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DesertSmeagle

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As far as i know, im an intp. But i have anxiety and depression issues. I have social anxiety which makes me scared to talk or be my true self at school, and i really dont know how id act in a school or college setting without this social anxiety. At home im obnoxious weird and energetic, and confident. at school im a different person. My voice changes and has this nervous tone, i never argue and i just dont talk. i keep to myslelf and sit in the back of the room hoping noone talks to me....... My main concern here is how do mental conditions effect personality type. If i didnt have social anxiety id probably be an entp. but i couldnt know for sure. Am i an intp because i have social anxiety? I know intps arent social but i avoid social situations all the time. i might even have avoidant personality disorder or selective mutism. I just wana know if theres any way to tell personality without the whole anxiety filter..Been thinking about it lately and im sick of living like this.. If i didnt have this anxiety, id be an entp most likely, or just a really intesting intp. Id literally accomplish so many different things, but the anxiety literally restricts me from doing social things, like joking around at school. I wish so bad i could share my sense of humor with everyone, ive seen what an intp can be without anxiety, one of my only firnds from HS was i think an extroverted intp haha, and everone liked him and he was hilarious with his clever and witty sense of humor...so...anyone know anything about social anxiety and all this bullshit? or how do reduce it? id really like to open up and bbe myself for college.
 

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What really helped was having good friends who accepted me for me. That strengthened my confidence and I was able to be my full self in public: goofy, introspective and smart all at the same time. Other than that, idk you could grab life by the balls and just be yourself by yourself, lol. Try not to worry too much about what others will think of you. Invest in some dark shades or headphones to keep your psychological distance from everyone else.
 

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Yes. Just being yourself for yourself is a good way not only to gain confidence, it also allows you to find people you relate to. Some people may make fun of you, but then just make fun right back. You're wittier than they are, anyhow.
 

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I think anxiety is one of the toughest things to conquer. Harder than depression even, because it lies deeper in the consciousness so to speak. I myself am working on it.
 

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Yes. Just being yourself for yourself is a good way not only to gain confidence, it also allows you to find people you relate to. Some people may make fun of you, but then just make fun right back. You're wittier than they are, anyhow.
Thats what im worried about. Noone has ever made fun of me that i know of besides my own family, but ive been that timid shy kid for about 6 years now, and im worried that people will start to make fun of me if im myself. Im a different person when im myself. Its like i think people will be completely shocked when they see who i really am, and im scared that they will reject me...hmm i think about this alot, im trying exposure therapy. And weird enough ive started with online video games haha. I got a headset and i can now talk to people online with no anxiety. Im probably the worlds greatest shit talker online. Ive pissed some people off haha.i guess the next step is webcams haha.. i dont know.
 

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As far as i know, im an intp. But i have anxiety and depression issues. I have social anxiety which makes me scared to talk or be my true self at school, and i really dont know how id act in a school or college setting without this social anxiety. At home im obnoxious weird and energetic, and confident. at school im a different person. My voice changes and has this nervous tone, i never argue and i just dont talk. i keep to myslelf and sit in the back of the room hoping noone talks to me....... My main concern here is how do mental conditions effect personality type. If i didnt have social anxiety id probably be an entp. but i couldnt know for sure. Am i an intp because i have social anxiety? I know intps arent social but i avoid social situations all the time. i might even have avoidant personality disorder or selective mutism. I just wana know if theres any way to tell personality without the whole anxiety filter..Been thinking about it lately and im sick of living like this.. If i didnt have this anxiety, id be an entp most likely, or just a really intesting intp. Id literally accomplish so many different things, but the anxiety literally restricts me from doing social things, like joking around at school. I wish so bad i could share my sense of humor with everyone, ive seen what an intp can be without anxiety, one of my only firnds from HS was i think an extroverted intp haha, and everone liked him and he was hilarious with his clever and witty sense of humor...so...anyone know anything about social anxiety and all this bullshit? or how do reduce it? id really like to open up and bbe myself for college.

No, INTP isn't defined by social anxiety. I used to think that was a big part of it, but it doesn't have to be. I've always been really introverted, and still am. Though until about a year ago, I had social anxiety to varying degrees. There have been times that I was so afraid of talking on the phone that it resulted in an emotional breakdown. I would almost never hang out with what few friends I had because I was too scared of all the what-ifs. A couple years ago when I was trying to get a job, I was scared stiff of going in to talk to all those managers about jobs. I would stand at least 15 minutes in front of a given business, inwardly debating whether or not to go in and ask about jobs. It was agony. I'm pretty sure I know what social anxiety is.

How did I get over it? There were a ton of different factors, and it was a gradual process. Here is a list of things that helped me.

- The few people who did know me well gave me a sense of how others perceive me, and what talents and assets I can share with others, such as my wit, my knowledge, my charming Ne front, among other things. Assess yourself and your strengths and weaknesses until you automatically can think of the things you have to offer the world, and the people you want to talk to, if you could only get over your fear. At least for me, much of my anxiety was that I didn't think I had much to offer others, and didn't see the point in talking if that was the case.

- I got a job that allows me to be introverted...most of the time. I help out at my dad's dental practice. It's very introvert friendly in that I only have 3 coworkers and 2 bosses (which happen to be Mom and Dad), I'm not required to talk to the patients for the most part, and many of my duties are solitary in nature. Either I'm cleaning, doing data entry, or assisting with some procedure or other where the patient can't talk to me. However, when one of the people at the front desk have to take a break, I am often the one answering the phone. Initially, I was really nervous about this. I would stumble over my words when I answered the phone. But after reminded myself to stop caring so much, all I had to do was memorize a couple lines, listen to whatever was being said, and take a message. It was fine as soon as I could make myself stop thinking about it. Trust me, it is possible to stop thinking for stuff like this.

Anyway, the fact that I get stretched out of my comfort zone gradually helped me get over my anxiety. Now I'm just fine answering phones. I still don't like it, but I am no longer afraid.

- College. I lost much of my personal bubble by having 5 other roommates. It was awkward the first couple days, but it worked out. What was especially helpful was that my extroverted roommate would take me with her when she went to hang out with friends. Some of those friends became my friends. Another thing that helps is making a point to ask questions in class. You will remember more, and it's practice for just making talking feel natural. It seems that with social anxiety, it takes extra effort to open your mouth to say anything in the first place.

- discover the potential of Ne. When I had social anxiety, I thought that Ne was purely for making mental connections. But it can also be a powerful tool when used in a social context. Ne can be used to quickly bounce off of the things other people are saying. As a result, much of what I say in a given conversation begins with "speaking of which...". Also, keep track of whose comments you are bouncing off of the most. These are typically potential friends. When I use these Ne tactics, people even go as far as saying that I'm charming and witty. This is a great front to start out with, while still totally being yourself.

- persuade yourself to get out. Even getting out to do something by yourself helps. Getting out the door seems to be the hardest step sometimes.

- Don't try to get out of this via logic. While logic makes it easy to see that there's little to lose by talking to someone, that same "rationality" can morph to fuel social anxiety. Much of what fueled my anxiety was flawed "circular logic". In fact, it's only easier if you stop thinking for a while.
 

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Wish I would have been like you ten years ago though, brah. I'm weird in that I've never not had friends or social opportunities, its just that I've never been happy with them or anything else for that matter, which disallows my ability to appreciate or be natural in them.

For some reason I am a perfectionist in many ways, even though I'm messy and have done nothing with my life. And I've been extraordinarily judgmental of myself and of others due to some awful things that scorched my consciousness. Mainly self induced, I suppose, but people were still abusive to me and I retreated into a hole of completely writing myself off as a human being worth anything. Pretty tough stuff considering 95% of people's opinion of me was positive.

If any people have had any particular problems with these types of issues I'd welcome feedback.
 

DesertSmeagle

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No, INTP isn't defined by social anxiety. I used to think that was a big part of it, but it doesn't have to be. I've always been really introverted, and still am. Though until about a year ago, I had social anxiety to varying degrees. There have been times that I was so afraid of talking on the phone that it resulted in an emotional breakdown. I would almost never hang out with what few friends I had because I was too scared of all the what-ifs. A couple years ago when I was trying to get a job, I was scared stiff of going in to talk to all those managers about jobs. I would stand at least 15 minutes in front of a given business, inwardly debating whether or not to go in and ask about jobs. It was agony. I'm pretty sure I know what social anxiety is.

How did I get over it? There were a ton of different factors, and it was a gradual process. Here is a list of things that helped me.

- The few people who did know me well gave me a sense of how others perceive me, and what talents and assets I can share with others, such as my wit, my knowledge, my charming Ne front, among other things. Assess yourself and your strengths and weaknesses until you automatically can think of the things you have to offer the world, and the people you want to talk to, if you could only get over your fear. At least for me, much of my anxiety was that I didn't think I had much to offer others, and didn't see the point in talking if that was the case.

- I got a job that allows me to be introverted...most of the time. I help out at my dad's dental practice. It's very introvert friendly in that I only have 3 coworkers and 2 bosses (which happen to be Mom and Dad), I'm not required to talk to the patients for the most part, and many of my duties are solitary in nature. Either I'm cleaning, doing data entry, or assisting with some procedure or other where the patient can't talk to me. However, when one of the people at the front desk have to take a break, I am often the one answering the phone. Initially, I was really nervous about this. I would stumble over my words when I answered the phone. But after reminded myself to stop caring so much, all I had to do was memorize a couple lines, listen to whatever was being said, and take a message. It was fine as soon as I could make myself stop thinking about it. Trust me, it is possible to stop thinking for stuff like this.

Anyway, the fact that I get stretched out of my comfort zone gradually helped me get over my anxiety. Now I'm just fine answering phones. I still don't like it, but I am no longer afraid.

- College. I lost much of my personal bubble by having 5 other roommates. It was awkward the first couple days, but it worked out. What was especially helpful was that my extroverted roommate would take me with her when she went to hang out with friends. Some of those friends became my friends. Another thing that helps is making a point to ask questions in class. You will remember more, and it's practice for just making talking feel natural. It seems that with social anxiety, it takes extra effort to open your mouth to say anything in the first place.

- discover the potential of Ne. When I had social anxiety, I thought that Ne was purely for making mental connections. But it can also be a powerful tool when used in a social context. Ne can be used to quickly bounce off of the things other people are saying. As a result, much of what I say in a given conversation begins with "speaking of which...". Also, keep track of whose comments you are bouncing off of the most. These are typically potential friends. When I use these Ne tactics, people even go as far as saying that I'm charming and witty. This is a great front to start out with, while still totally being yourself.

- persuade yourself to get out. Even getting out to do something by yourself helps. Getting out the door seems to be the hardest step sometimes.

- Don't try to get out of this via logic. While logic makes it easy to see that there's little to lose by talking to someone, that same "rationality" can morph to fuel social anxiety. Much of what fueled my anxiety was flawed "circular logic". In fact, it's only easier if you stop thinking for a while.
hmm cool. i can relate to this. Ive been thinking lately and i think im scared to make rely personal connections, becasue they would want me to do stuff with them...i dont know. its weird..ill definitly think about the Ne thing while im in a place with anxiety. thanks.
 

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Wish I would have been like you ten years ago though, brah. I'm weird in that I've never not had friends or social opportunities, its just that I've never been happy with them or anything else for that matter, which disallows my ability to appreciate or be natural in them.

For some reason I am a perfectionist in many ways, even though I'm messy and have done nothing with my life. And I've been extraordinarily judgmental of myself and of others due to some awful things that scorched my consciousness. Mainly self induced, I suppose, but people were still abusive to me and I retreated into a hole of completely writing myself off as a human being worth anything. Pretty tough stuff considering 95% of people's opinion of me was positive.

If any people have had any particular problems with these types of issues I'd welcome feedback.
I am in the exact same boat, my friend. I pray for both your and my solace, but I know that truthfully, I shall have no solace. The waters rage within me; the blaze destroys... never shall I know peace in my life, and I am utterly and completely sorry if that shall be true for you as well...
 

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Not thinking about it definitely helps. I challenge you to go one step further and stop caring. Ask yourself this: what is stopping you from doing.... anything really? The answer: YOU and YOU ALONE.

We are able to think in many different ways so, why should this be any different?

Could you get in your car and drive half way across the country on a whim? damn right you could. Could you go up to somebody and tell them just what you thought about them? damn right you could. Could you go rob a bank right this minute? damn right you could.

Of course some of that stuff you do out of respect of the law and more likely of "social ettiquite." When you can feel comfortable with your "awkward" self you won't be awkward anymore. Just tell it how you see it.

One day I decided that I was going to drive down to Florida (I live in Ohio) because I felt like it. It was an extremely liberating experience. I actually felt in control of some aspects of my life. (what else do I have control of?:confused:)

Another thing I used to do was deny anything that I felt would leave me exposed and vulnerable to "attack." I was quick to find that people generally aren't out looking for blood. If they do most likely it is jokingly. Or if it's malicious you just tell them to F-off and call it a day.

The most important piece of advice I could give is to trust yourself no matter how much pressure you feel. Don't let people bend you to their will: be a force that they can respect. This will win you REAL friends who you can be yourself around. If you fake it, while you may learn something, you will be wasting your time.

It's a long hard road out of hell.
 

DesertSmeagle

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I am in the exact same boat, my friend. I pray for both your and my solace, but I know that truthfully, I shall have no solace. The waters rage within me; the blaze destroys... never shall I know peace in my life, and I am utterly and completely sorry if that shall be true for you as well...
yup..thats pretty much how i feel. trapped in a cage of hoplessness.
 

DesertSmeagle

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Not thinking about it definitely helps. I challenge you to go one step further and stop caring. Ask yourself this: what is stopping you from doing.... anything really? The answer: YOU and YOU ALONE.

We are able to think in many different ways so, why should this be any different?

Could you get in your car and drive half way across the country on a whim? damn right you could. Could you go up to somebody and tell them just what you thought about them? damn right you could. Could you go rob a bank right this minute? damn right you could.

Of course some of that stuff you do out of respect of the law and more likely of "social ettiquite." When you can feel comfortable with your "awkward" self you won't be awkward anymore. Just tell it how you see it.

One day I decided that I was going to drive down to Florida (I live in Ohio) because I felt like it. It was an extremely liberating experience. I actually felt in control of some aspects of my life. (what else do I have control of?:confused:)

Another thing I used to do was deny anything that I felt would leave me exposed and vulnerable to "attack." I was quick to find that people generally aren't out looking for blood. If they do most likely it is jokingly. Or if it's malicious you just tell them to F-off and call it a day.

The most important piece of advice I could give is to trust yourself no matter how much pressure you feel. Don't let people bend you to their will: be a force that they can respect. This will win you REAL friends who you can be yourself around. If you fake it, while you may learn something, you will be wasting your time.

It's a long hard road out of hell.
Thats good shit right there. Ya. thats my ultimate goal, to not care what people think. I knew this kid last year in highschool, and he was the funniest kid i ever met, but it seemed he didnt care what people thought about him at all. he was completely obnoxious and everyone loved him for it..i think im getting somewhere..ive been in philosiphizer mode for the past few days, and i think that im finally going in the right direction..and if u think about it its really funny. the only thing holding me back from my goal is myself..its like i am my own worst enemy....shit.
 

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I'd take Ermine's advice, I can't add much to it. Sometimes stepping out of one's boundaries can be embarassing [and believe me a large part of my life is defined by shame] the important thing is that you do gradually grow from it until it is no longer embarassing and just natural. A year working on the phones as a sales/ service provider did it for me, eurghh hell, will not repeat but it brought a lot of change.
 

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Puffy that is one way you could do things. It really depends on the current situation of your life. It very well could be that you, Smeagle, would find that a gradual change is more comfortable for you. But, if a drastic change presents itself, why not follow suit?

I am also a college student. A couple of years ago I got a chance to go to a place where I would get a fresh start (and be ready for it!). I got an intern job. I was nervous before going there but, then I decided you know what I'm going to try to do this differently. I decided to "unleash" my trueself on people from the start. I was very happy with that choice. People responded much more pleasantly than I expected. My fellow interns were actually "fighting" to hang out with me. It was an interesting experience.

It is a damning thing that you are your own worst enemy isn't it? I totally understand.
 

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Puffy that is one way you could do things. It really depends on the current situation of your life. It very well could be that you, Smeagle, would find that a gradual change is more comfortable for you. But, if a drastic change presents itself, why not follow suit?

I am also a college student. A couple of years ago I got a chance to go to a place where I would get a fresh start (and be ready for it!). I got an intern job. I was nervous before going there but, then I decided you know what I'm going to try to do this differently. I decided to "unleash" my trueself on people from the start. I was very happy with that choice. People responded much more pleasantly than I expected. My fellow interns were actually "fighting" to hang out with me. It was an interesting experience.

It is a damning thing that you are your own worst enemy isn't it? I totally understand.
i think i mite try that. just to see what happens..if i do that, that will get rid of my problem i know it..thats the wall i hav to get over. Thats what im scared of, if i be myself people will reject me.
 

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On the contrary, unless you're being offensive, what you will witness is like-minded people being attracted to you, in the most general sense. It takes awhile to get used to being outgoing, but it's not really that hard and the more you do it the easier it gets. Plus we have the added bonus of being the least likely to incite negative attitudes, when at our best we're irresistibly lovable :D.
 

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Not thinking about it definitely helps. I challenge you to go one step further and stop caring. Ask yourself this: what is stopping you from doing.... anything really? The answer: YOU and YOU ALONE.

We are able to think in many different ways so, why should this be any different?

Could you get in your car and drive half way across the country on a whim? damn right you could. Could you go up to somebody and tell them just what you thought about them? damn right you could. Could you go rob a bank right this minute? damn right you could.

Of course some of that stuff you do out of respect of the law and more likely of "social ettiquite." When you can feel comfortable with your "awkward" self you won't be awkward anymore. Just tell it how you see it.

One day I decided that I was going to drive down to Florida (I live in Ohio) because I felt like it. It was an extremely liberating experience. I actually felt in control of some aspects of my life. (what else do I have control of?:confused:)

Another thing I used to do was deny anything that I felt would leave me exposed and vulnerable to "attack." I was quick to find that people generally aren't out looking for blood. If they do most likely it is jokingly. Or if it's malicious you just tell them to F-off and call it a day.

The most important piece of advice I could give is to trust yourself no matter how much pressure you feel. Don't let people bend you to their will: be a force that they can respect. This will win you REAL friends who you can be yourself around. If you fake it, while you may learn something, you will be wasting your time.

It's a long hard road out of hell.

I hear you, brother. I'm still on that road.

It's nice to know that someone relates or has related to my personal experiences. I feel ashamed of showing feelings or opinions - like if I show I like something, or something makes me happy, that people around me will laugh that anything as low and pathetic as me could ever let itself be happy or think that it deserves happiness. This has made me a very bitter and cynical person.

I am coming out of it but it isn't easy. I can relate to you on things like finally picking up and doing things. On a whim, I decided to move out to Denver from Wisconsin about a year ago. One boring Friday night in late May this year, I had the weekend off and was going to rent a video game. I had been planning on going to Utah for the weekend and camping by myself, but it was a 6+ hour drive, not to mention it was starting to snow out. At some point a voice simply told me, "do it anyway." And I did, and it turned out to be a very pleasurable experience that boosted my idea of myself.

Even in daily conversation now, though, I still always feel like I am being judged. Every word, every motion, I see people watching and judging me like a hawk. That is how one of my friends was and he always ripped me apart, and it really put that in me. Of course there was probably a more important natural predisposition to that "I'm worthless" idea that llet him have that affect on me as well. And I need to be ****ing free.
 

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Even in daily conversation now, though, I still always feel like I am being judged. Every word, every motion, I see people watching and judging me like a hawk. That is how one of my friends was and he always ripped me apart, and it really put that in me. Of course there was probably a more important natural predisposition to that "I'm worthless" idea that llet him have that affect on me as well. And I need to be ****ing free.

Same exact thing here man, this was basically my high school life in short. My unassuming, unimposing nature attracted negative comments from people who were jealous/insecure. I just let those be forgotten, but the ones that stuck were the ones that came from my close friend. Due to me not having a care for popularity, prestige, or upfront importance he always took that as me being worthless and a failure. I may not have have shown my feelings on the front, but I was definitely taken aback in my mind. It made me doubt myself even though clearly I was making my mark in the school as one of the few intellectuals, though having bad grades near the end of graduation really did not help my self-esteem. Later I realized it was because he was under stress and he saw me as an easy target, I forgave him(and graduated), but still the negative criticism really got to me.
 
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