Manosphere

[Ex-User (9086)]

I think this is a perfectly simple illustration of how influence and ideas work on a large scale:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc

Two most likely opposing views that first grow based on their persuasive value, then form separate tribes that preserve values and project hostility on images of enemies rather than real enemies and even these "real" enemies are only created based on arbitrary choices of information rather than real conflict.

 

[Sockrates]

That was interesting. Thanks for sharing it.

 

[Inquisitor]

I know your post was from a while ago...I just couldn't help but share my take on this even though I'm a new user...hope you don't mind...

I think it's useful to examine why the manosphere even exists...I agree with you, some of these guys are lunatics/extremists/hateful/misogynists, etc. That said, I believe that there is a deeper set of issues behind why this whole sphere even popped into existence.

http://womenformen.org/

This website really sums things up well, and it's NOT part of the manosphere...If you're still interested in this issue, it has some decent authors/researchers. (maybe you've already seen this website and you still wanted to talk about the manosphere anyway...so in that case disregard this)

Bottom line though: there are specific, legitimate reasons why many men are drawn to the manosphere. Some of them are real pr*cks/disenfranchised/loners/can't get laid/unsuccessful/angry, etc. but some of them just went through a really nasty divorce, and in this case, their rage (but probably not their words) may in fact have good cause. Personally, I do not have a gf nor do I want one, and I certainly don't want kids. I think marriage is a losing proposition for a man these days, the risk is just too high. If I ever do get married, I will require my wife to sign a pre-nup. If she doesn't, she's not my wife. My friend, a Brit, just got married in China to a Chinese national. Under Chinese law, assets from before the marriage are never subject to split. Only joint investments can be split, and alimony is also not as much of an issue...So much more balanced legal system over there than we have here...

Anyway, all this is not to send anger in your direction. I liked your posts, and reading this conversation was interesting, but I think analysing the manosphere in isolation is kind of pointless. I don't think anyone will disagree that in an ideal world, neither the manosphere nor feminism would have a reason for existing, but I do think as a society we should aim to make sure both genders live in harmony, and as a man, I do think it's kind of a mediocre time (but not terrible) to be a man in the USA...

As an INTP, this is another interesting problem to chew on, and as of yet, no definitive solutions have occurred to me. A problem has been identified and some of its causes have been elucidated in my head, but hopefully, changes will occur in society that take the steam out of the manosphere...