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Making Minds Less Well Educated Than Our Own

Da Blob

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arg! Google books is hiding some of the pages from me. *frustrated*
But I was really happy with the prologue so far.

As someone else & I already learned, google books doesn't neccessarily block the same pages every person. So I'm going to copy/paste the pages of the Prologue I *can* see, and list the pages I can't see. Hopefully some people will fill in the holes.

I am missing:
xviiii (or xviv?)- missing
xxi - missing

and I have the rest. only missing two pages, i guess. Get on it! I want to read it in order.
Pages 15-16
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Pages 19-20:
PAGE 19 GOES HERE

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Almost apropos of something, I've held this on my browser looking for a possible thread...

Why Don’t Students Like School?” Well, Duhhhh…


From Psychology Today, but it's message applauded by right-wingers everywhere: School is Jail !


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Willingham's thesis is that students don't like school because their teachers don't have a full understanding of certain cognitive principles and therefore don't teach as well as they could. They don't present material in ways that appeal best to students' minds. Presumably, if teachers followed Willingham's advice and used the latest information cognitive science has to offer about how the mind works, students would love school.

Talk about avoiding the elephant in the room!


Ask any schoolchild why they don't like school and they'll tell you. "School is prison." They may not use those words, because they're too polite, or maybe they've already been brainwashed to believe that school is for their own good and therefore it can't be prison. But decipher their words and the translation generally is, "School is prison."


Let me say that a few more times: School is prison. School is prison. School is prison. School is prison. School is prison.



Willingham surely knows that school is prison. He can't help but know it; everyone knows it. But here he writes a whole book entitled "Why Don't Students Like School," and not once does he suggest that just possibly they don't like school because they like freedom, and in school they are not free.


I shouldn't be too harsh on Willingham. He's not the only one avoiding this particular elephant in the room. Everyone who has ever been to school knows that school is prison, but almost nobody says it. It's not polite to say it. We all tiptoe around this truth, that school is prison, because telling the truth makes us all seem so mean. How could all these nice people be sending their children to prison for a good share of the first 18 years of their lives? How could our democratic government, which is founded on principles of freedom and self-determination, make laws requiring children and adolescents to spend a good portion of their days in prison? It's unthinkable, and so we try hard to avoid thinking it. Or, if we think it, we at least don't say it. When we talk about what's wrong with schools we pretend not to see the elephant, and we talk instead about some of the dander that's gathered around the elephant's periphery.

But I think it is time that we say it out loud. School is prison.


If you think school is not prison, please explain the difference.


The only difference I can think of is that to get into prison you have to commit a crime, but they put you in school just because of your age. In other respects school and prison are the same. In both places you are stripped of your freedom and dignity. You are told exactly what you must do, and you are punished for failing to comply. Actually, in school you must spend more time doing exactly what you are told to do than is true in adult prisons, so in that sense school is worse than prison.




Now, there are good reasons for keeping non-wrong-doers in school ( at least until the age of 14/15 ) just as there have to be laws which oppress non-wrong-doers; my own favourite being that it keeps them off the streets. And the institution of compulsory state education was one of the levers that propelled countries and civilizations further ahead of their rivals, plus it stopped the little ones running into sometimes short careers as child labour ( which exploitation was normal back then; and which is normal now in lesser civilizations, and which is eagerly applauded by certain groups living in Libertaria ). I can't see why it's benefits --- and those things which discredit it, such as moralizing and the induction of all into a weak liberal mindset --- cannot be balanced by the basic truth enunciated by the psychologist above...




School is Prison !




Claverhouse :phear:
 

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I still remember the first surreal moment of my life involving school. I cam home after school and declared "I HATE SCHOOL!". I was told that I could not hate school and I was expected to do well in school so I could go to College after I was done. I was 6 years old and I thought College was like Disneyland or something. So I asked "What is College?"

When I was told it was four more years of school I shut up - apparently, I was to spend a great deal of energy and effort to become proficient in an environment that I hated, just so I could spend 4 more years in that hated environment? I began to question the sanity of the adult generation at that point in my life...

Our education system is just a horrible parody of assisted cognitive development.

If Educators really wanted the students to succeed, they would provide reasons for the children to want to succeed... Giving days off for good behavior, good grades etc could be a start - it works in the other prisons
 

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arg! Google books is hiding some of the pages from me. *frustrated*
But I was really happy with the prologue so far.

As someone else & I already learned, google books doesn't neccessarily block the same pages every person. So I'm going to copy/paste the pages of the Prologue I *can* see, and list the pages I can't see. Hopefully some people will fill in the holes.

I am missing:
xviiii (or xviv?)- missing
xxi - missing

Well, I can see those two pages but it is beyond my abilities to cut and paste them apparently...(?) I do know that the entire prologue was published in the British Journal of Education Technology or some other journal a few years back if someone has access to a decent scholarly data base...
 

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I don't think children hate school because it's a prison, either. The problem is, they have far too much 'fun' stuff to do outside of school (TV, video games, stuffing their fat faces etc). Children in third world countries pine to go to school, it's only in developed countries (the ADHD countries) where children despise school.

What do I think a modern education should be like? I think the school(s) should be the central hub of a district, where not only children go, but so do parents. Both parents and children can go to school for certain subjects - christ knows parents have just as much to learn as children do.

There should be more interactive methods of teaching: computer 'games', in-class labs, and even apprenticeships. Students should be allowed more freedom to choose the things they want to learn about, and the mandatory classes should focus on the more mundane things (how to balance a budget; how to make a resume; drug/sex education; and even things about how to raise children or handle a crisis like getting into a car accident or dealing with a sick/injured person).

I think it's a pipe dream to say that "school should be fun". Yes, certain parts of school could be made fun, but more then anything it should be able to hold a students attention and at least be less boring.

I think adjusting the curriculum on a student-by-student basis (as opposed to adjusting the students to the curriculum) would help substantially in this area. Different students are interested in a diversity of of subjects and learn in different ways - it's borderline madness to have a uniform method to teach them. Different students progress in various ways and at a different pace, so the idea of being in a certain 'grade' should be thrown out completely.
 

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Children in third world countries pine to go to school, it's only in developed countries (the ADHD countries) where children despise school.

ORLY?

School is Prison!

If I could go back and give my thirteen year old self some advice, the main thing I'd tell him would be to stick his head up and look around. I didn't really grasp it at the time, but the whole world we lived in was as fake as a Twinkie. Not just school, but the entire town. Why do people move to suburbia? To have kids! So no wonder it seemed boring and sterile. The whole place was a giant nursery, an artificial town created explicitly for the purpose of breeding children.

Where I grew up, it felt as if there was nowhere to go, and nothing to do. This was no accident. Suburbs are deliberately designed to exclude the outside world, because it contains things that could endanger children.

And as for the schools, they were just holding pens within this fake world. Officially the purpose of schools is to teach kids. In fact their primary purpose is to keep kids locked up in one place for a big chunk of the day so adults can get things done. And I have no problem with this: in a specialized industrial society, it would be a disaster to have kids running around loose.

What bothers me is not that the kids are kept in prisons, but that (a) they aren't told about it, and (b) the prisons are run mostly by the inmates. Kids are sent off to spend six years memorizing meaningless facts in a world ruled by a caste of giants who run after an oblong brown ball, as if this were the most natural thing in the world. And if they balk at this surreal cocktail, they're called misfits.

(...)

Teenage kids used to have a more active role in society. (...) Now adults have no immediate use for teenagers. They would be in the way in an office. So they drop them off at school on their way to work, much as they might drop the dog off at a kennel if they were going away for the weekend. (...) Teenagers now are useless, except as cheap labor in industries like fast food, which evolved to exploit precisely this fact. In almost any other kind of work, they'd be a net loss. But they're also too young to be left unsupervised. Someone has to watch over them, and the most efficient way to do this is to collect them together in one place. Then a few adults can watch all of them.

If you stop there, what you're describing is literally a prison, albeit a part-time one. The problem is, many schools practically do stop there. The stated purpose of schools is to educate the kids. But there is no external pressure to do this well. And so most schools do such a bad job of teaching that the kids don't really take it seriously-- not even the smart kids. Much of the time we were all, students and teachers both, just going through the motions.

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Nice article! Mentally I was an adult for much of my childhood - it is still a mystery why they group children into classes based upon their chronological age instead of their mental age - 80 years after the conception of IQ....(?)
 

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Good grief. School isn't that bad.
Yes, we're forced to store ridiculous information to regurgitate on tests. We're required to take classes that are mundane and completely irrelevant to whatever we want to do as a career, or irrelevant to life after school. At young ages we're horded with kids our age and move up the ranks strictly in line with our classmates.
But seriously, it's not some god-awful hellhole (most of the time). Whining about school being a prison is just...gah. It sounds like something a teenager angsts about on Facebook. It could be worse. For the first few years of our life we could be brainwashed to make some mass-produced industrial crap so we can go straight out of school, pick a place in a factory, and shut off our brains until we die. (No offense to people with that sort of job, of course, It's just an example.)
Yes, there's room for improvement in the educational system. Lotttts of room. (AI, feel free to implement your changes at any time. :p ) But stop complaining so much. Learn what you want to learn, forget all the rest.
 

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chimera said:
For the first few years of our life we could be brainwashed to make some mass-produced industrial crap so we can go straight out of school, pick a place in a factory, and shut off our brains until we die.

Uh... forgive me, Chime, but I was under the impression that that's what school was: I never saw it doing much of anything else. If there is any vocation that school prepares you for, it's factory and office work:wear what we tell you, come in when we tell you, eat when we tell you, leave when we tell you. In between all of that, sit down and do this. For the next thirty years of your life or until you have a nervous breakdown, whichever comes first. (Actually, speaking from experience, having a job like that is actually less soul-destroying than my last year of secondary school was. At the best, you know that if someone's paying you to do this, banal as it is, it fulfills some purpose, and at the worst, there is money at the end of it to buy food and books and interweb connection with.)

I agree with AI on this one: school needs to be more attractive, but I think learning about things that actually have some application in real life would do a lot for improving the experience of education around the world. What AI called the 'mundane' things, like putting together a CV, budgeting, first aid... all of those things should be taught as early as is sensible, at the point when they first begin to understand the need for these things. The one thing I should add is that the ideal school would encourage the assumption that students were always capable of a little more. From my experience, many teachers patronized their students to the point where it was possible to sleep through some classes without missing anything, so simple was the information being relayed. That, coupled with a test-obsessed culture of education, basically sent the message that enough wash uite enough and may even have been too much in some circumstances, rather than being 'good, but whatevery may lie beyond it is better'.

Beyond that, and possibly inescapable, is the possibility that in creating a 'place for learning' in the form of a school, we condition people at a very young age to think that school is where learning happens and it doesn't necessarily happen anywhere else. I find that possibility very depressing. :(
 

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Uh... forgive me, Chime, but I was under the impression that that's what school was: I never saw it doing much of anything else.


True, not to mention I've heard so many teachers pull the "school prepares you for the real world" card.
I mean, right now I'm going through my "if high school prepares me for college, and if any degree I get in college will be rendered useless by the work force, then why try hard in school at all? I'd rather make it bend to my enjoyment."
(Embarrassingly enough, I lost the entire frame of mind I was in when I wrote my first post. I can't back it up at all now.)
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This is why I would fail on a debate team...
I just know this: School is a system, and systems are there to be manipulated.
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There's a nice screen capture addon for Firefox called Fireshot--makes it fairly easy to copy and paste pages from Google books onto a Word doc, etc., so they can be printed.

It would be nice to be able to download books in larger chunks (less of a strain on the eyes if I can print stuff) or at least get around the limits Google sets, but I haven't been able to get anything more sophisticated to work.

Anybody find anything more useful?
 

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One can only help but wonder what a truly modern school system would be...

The one that teaches people. The only trouble is - who's gonna work at the factories for a minimum wage if the school system was about teaching and not grades and "do-what-you're-told" attitude?
 

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There's a nice screen capture addon for Firefox called Fireshot--makes it fairly easy to copy and paste pages from Google books onto a Word doc, etc., so they can be printed.

It would be nice to be able to download books in larger chunks (less of a strain on the eyes if I can print stuff) or at least get around the limits Google sets, but I haven't been able to get anything more sophisticated to work.

Anybody find anything more useful?

No, when I switched browsers from Safari to Firefox, page 19 became hidden :confused:

EDIT: afterthought - I know this is kind of primitive - but could someone copy the two pages the 'old fashioned" way and just type them? i would except i can only type with two fingers...
 

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Chimera said:
(Embarrassingly enough, I lost the entire frame of mind I was in when I wrote my first post. I can't back it up at all now.)

*laughs* That happens to me a lot too. I've actually begun wondering if I have any opinions ayt all or if I'm just capable of defending almost any position I'm given, and I've adopted some of my arguments as things I officially 'think'. Like I stamped them with an official wax seal or something, and now they've been upgraded from Argument to Opinion. :rolleyes:

Of course it's there to be analyzed, broken down, put back together and above all manipulated to our own benefit! :phear: I did really well in school, as I said: I just hated almost every minute.
 
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