MBTI & Gender Stereotypes

[EmergingAlbert]

I remember reading somewhere online (I can't remember where) that the INTP personality is closest to the male stereotype. After I thought about it for a while, I don't think that's true, especially since INTP is such a rare personality. I think ISTP is the male stereotype. Here's my line of thought:

Men are typically stereotyped as introverts, although this is scientifically false. Research has shown that men are more extraverted than women. However, from my observations, the stereotype is to the contrary. I also think men are stereotyped to be more sensing than intuitive. Men are stereotyped to be more in the moment and less focused on creativity. Men are definitely stereotyped to be more thinking than feeling (which I think is actually generally accurate), more focused on facts than feelings. Finally, I think men are stereotyped to be sloppy and careless, which is more of a perceiving characteristic than a judging one.

Does everyone agree with this? If not, let me know. Also, what of the female stereotype? I would say ENFJ, following the same logic as the previous paragraph, since women are stereotyped opposite from men.

 

[xbox]

I don't exactly know what a male stereotype is actually.. nor a female stereotype.

Perhaps I'm just weird like that. or maybe I've met way too many types of people in real life to know what the stereotype is.

I did notice a trend however in sitcoms, like in the King of Queens and Everybody Loves Raymond. Comparing the 2, the wives are exactly the same, the husbands are exactly the same. I hate that trend by the way.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

So what would you think the MBTI types of the characters in those sitcoms are?

 

[xbox]

I'm not good at typing people since I'm new to MBTI... I think I'm learning here so don't bite me. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Umm... I'm going to guess that the wives are ESFJ
-have annoying anger/temper issues/loud
-fussing over untimeliness
-very critical/condescending
-incessant need to control people (Its either their way or the highway)

I guess this annoys me because they portray this as a female stereotype according to these 2 sitcoms.

husbands are ISTP?
-lazy/slobs
-socially awkward
-escaping from household duty
-"in the moment" type

 

[Trebuchet]

Does everyone agree with this? If not, let me know. Also, what of the female stereotype? I would say ENFJ, following the same logic as the previous paragraph, since women are stereotyped opposite from men.

I could agree with ISTP for men. Men are supposed to be good at fixing things, and sports, and so on. If you are in the US, just look at what is for sale for Father's Day. ISTP things.

As for women, I don't think anyone is stereotyped as iNtuitive, except scientists and psychics, so I would think ESFJ. Aren't ESFJs supposed to be so nurturing, and community centered, and emotional?

EDIT: I haven't seen the same sitcoms, xbox, but it looks like we had the same conclusions, anyway. I don't consider myself good at typing others, either, and I am not new to MBTI. I just think it is hard to do.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

As for women, I don't think anyone is stereotyped as iNtuitive, except scientists and psychics, so I would think ESFJ. Aren't ESFJs supposed to be so nurturing, and community centered, and emotional?

I think women are stereotyped as intuitive, especially because of the age-old idea of "women's intuition." Women are stereotyped as being more creative and artistic than men, I think.

Also, I have never heard of ESFJ's being nurturing, community centered, and emotional. However, I'm not huge into typing...I've never read the ESFJ profile. I've only studied the specific personalities of people I know, and I don't consciously know any ESFJ's. The way I type people is by just deciding on each letter based on characteristics, which I know can be quite inaccurate.

 

[Trebuchet]

I think women are stereotyped as intuitive, especially because of the age-old idea of "women's intuition." Women are stereotyped as being more creative and artistic than men, I think.

Okay, maybe so. I don't know that N represents creativity or artistic talent, though. I'm not ready to argue the point, though; you may be right.

I had always taken "women's intuition" as a bit condescending. I read it as implying that women can't approach things logically and have to rely on gut feel. I thought it went along with "a women's prerogative is to change her mind." But perhaps I have been unfair.

Also, I have never heard of ESFJ's being nurturing, community centered, and emotional. However, I'm not huge into typing...I've never read the ESFJ profile. I've only studied the specific personalities of people I know, and I don't consciously know any ESFJ's. The way I type people is by just deciding on each letter based on characteristics, which I know can be quite inaccurate.

I worked with one. She didn't make any sense to me, and I didn't like being around her much because she had a great social need to have endless gossip/small talk/mutually reassuring/socially reinforcing talks, but she was nice, and professional, and we got along fine.

She was definitely nurturing, but not in a cuddly way. She just wanted to take care of everyone. She was an office manager and quite protective of the rest of the office. She was definitely into community, too. She had church and other organized things after work, and treated the office as a community too. And as for emotional, I don't mean she burst into tears or anything. She had a very calm, quiet demeanor. But she could take things personally that wouldn't occur to me to take that way, for example. She cared a lot about her own emotions and those of others. She wanted to be thanked for everything, though she would never say so, and could get insecure if people neglected this. Very into being feminine, too, according to the standard gender roles.

 

[xbox]

Okay, maybe so. I don't know that N represents creativity or artistic talent, though. I'm not ready to argue the point, though; you may be right.

I agree, I don't think N would be representative of an artistic talent. I know of many ESFJ's who have scrapbooking clubs, and I don't really understand that as being creative.

I had always taken "women's intuition" as a bit condescending. I read it as implying that women can't approach things logically and have to rely on gut feel. I thought it went along with "a women's prerogative is to change her mind." But perhaps I have been unfair.

I agree with that as well... I've heard that, and it usually has to do with how a woman feels about something being right or wrong. I don't think its an unfair statement, because it does have some truth to it. It kind of goes with the "logic" of, it doesn't feel right, therefore it must be wrong, and vice versa. Ofcourse not all women are like this.


I don't think I've ever mentally connected with an ESFJ, and if we ever did come close to connecting, it was some kind of generic topic where we both would not go too deep into debate.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

I agree, I don't think N would be representative of an artistic talent. I know of many ESFJ's who have scrapbooking clubs, and I don't really understand that as being creative.

I think N's are better at thinking outside the box than S's, and you have to think outside the box in order to be creative.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

S's can "think outside the box" too. They focus on a different side of the data set, they can be just as creative. Let's not stereotype now.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

Let's not stereotype now.

Stereotyping is kind of the point of this thread :P

 

[Bryson]

Gender stereotypes aren't supposed to be Ns, as we are a minority and we don't have the numbers to be a gender representative. ISTP for males and ESFJ for females are good picks imo.

I also like to think this way:

Male stereotypes:

the husband: ISTJ
the lover: ESTP

Female stereotypes:

the wife: ISFJ
the lover: ESFP

 

[thoumyvision]

I think N's are better at thinking outside the box than S's, and you have to think outside the box in order to be creative.

I've been thinking recently about the difference between "S" artists (usually SP's) and "N" artists (usually NF's). I don't know their types, but the two that stuck out in my mind were Michelangelo and Van Gogh. Michelangelo was very precise and detailed in all his work, pointing to ISxP, whereas Van Gogh (after he got over his blue clown period) was all feeling impressions, pointing to an INFx.

What's interesting to me is that I think I'm much more attracted to art made by S-types than N-types. Anyone else feel this way?

 

[Trebuchet]

Stereotyping is kind of the point of this thread :P

Not really. Discussing what the stereotypes are is the point of this thread. Buying into them isn't.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

I never said I actually bought into them, Trebuchet.

 

[Minuend]

I'd say the male personality is more extroverted. Talkative, outgoing, opinionated, leader...ly, directive etc

 

[EmergingAlbert]

I'd say the male personality is more extroverted. Talkative, outgoing, opinionated, leader...ly, directive etc

As I said in my original post, you are scientifically correct. Men are actually more extraverted than women, but the stereotype suggests the opposite.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

I suppose what I mean is that N's are stereotyped to think more outside the box, not that all of them do.

 

[Minuend]

I should probably have clarified that when I see the male stereotype, I picture the above. Since he's "supposed" to be all brawly and stuff.

 

[xbox]

Ok this calls for an S vs N art thread. I'm totally interested in what people have to say.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

What's interesting to me is that I think I'm much more attracted to art made by S-types than N-types. Anyone else feel this way?

I find 'S-art' really boring to be honest. I admire the great skill used to make realistic paintings and such, but really, it's just boring. I like being a little weirded out or having to seriously figure something out etc.

A combination of the great skill as seen in realistic paintings and the great fantasy/out-of-this-worldism of surrealism/psychedelic/abstract/cubism paintings is what I really like.

My favorite artists are probably Edvard Munch and Salvador Dalí:

Spoiler

 

[xbox]

Hmm. Interesting.. so realistic art is more S?

 

[xbox]

I think N's are better at thinking outside the box than S's, and you have to think outside the box in order to be creative.

You could be right. I think I got confused with S and N for a minute while typing that post.