manipulation

[Ex-User (14663)]

Is it me or is washti extra feisty nowadays?

 

[QuickTwist]

well after your elaborate, on topic remark:

i felt kinda need to clarify this option. you did't get it.
perhaps should explain it like to retarded person who is unable to read this from context. Will remember for future interactions, if any.
likewise .i.

Humbug

 

[washti]

 

[QuickTwist]

*insert anime gif here*

 

[redbaron]

I mean if you threaten anyone's animal or someone they love, regardless of type they're likely going to do what you say for as long as it takes to prevent harm to the animal/person, and then they'll take action against you instead and you've lost basically all future bargaining power/ability to manipulate.

Petty coercion isn't a good example of which type is easily manipulated. Nor do I think this kind of coercion is even classified as 'manipulation' - it's just transparently violent and abusive.

 

[QuickTwist]

I mean if you threaten anyone's animal or someone they love, regardless of type they're likely going to do what you say for as long as it takes to prevent harm to the animal/person, and then they'll take action against you instead and you've lost basically all future bargaining power/ability to manipulate.

Petty coercion isn't a good example of which type is easily manipulated. Nor do I think this kind of coercion is even classified as 'manipulation' - it's just transparently violent and abusive.

The cat thing might have been a bad example. Ofc you don't address my explanation after words.

Anyways, you also didn't say anything about the conclusion I made about manipulation being just pressing something in some way to force the other to give ground away somewhere else. Even reverse psychology does this.

 

[sushi]

being manipulated is the consequence of lack of experience/lack of knowledge or inability to "get people's motivations and social scheming".

Once you suffered enough or victimized from other's manipulation, you eventually know how to do it yourself. its a sucker problem per se. like con artist

of course some people can't learn or see it no matter how much they get buttfucked .

 

[ruminator]

I don't get why people talk about manipulators using "insecurities". People always said that manipulators especially take advantage of insecure, low self-esteem people as they are easier to manipulate. I don't see the connection between insecurity and manipulation. Can someone give a hypo to illustrate the connection?

 

[kora]

I don't get why people talk about manipulators using "insecurities". People always said that manipulators especially take advantage of insecure, low self-esteem people as they are easier to manipulate. I don't see the connection between insecurity and manipulation. Can someone give a hypo to illustrate the connection?

Well, I see it like this, in vague terms : Insecure and low self esteem people feel more need to please others because they don’t feel socially valued, they would go to great lengths including acting against their own interests to be redeemed of their perceived faults, or something like that. If you feel worthless, you have less agency or something.

An example : someone’s partner continuously criticizes them and says they hurt them/ aren’t good enough or whatever, so the person in question feels the need to buy back the love by doing whatever is asked of them, the other person’s needs or desires become more important than their own. Or rather, not being rejected by the other person becomes the strongest desire. Romantic relationships are ideal scenarios for manipulation unfortunately, because if you are attached to someone you can easily have the insecurity of not being loved by them or left.

A cartoonish/exaggerated example : continuously call someone weak and say “well, if you were strong you would do X” so you create discontentment at being seen as weak, which creates desire to be seen as strong, which then takes up proposed solution of doing X to be seen as strong.” Desire to be valued takes precedent over desire to do disagreeable X task. A person who doesn’t need to prove themselves to others would just be like “whatever, don’t care”. I suppose insecure here means depending on other people’s perceptions for you to feel okay? Everyone is a bit insecure I suppose. You have to care what someone thinks about you, I believe, and someone ill intentioned could use the fact that you care about their judgement.

Make sense ? I’m probably missing stuff to some extent.

I mean, once again it all depends on what we mean by manipulation. I would say the cat example given by Qwicktwist earlier is kind of too blatant, and falls more into the realm of blackmail, but maybe blackmail is the extreme version of manipulation idk...I took the word manipulation to mean that the intentions are disguised. With my new highly enviable and powerful mod status I could threaten to ban people unless they posted 5 posts a day singing my praises, maybe if I explicitely laid it out it would be blackmail. But, if people noticed I was favoring people who sang my praises and banning people who disagreed, and so started singing my praises, that would be manipulation on my part, It’s not certain I will ban anyone, but people live in fear of being banned by me and so start acting nicer. Its all about power status, any position of power can be abused in some sense, and insecure people naturally let people have power over them. Or something. Yeah.

 

[Yellow]

which personality type that is easily manipulated (emotionally)? and why ?

Every single one, depending on the form your manipulation takes.

It's a matter of tone, approach, intent, and leverage.

NToids are easy to manipulate when you know what they want to hear. SFoids are easy to manipulate when you know what they need/want. NFoids are easy to manipulate if you know their passions. SToids are easy to manipulate if you know how to push their buttons.

I don't think feelers are more prone to being manipulated, while thinkers are safer. I think it's the other way around. A lot of manipulation is emotional manipulation. Thinkers, who are not as capable of understanding and trusting emotions, are more prone to being emotionally manipulated as opposed to feelers.

I agree. Rigidity makes you predictable, and manipulation is all about anticipating your target's next move.

 

[Rixus]

Every single one, depending on the form your manipulation takes.

It's a matter of tone, approach, intent, and leverage.

NToids are easy to manipulate when you know what they want to hear. SFoids are easy to manipulate when you know what they need/want. NFoids are easy to manipulate if you know their passions. SToids are easy to manipulate if you know how to push their buttons.

True that every type has different buttons to press. Which makes MBTI a useful tool to have, or a weapon if you want to use it that way.

I agree. Rigidity makes you predictable, and manipulation is all about anticipating your target's next move.

I agree with you both - but I don't think it's down to rigidity or logic. NT's, and particularly INT's, are renowned as being the least emotional of types. Every relationship I've had has described me as the least emotional person they've known. "Like a robot sometimes," said my last girlfriend. "I'm not sure whether you're an android or a Vulcan," said the relationship before that. But we are not androids, we are human. We, or I at least, simply don't show much feeling to the outside world. Mostly, the world doesn't make me feel much of anything. Especially not next to these feelers who seem to have emotional reactions to every colour, picture, animal or anything they see.

But when something does, and our feelings are really pushed, we don't know how to handle them. And we don't get people, we don't understand their feelings or behaviours. And because of this, many of our types feel like aliens wandering around and trying to blend in to this strange Earth culture. So when you find someone who you actually feel normal with, who seems to be one of your species, yes you become vulnerable.