MBTI (stereo)types and music

[Reluctantly]

What would you say?

 

[snafupants]

That's super vague. Do you mean which genres an INTP would like, or which genres encapsulate what INTP means? If the latter, I might say existentially somber Joy Division.

 

[Reluctantly]

That's super vague. Do you mean which genres an INTP would like, or which genres encapsulate what INTP means? If the latter, I might say existentially somber Joy Division.

Hi, kitty.
*pets kitty*

All of them. But not just INTP. I figured if people have an idea of what types are they probably also have ideas about how music relates to them. I hope people won't be shy, since I tend to be critical of using MBTI to over-rationalize people and themselves; but this is different, since it's strictly theoretical and no one is compartmentalizing anyone else. Just ideas of what relates what and why. It could be fun/interesting.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I've noticed trends but it's not definitive. I think if some more dimensions were added, cultural environment, personal background, and age(and generation), there might be a stronger correlation.

And it wouldn't just be a question of 'which genres' but 'why' and 'how'. For example, the specific genres I listen to don't matter much when I have an eclectic music taste. And what might be considered unusual for younger generations today could have been the popular music several decades earlier.

 

[Reluctantly]

I've noticed trends but it's not definitive. I think if some more dimensions were added, cultural environment, personal background, and age(and generation), there might be a stronger correlation.

Do you mean you typed people and extrapolated trends from that? Or do you mean you applied the theory and interpreted trends? Both?

And it wouldn't just be a question of 'which genres' but 'why' and 'how'. For example, the specific genres I listen to don't matter much when I have an eclectic music taste. And what might be considered unusual for younger generations today could have been the popular music several decades earlier.

Why and how, that sounds good. I think that would make this interesting. I don't quite understand the generation thing, personally; I can find music from any generation that I like. I think sometimes people get too hung up on the stuff they don't like and assume that's representative of all the music of that generation. It's too bad. Maybe I'm biased, but I've found that the prominent music in any generation tends to be about popularity, rather than talent and creativity anyway. So it goes, I guess.

 

[Duxwing]

I listen to sea shanties, epic music, songs that elicit fond memories of my past (e.g., "Gravity Hurts," by Cryoshell and "Caught Up In A Dream," by All Insane Kids because I liked Bionicle; the Redwall theme because I loved the Redwall series), and songs that inspire me to create my future (e.g., "Glorious Dawn," by Symphony of Science).

-Duxwing

 

[Nezaros]

INTP's don't listen to music, we just listen to our rhythms of our brainwaves.

 

[The Gopher]

I came in here to sigh at the pun *sigh*

 

[Reluctantly]

INTP's don't listen to music, we just listen to our rhythms of our brainwaves.

I think there's a new firmware for your model that will fix this problem in perception.

I listen to sea shanties, epic music, songs that elicit fond memories of my past (e.g., "Gravity Hurts," by Cryoshell and "Caught Up In A Dream," by All Insane Kids because I liked Bionicle; the Redwall theme because I loved the Redwall series), and songs that inspire me to create my future (e.g., "Glorious Dawn," by Symphony of Science).

-Duxwing

Thank you.

 

[QuickTwist]

I think if an INTP likes music they would be drawn more to music that makes them think, preferably deeply, than to music that provokes and emotional responce. The thinking is primary, the feeling is secondary.

I like Melodic-Metalcore and Post-Hardcore mostly for the complexities of rhythm coupled with a flowing sound and aggressive style that is very attractive to me. Typically I am drawn to music that is aggressive and has enough complexity to keep me listening to it so that I can get different things out of the music rather than always hearing the same rhythms over and over again. I like all kinds of music but my passion lies in the harder stuff.

To me, lyrics are secondary and I think you can get just as much out of what the song is about by listening from a stricktly musical standpoint (take the great composers of all time into consideration here). My S functions are low so I have trouble making out what the lyrics are. I still have to agree with the message of the song for me to like it alot though.

Examples:

http://youtu.be/LQSOcuZR4Jc (Melodic-Metalcore)

http://youtu.be/t0tPH56wrXw (Post-Hardcore)

 

[Architect]

INTP's, due to Si largely, have a melancholic streak and combined with Ti/Ne often prefer complex melancholic music such as by Rachmaninov, Chopin, or various modern composers.

Most modern pop is oriented to the more common types such as XSXX

 

[Solitaire U.]

I remember back in the early days of INTPCentral, the big musical stereotype was something along the lines of:

"If you don't love TOOL, you aren't an INTP".

 

[Back2Basics]

I remember back in the early days of INTPCentral, the big musical stereotype was something along the lines of:

"If you don't love TOOL, you aren't an INTP".

So if you love TOOL, you must be an INTP

 

[Heisenberg]

I like Melodic-Metalcore and Post-Hardcore mostly for the complexities of rhythm coupled with a flowing sound and aggressive style that is very attractive to me. Typically I am drawn to music that is aggressive and has enough complexity to keep me listening to it so that I can get different things out of the music rather than always hearing the same rhythms over and over again. I like all kinds of music but my passion lies in the harder stuff.

I agree completely. Any artists in particular you recommend? I'm bored and need new music.

 

[The Introvert]

INTP's, due to Si largely, have a melancholic streak and combined with Ti/Ne often prefer complex melancholic music such as by Rachmaninov, Chopin, or various modern composers.

Most modern pop is oriented to the more common types such as XSXX

@Architect
This makes me doubt my current typing (INTJ)

Chopin is by far my favorite composer (specifically his Nocturnes), but I (think) I have none of the same primary functions as INTPs.

Obviously, there's more to it than that, but coupled with the ambiguity of my typing (facilitated by a certain habitat doctor), it leaves me pondering the extent of my J-ness.

In addition, I can't stand modern pop and enjoy similarly melancholic music, as you stated.

Interesting.

Could the complete reversal of functions cause a similar taste, or no?
You seem to know much more about the functions than I.

 

[Architect]

Architect
This makes me doubt my current typing (INTJ)

Chopin is by far my favorite composer (specifically his Nocturnes), but I (think) I have none of the same primary functions as INTPs.

Obviously, there's more to it than that, but coupled with the ambiguity of my typing (facilitated by a certain habitat doctor), it leaves me pondering the extent of my J-ness.

In addition, I can't stand modern pop and enjoy similarly melancholic music, as you stated.

Interesting.

Could the complete reversal of functions cause a similar taste, or no?
You seem to know much more about the functions than I.

@The Introvert

Your taste in music doesn't predict your type. Correlation is not causation. But correlation does exist for types. As I said INTP's often like complex, melancholic music, but whether you do or not will not tell you if you are one.

You need to compare the top two functions for INTP's and INTJ's

INTP - Ti & Ne
INTJ - Ni & Te

So, a nice differentiation, it would be harder if they were merely in a different order with respect to each other.

INTP's predominately think, and secondarily explore, and those explorations take place in the external world.

INTJ's primarily look at internal, personal possibilities, and importantly they do their thinking out loud, in a sense.

A giveaway between Ti and Te is how the person does with institutional settings. Te INTJ's tend to do well in academia and corporate environments, while the Ti INTP prefers to be off in the corner thinking about something useless like General Relativity.

 

[The Introvert]

Your taste in music doesn't predict your type. Correlation is not causation. But correlation does exist for types. As I said INTP's often like complex, melancholic music, but whether you do or not will not tell you if you are one.

Ah, yes, I know this. I guess I should have added that it was more or less another example of something that I think fits for me being an INTP.

I wasn't trying to say: "I like melancholic music, therefore I must be INTP". I need to get this whole 'explaining' thing down

You need to compare the top two functions for INTP's and INTJ's

INTP - Ti & Ne
INTJ - Ni & Te

So, a nice differentiation, it would be harder if they were merely in a different order with respect to each other.

INTP's predominately think, and secondarily explore, and those explorations take place in the external world.

INTJ's primarily look at internal, personal possibilities, and importantly they do their thinking out loud, in a sense.

A giveaway between Ti and Te is how the person does with institutional settings. Te INTJ's tend to do well in academia and corporate environments, while the Ti INTP prefers to be off in the corner thinking about something useless like General Relativity.

@Architect

The difficult thing for me is that I don't think I have a preference, or tendency, for either. For me, it's all about setting. If I'm interested in a class, then I will focus intently on the professor, take minimal notes, and do well in the class. If I'm not interested in a class, then I will take a lot of notes (trying to keep myself interested) but inevitably end up missing most of what the professor says because I'm thinking about something else.

I know this can be explained through interest vs. non interest, but I think it's deeper than that. I force myself to sit in the front and take notes, not because I want to, but because I know that if I don't my attention will be divided. I will end up thinking about something that interests me.

One day I'm a great student; the next day, I don't go to any classes and play video games all day.

On a side note, I have attempted to type myself based on Jungian functions alone (ie looking strictly at functions and ordering them in succession). I invevitably come up with a grouping that is not possible in MBTI - say, Ni,Te,Fe,Si.

I don't know if this is a fault in my own diagnosis of functions, my lack of knowledge of functions, or a fault of the system.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Do you mean you typed people and extrapolated trends from that? Or do you mean you applied the theory and interpreted trends? Both?

Why and how, that sounds good. I think that would make this interesting.

I mean I got to know their personalities first, then found out about the music they listen to, which was somewhat similar. Some were before I discovered typology, and others were after(which includes more bias/assumptions).

Though, something I didn't think about until now is that there is a bias toward people who actually have a taste. What about those who don't place much of a focus on music in their lives? Is that relevant? Also, if you go by specific genres, well a lot of people just listen to radio, or what they grew up with; is that type relevant? How and why different types approach music would definitely be something to look at.

I don't quite understand the generation thing, personally; I can find music from any generation that I like. I think sometimes people get too hung up on the stuff they don't like and assume that's representative of all the music of that generation. It's too bad. Maybe I'm biased, but I've found that the prominent music in any generation tends to be about popularity, rather than talent and creativity anyway. So it goes, I guess.

Noting a person's respective generation/age would be important because "what might be considered unusual for younger generations today could have been the popular music several decades earlier." Therefore, for the 60s/70s generation, liking Led Zeppelin, Jefferson Airplane, psychedelic rock, garage rock, surf rock etc doesn't mean much relative to someone born in the 90s/2000s who discovers and enjoys those kinds of music.

 

[Architect]

The difficult thing for me is that I don't think I have a preference, or tendency, for either. For me, it's all about setting. If I'm interested in a class, then I will focus intently on the professor, take minimal notes, and do well in the class. If I'm not interested in a class, then I will take a lot of notes (trying to keep myself interested) but inevitably end up missing most of what the professor says because I'm thinking about something else..
...

Not sure what to say about that, it doesn't seem to be something typologically driven, except in a small sense that INTP's motivation tend to be driving more by their interests, rather than by agenda (that an SJ or INTJ would tend to adhere to)

On a side note, I have attempted to type myself based on Jungian functions alone (ie looking strictly at functions and ordering them in succession). I invevitably come up with a grouping that is not possible in MBTI - say, Ni,Te,Fe,Si.

That's actually the Functional Stack for the INTJ

 

[The Introvert]

That's actually the Functional Stack for the INTJ

Really

I'll just stop, then. I'll accept my typing as INTJ


Is it an alternate stacking?

 

[Sorlaize]

a major component of *how* I listen to music is actually something deeply psychological.. I mix projection skills, imagination, and feeling together. I can create "movie trailers" to good music which I've read online someone else does .. apart from that I don't know anyone that gets into music the particular way I do. I think it's very unique.. I don't force myself to behave socially normal when I listen to music or when I do any private stuff. Which is all the time. And so this stuff influences my music taste because it's what I can enjoy most.


well anyway I feel like listing my favourite music. so here goes. this is how broad it is.

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfpyNs9-up4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nutzDtjnMNg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c49klxPex-k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XHe6dSngt0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zUpsmruFGY

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDUOtptPMiw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3fZd5qZje0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_njQiMSPW8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq-nUtv-TTg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V07wd8i42HA

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0O3UBog9_c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fok-XlrUjWY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVvbETAYVeQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG79bqokJCs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23-vAO53ySk

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaV3UnIF6ns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8B5HNCd1vQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W0UL40O-AQ