MBTI and socionics.

[FlowerThug]

as I understand it, and correct me if I'm wrong, a person's MBTI type is not necessarily the same as the socionics personality type. but does that have any relevance in understanding something new, or is it just two different interpretations of the same reality by two different theories.

what is the difference between two people one with MBTI type as INTP and socionics type as INTp (ILI), while the other person also an MBTI type INTP but socionics type as INTj (LII).

 

[Ink]

Both theories are based off the cognitive functions therefore an MBTI INTP should also be a socionics INTj (LII). Some people say the functions are defined differently but I don't really see much difference

 

[Brontosaurie]

Ti-Ne-Si-Fe (INTP) vs. Ti-Ne-Fi-Se (INTj)

 

[Ink]

Ti-Ne-Si-Fe vs. Ti-Ne-Fi-Se

What? I'm pretty sure that's not how socionics works

 

[Brontosaurie]

What? I'm pretty sure that's not how socionics works

ok.

 

[Ink]

http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Logical_Intuitive_Introtim

Well, socionics does seem to go into a lot more detail in how every type uses all 8 functions, but seeing as they see the INTjs dual being the ESFj (Ti-Ne with Fe-Si) you could still say INTjs are Ti-Ne-Si-Fe in their system as well

 

[Brontosaurie]

no.

 

[Ink]

...wanna go into a bit more detail?

 

[Brontosaurie]

read the numbers beside the descriptions. they specify functional order.

 

[Ink]

Well, in any case Ti is polar to Fe, so while using Ti Fe is the opposite of the psyche... Functioning order isn't the most important thing

 

[Obsidian]

I think he is correct about the main difference. Socionics emphasizes the effects of the inferior function. Also, it emphasizes the orderliness of introverted judgment. Hence, even an INTP becomes a judger.

 

[Ink]

So it seems the inferior function doesn't mean the same thing in the two systems then? Fe is opposite of Ti in both theories but Se is described as our inferior?

 

[FlowerThug]

my result keeps coming as INTP and INTp.. though i can identify with INTj pretty well too..
I'm not too hung up on the results, because I doubt that anyone can only identify with one type.

I'm just interested in how the disparity between the expected results could be interpreted.

from a descriptions point of view both ILI and LII seem to be very similar.

 

[Ink]

Inferior Se would definitely explain why I can't get along with my SP family... What are your thoughts on the visual identification stuff they have? At first I thought all of it was bullshit but I guess it could be something to it if for example certain types have certain postures/head movements that exaggarate certain features.

 

[Obsidian]

Whoa, I actually misread what was posted above. I thought he was saying that INTj was Ti-Ne-Fe-Si.

I had no idea that Socionics actually claimed that you use both judgment functions of the same orientation. How completely stupid. But I guess a system like that is pretty much what you would expect to be invented by communists.

 

[Ink]

Why do you think it's stupid? Everyone uses all 8 functions, you don't agree with that? I don't think MBTI says you don't

 

[Obsidian]

Jung only describes four functions. 8-function theory is false.

And according to Jung, the dominant function represses the inferior function, which should be of the opposite dichotomy and the opposite orientation. Socionics has everything completely wrong.

 

[Ink]

So you are saying you can't at all comprehend how any functions besides your four work? I can definitely identify very well with the functional LII desciption

 

[Obsidian]

No, I am saying that there is no such thing except four functions: Thinking, Feeling, Sensing, and Intuition. Introversion and extraversion are orientations, which reflect a specific predisposition to look or act outwardly, or focus inwardly. An introverted thinker can apply his thoughts outwardly. It does not mean that he is using a separate Te function. But the general predisposition will be to keep the thoughts inward.

 

[Ink]

It does not mean that he is using a separate Te function. But the general predisposition will be to keep the thoughts inward.

Are you sure that's what socionics states?

 

[HDINTP]

No MBTI is not socionics. Socionics helped me to understand one person "well enough" at least it seems that way to me right now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socionics