Men of today | Male influencers

[BurnedOut]

What's happened to younger men and teens? Why are all these young hunks running behind jokers like Melon Tusk, Andrew Tits, Jordan Pityson and people of their ilk? And then there's this *sigma* male culture I cannot get enough laughter out of. My cousins and so many people have fallen prey to all this. On top of that YouTube India is full of failed college graduates who influence try to act as 'mentors'. It is cringe on top of cringe and it's so damn funny. Especially when all these youtubers do it.

Some of the popular creators makes me wanna punch them like KSI, Paul Mr Bitch the moment they open their mouth. It's as if they end up shitting their neurons away every morning while going to the water closet. The whole male culture online is absolutely trash and garbage and today's men sound and seem like caricatures worse than looney tune portayals.

Don't even get me started about influencers getting into rapping, every third-rate motherfucker releases some corny rap track, attempts to sell merch, etc.

There are some things I consider actually masculine and in a healthy way - like fucking sports or playing music or traveling. Not fucking editing pics and putting them and going on tirades against minorities and sucking cocks of youtubers who sit in front of their screens wanking to their own image.

Honorary mention - penguinz0 - one of the biggest manchild I have seen in the name of masculinity.

 

[dr froyd]

what are the good alternatives for male role models? There are none - men just got tired of living without masculine values and listening to cultural marxists about how we all must grow breasts and treat our maleness as a disease

 

[Cognisant]

what are the good alternatives for male role models? There are none - men just got tired of living without masculine values and listening to cultural marxists about how we all must grow breasts and treat our maleness as a disease

Nailed it.

There are some things I consider actually masculine and in a healthy way - like fucking sports or playing music or traveling.

These things are no longer encouraged, I remember when certain sports stars were household names, olympic athletes in particular, and there were independent male musicians that I liked.

I just looked up Big Yellow Taxi by Counting Crows, the first video I clicked on was a cover by a female artist, the second (the official video) is called "Counting Crows - Big Yellow Taxi ft. Vanessa Carlton" and I don't know the name of the guy singing but they made sure I know the name of the woman who goes lalala along with him in a few parts.

My feeling is that men are demoralized because we live in a world where we're constantly told to sit down, shut up and make room for women and we shouldn't strive to succeed because we will get in a woman's way. So nobody wants to try, nobody wants to famous or successful, nobody wants to be a role model because we see our role models being torn down and scandalized all the time.

3rd wave feminism has succeeded, men have been subjugated, we don't want relationships anymore because they're not worth it, we don't want to get married anymore because it's too risky, we don't want to draw any attention to ourselves, we just want to be left alone with our hobbies and our spaces and just... be.

But we can't even have that, "the message" has to be injected into EVERYTHING and we have to be CONSTANTLY derided for not being everything women want, or if we are we're a problem because we have standards.

It's the matriarchy.

What's happened to younger men and teens? Why are all these young hunks running behind jokers like Melon Tusk, Andrew Tits, Jordan Pityson and people of their ilk? And then there's this *sigma* male culture I cannot get enough laughter out of. My cousins and so many people have fallen prey to all this. On top of that YouTube India is full of failed college graduates who influence try to act as 'mentors'.

Because there's a market for it, young men are confused and resentful because they don't know what they're supposed to be, only that everything they do is wrong, and when you do that to someone eventually they decide the solution is to stop caring about what you think.

It is cringe on top of cringe and it's so damn funny. Especially when all these youtubers do it.

This is exactly it, this is the attitude they're reacting to, you don't want to understand you only want to deride and that's why I don't give a shit about what you think.

Take your attitude, shove it up your ass and shut the hell up.

 

[Puffy]

I mean yes anyone following advice on masculinity from KSI, Logan Paul or Mr Beast is a tool lol.

I get why the voices OP references exist though a lot of men feel lost and are in need of a father mentor figure to help them step into themselves.

My counter-proposal though is that I'd suggest finding a mentor in real life. Could be a friend or someone you look up to at work. I don't think people can learn this stuff just off of videos on YouTube.

 

[BurnedOut]

My counter-proposal though is that I'd suggest finding a mentor in real life. Could be a friend or someone you look up to at work. I don't think people can learn this stuff just off of videos on YouTube.

This is exactly what I am trying to say. That parasocialism has reached astounding heights. I have seen everybody around trying to actively conform to the social media standards unconsciously. Old people keep bitching about the youth never listening, it's kinda true, i consistently see a huge divide a between Gen Y and Gen Z which is a new phenomenon vis-à-vis Gen X and Gen Y wherein the relationship was relatively harmonious

 

[Cognisant]

Emasculated and demoralized.

 

[ZenRaiden]

I feel like the motivation is we provide less meaningful structure for kids, and then males and females grow up in a rather fast paced world, where things arent always what they supposed to be. So people naturally want to find some semblance of structure where they can find it.

I think all the names you mentioned are people who provide answers for uncertainty.
Lots of males, me included, suffer a lot by uncertainty.

Its not so much masculine behavior that these people fix, its more so they fix neurotic anxiety and insecurity type of attitudes in male.

Essentially the same can be said of females.

I mean how many good female role models are there.

People just need reinforcement where they here "You can do it!"
Often times that is missing in life. So people become neurotic, despondent and give up even when they are otherwise doing things well.

The other problem is that internet culture is replacing lived experience and real culture.
Terminally online people who interact very little with real humans will the brainwashed by internet relatively quickly.

Its always important to have real life anchors. Not base reality on internet.
Because internet is perceptual prison.
It does not match reality.

 

[scorpiomover]

What's happened to younger men and teens? Why are all these young hunks running behind jokers like Melon Tusk, Andrew Tits, Jordan Pityson and people of their ilk?

Bizarrely, this is all to do with MBTI. Jung identified introversion/extroversion. Biologically, we have TWO nervous systems in our spinal cord: one for the Sympathetic Nervous System, the part that deals with hunger, being horny, and potential threats. This part handles most desires. It's also called the "id".

The other is your Parasympathetic Nervous System, which deals with when you are at rest, but also generates acetylcholine, which is your main neurotransmitter that produces inhibition. This part is your inhibitor, your conscience, the part that stops you from doing dangerous things, your "superego", if you will.

Let's say you are in a pool and you are cold. You want to get out. You pull yourself out of the pool. But if you would land right into a pile of cut glass that's right in front of the pool, your PNS stops you. Then you move to a different part of the pol where there's no glass and get out.

The PNS only works, if, when it does need to inhibit you, there's another way for your SNS to accomplish its tasks.
If, however, if the SNS and the PNS are in direct conflict, meaning, that you can either follow your desires, OR your conscience/desire for self-protection, but not both, then the brain has no choice but to choose: either ignore the SNS and ignore your basic human needs, or ignore the PNS and consequently ignore any sense of morality and self-protection.

So, when it comes to dating, if people keep being told that "can't do that", "mustn't do that", etc, but are never told how to date, then your SNS and PNS are in conflict, without any way to resolve the deadlock, except for picking either one, and ignoring the other.

Those people whose brains follow their PNS and ignore their SNS, follow their morality and their sense of self-preservation, but suppress their biological desire for sex and having kids.

Those people whose brains follow their PNS and ignore their SNS, follow their biological desire for sex and having kids, but suppress their morality and their sense of self-preservation.

And then there's this *sigma* male culture I cannot get enough laughter out of. My cousins and so many people have fallen prey to all this. On top of that YouTube India is full of failed college graduates who influence try to act as 'mentors'. It is cringe on top of cringe and it's so damn funny. Especially when all these youtubers do it.

These days, there's a lot of competition for the top jobs from 1.4 billion Chinese and 1.5 billion Indians. OTOH, social influencers who have a lot of followers and advertise a lot of products, are supposed to make 6-figure salaries, just by making videos on their phone and uploading them to Youtube. It's just another way of trying to make a living.

Some of the popular creators makes me wanna punch them like KSI, Paul Mr Bitch the moment they open their mouth. It's as if they end up shitting their neurons away every morning while going to the water closet.

A efw decades ago, advertising companies supplied grants to psychology departments to investigate how best to get people to notice you, and were told that people pay more attention to things that annoy you. So that's what those social influencers do, to get higher numbers.

The whole male culture online is absolutely trash and garbage and today's men sound and seem like caricatures worse than looney tune portayals.

That's because in WW1, people who wanted to improve society realised that men do most of the killing, not the women. So they theorised that if you could make the men impotent from actually doing anything, they'd never be capable of waging a war, and so all wars would end, and peace would reign on Earth.

There are some things I consider actually masculine and in a healthy way - like fucking sports or playing music or traveling.

Yes. But people like that get things DONE. They're CAPABLE people. They can fight and kill people in WARS. They're DANGEROUS.

Not fucking editing pics and putting them and going on tirades against minorities and sucking cocks of youtubers who sit in front of their screens wanking to their own image.

They're not dangerous. If Russia invaded their country today, they'd not be able to fight back. Even in the Ukraine war, @ZenRaiden already pointed out how most of the young men don't even want to fight.

The ones who are gung-ho to take on Putin's forces, are the far-right ultra-nationalists who want to establish a new Nazi state in Eastern Europe, and they're the DANGEROUS ones.

 

[Old Things]

Men NEED masculine role models. It's literally backed into the male psyche. Men do sometimes think they are deficient, so they look for super macho guys like Andrew Tate to compensate.

Peterson is a great example of a male role model. He is tough enough to speak his mind but sensitive enough to cry. Males today don't need less of that; they need more of that. They need fathers like that. Fathers who are courageous and do the work but also have a sensitive side. I think of people like the guy running Warrior Poets. The guy who runs it is an ex-Navy Seal. If anyone is tough, it's him. Yet he also has a sensitive side to him as well. I am in this program called "Gardener and Warrior." It is all about how to cultivate good habits. Men need something like that. They need an excuse to be a man.

 

[fluffy]

Yin is submlimating, it absorbs and directs.

Yang is expanditory, expends and pushes out.

Usually denoted as female (yin) and male (yang) they work together.

Males want to make as much energy as possible archetypelly, so they like lots of action. Seeing people who do stuff at fast pace is fun to them. Females like slow and involved things where you need to be gentle.

To gain influence you need to "sell" a product and that product is self promotion. Are you an interesting person. Do you do interesting things. This of course will tip more in the direction of a yin or yang character. But this happens in both genders. So some guys can be into soft activities and some girls can be into hard activities.

A role model is going to be the person you believe is best for the energy you are drawn too. It will be a preference. Non the less guy influencers will try to do as much action as possible in videos. Making them look interesting to a demographic of young people.