Make INTP Forum Great again

[Drvladivostok]

Seriously, why isn't this website exploding in numbers? You'd think with market target being the most chronically online people, and various interesting subjects to discuss, it would atleast be breezing with many new followers. Is it too esoteric?

Hanging around here feels somber and melancholic, like a gambling meetup where each week we set up poker table in the church basement, each meeting is interresting, but around these ciggarete smoke and circle of Whiskey glass, the faces are fammiliar.

 

[Hadoblado]

The forum has become a propaganda platform for conservatives which pushes many away. There's also not much here that people can't get anywhere else.

 

[Drvladivostok]

The forum has become a propaganda platform for conservatives which pushes many away. There's also not much here that people can't get anywhere else.​

I would like to hear the other user's opinon on this, do they agree?

It's true that, some users (including me perhaps), subscribe to right leaning believe that others might feel to be esoteric ot whatnot. But I can pinpoint by name users that are liberals, in fact since the forum is not regulated, it construct a near-free marketplace of ideas, if anti-conservative would like to discuss here they're more than welcomed.

I think the contents here are very deep and interesting to discuss, its just that people who're not fammiliar with the users here might find it hard to engage and enter to a conversation, its also not very vibrant but almost solemn and calm, people want to go to casinos where flashy neon blinks, the music never stops, and the ladies are a fingerwave away. In the age of tik-tok brain rott and doomscrolling, this place is very strange.​

 

[fluffy]

I have seen much culture based on MBTI in the realms of the Internet crop up. But on YouTube where things are more interactive and where memes can spread faster. Generally Google has learned how to stop things from "going viral" such that people find less information from places like this and more from other sources. New generations then are limited to blogs and stuff. The algorithm works in mysterious ways. Plus people in the old times were trying to understand themselves as types, so less people get mistyped as INTP than before I suspect.

 

[dr froyd]

The forum has become a propaganda platform for conservatives which pushes many away. There's also not much here that people can't get anywhere else.

Lol is this serious? I remember when this forum was run by leftist social-justice militants at the height of the social-justice wave, and the mods themselves joined in on bullying anyone who didn't have the correct political opinions (and of course sometimes banned people).

now that pushed people away

 

[Puffy]

The forum has become a propaganda platform for conservatives which pushes many away. There's also not much here that people can't get anywhere else.

Lol is this serious? I remember when this forum was run by leftist social-justice militants at the height of the social-justice wave, and the mods themselves joined in on bullying anyone who didn't have the correct political opinions (and of course sometimes banned people).

now that pushed people away

Yes, if I recall wasn't Serac one of the many casualties of the great red purge.

 

[Hadoblado]

And yet it's the conservatives who remain.

I'm not saying every conservative here is proselatysing, but count the threads to see who's determining the direction of all political discourse. There is no balance and quite frankly it's stifling. The mods were progressive at one point, and there were some rules put in place to protect members, but there was always a healthy conservative representation here.

Yes, if I recall wasn't Serac one of the many casualties of the great red purge.

Was Serac banned or did he leave? I can't remember banning them. I wonder how they're doing?

 

[Puffy]

And yet it's the conservatives who remain.

I'm not saying every conservative here is proselatysing, but count the threads to see who's determining the direction of all political discourse. There is no balance and quite frankly it's stifling. The mods were progressive at one point, and there were some rules put in place to protect members, but there was always a healthy conservative representation here.

Yes, if I recall wasn't Serac one of the many casualties of the great red purge.

Was Serac banned or did he leave? I can't remember banning them. I wonder how they're doing?

I think he was banned and I suspect was salty about it.

I guess it's the same as broader society to an extent. One day a liberal government, the next day a conservative one, and maybe to an extent what qualifies as proselytising depends on what side of the fence you sit on.

I do think I agree overall that the conservative agenda is being pushed too hard at the moment though. Whether it's coincidence or not I'm noting a distinct lack of female or lgbt presence on the forum, at least compared to what it was, whether good or bad I do think it's fair to say that the forum used to be more diverse under progressive management and is a bit of a man cave atm.

 

[Hadoblado]

Huh. I kinda liked Serac half the time (when he wasn't being a complete retard). I still have some of his music on my playlist.

I mean, it still is technically under progressive management. I'm progressive and I'm the most active. Higs is progressive and second most active. Kuu is conservative (don't let him hear you say that or you'll get a lecture though) but he's very rarely around.

But we're not really managing so much as letting it run its course and keeping the place tidy.

I agree about women and LGBT. I actually typed as much but deleted it thinking I'd get attacked for identity politic.

I think for the most part any engagement between political views here is shallow. People are too quick to move onto the next point that they feel they can win whenever their views are challenged. It's not about discussion it's about flooding the zone and monopolising attention. My managerial style tends to be to give people a separate place they can do the thing within reasonable boundaries, but politics is so ubiquitous I'm not sure that's feasible?

 

[BurnedOut]

The forum has become a propaganda platform for conservatives which pushes many away

I don't quite get you. How is this place a propaganda forum?

 

[birdsnestfern]

The forum has become a propaganda platform for conservatives which pushes many away. There's also not much here that people can't get anywhere else.

Lol is this serious? I remember when this forum was run by leftist social-justice militants at the height of the social-justice wave, and the mods themselves joined in on bullying anyone who didn't have the correct political opinions (and of course sometimes banned people).

now that pushed people away

Sort of true regarding we need more balance. Its just that now nobody feels safe to freely speak in usa. I was in a nextdoor . com forum that proved to be too dangerous to comment at all in. People get rabid when you challenge their politics. And then they follow you around and twist your words into something that bites that had nothing to do with your comment. I mean, just stating a quote from Abraham Lincoln makes conservatives turn it into something against Hillary or something whacked like that. So, its gotten out of hand. But at least here, people try to make actual political points of discussion instead of just outright hatred.

And, I disagree, that theres not much here, in fact, there is more here for thinkers than nearly anywhere. I like that.
At least you have some reasonable people here and when an argument is made, it follows certain rules. But I want to distill the rules
and try to teach others how to argue but they don't really understand that in other forums. Is there a list of civil rules for discussions?

Reasonable person - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Hadoblado]

Re: BurnedOut
I'd invite you to read Cog's thread creation history but I believe it's privated. Between the threads he creates on politics and the threads he derails into politics he injects his media feed into every corner of the forum. OldThings was kinda bad for religion there for a while but he's eased up somewhat.

Re: Birdsnestfern
Sorry, if you find something valuable here I don't mean to diminish it. I'm speaking of my own preferences and more importantly what I project to be the needs of the new member demographic. We're a forum for pseudopsychology for "rational" types who disproportionately reject pseudoscience. We are free to pursue independent thought through conversation but almost inevitably regurgitate party lines or the mantra of other established institutions.

 

[Cognisant]

Yeah I know, now that the US election is over I'll calm down.
At least until the Australian federal election.

Derailing threads is legitimate criticism, I'll try to keep it contained, although the whole US election was one giant clusterfuck of issues all tied into each other so it's hard to talk about any of it without getting out the pin board and string.

Finally I post a lot, I create a lot of threads, I don't think you're all here for me but I know when I'm away there's a general downturn in discussions happening so if am of any value at all it's being this forum's fecal agitator.

Spoiler

 

[BurnedOut]

But I can pinpoint by name users that are liberals, in fact since the forum is not regulated, it construct a near-free marketplace of ideas, if anti-conservative would like to discuss here they're more than welcomed.

I agree with you. It does not matter if people are put off by what's on the surface. Never have I ever utilized social media but been satisfied with intpforum. It genuinely feels like a club. And nobody's stopping anybody from participating

 

[BurnedOut]

I'd invite you to read Cog's thread creation history but I believe it's privated. Between the threads he creates on politics and the threads he derails into politics he injects his media feed into every corner of the forum. OldThings was kinda bad for religion there for a while but he's eased up somewhat.

Forums were doomed to head to this point. At any given point of history of forums, there has been no symmetry between different members or even a proper community like you find on reddit where people are like and karma whores. I had noticed that even this place had a similar system but it got long abandoned people started leaving. If anything half the times I am deliberately starting arguments with cog and secretly enjoying them because he is a libertarian than a consknowledge and they are two different breeds. He is quite an individualist and a force of nature when it comes to holding his ground until it turns into a playground fight.

About OldThings, I just ignore his posts not because they are annoying but because I simply don't have any knowledge otherwise I would have probably done hermeneutics and deconstruction in his threads too. I think everybody just sticks to their own domain and dominate them thread-wise which is naturally as there are hardly even 10 people participating in most of the threads. Intpforum has become an abandoned steel factory and I like that because i don't need social media and perpetual material validation but experience more spiritual and intellectual longing. So coming here is like going to a sophist party where you are casual but not mediocre

The forum has become a propaganda platform

There have been a few people I cannot remember who have been shitposting too much on religion, magic, pseudoscience that is outright disrespectful to the sophist culture here - especially the jesus simps and proper reddit right-winger takes.

 

[Puffy]

I think Cog's point is fair that by coincidence it is conservative members who happen to be the big thread creators at the moment. If they were taken out of the equation there would be a lot less threads and a lot less activity. So to a certain extent if someone doesn't like the direction threads are going it's on them to create threads of things they'd want to discuss instead.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

We churn off active users faster than they aggregate. I would assume barely at an equilibrium

We always share to external sources on other websites, but I doubt we often share a link from this website on an external website.

Honestly if the mods, or the users really wanted to and we could bite the bullet for a couple weeks or months and get a few users by adhering to some sort of strategy.

I think this would have certain downstream effects. at the moment I interpret discussion on here to be somewhat genuine, while also being somewhat turbulent.

And having some sort of user acquisition strategy would change that formula that we've come to expect.

Messing with that formula of the people who find themselves on this forum I think is not as simple as it seems.

For example I think that the fact that right leaning people are on this form, is not a coincidence. Besides Twitter which is now X, maybe Truth social, there isn't really a place where conservatives can interface with abstract ideas in a social setting. The aforementioned social media sites are mostly propaganda tools as they are now.

Basically my point is unless we can ensure that the output of whatever the " make great again plan " does something we come to expect, something that we would like, why do anything at all?

 

[fluffy]

From my point of view, as long as people keep topics within the right sub forum we don't really have issues. Civility is at all time high compared to the other eras. We might say politics or religion have made things difficult in the past but really this is a calm spot compared to 2020 and 2016 - I think it's perspective. I don't see any hostility to feminine like persons as much as possible. That has been the case on other platforms intensely. We are thinkers. So not thinking as with any subject would not make this place what it is. It is the surrounding culture in our personal lives that I suspect has more influence on what we think is happening here than actually happening here. But regardless each person does have certain favorite subjects to discuss, what they know about and are experts in. We would not be here if we had nothing to say and got nothing from it. I appreciate all of you to the extent of your participation.

 

[fractalwalrus]

Seriously, why isn't this website exploding in numbers? You'd think with market target being the most chronically online people, and various interesting subjects to discuss, it would atleast be breezing with many new followers. Is it too esoteric?

Hanging around here feels somber and melancholic, like a gambling meetup where each week we set up poker table in the church basement, each meeting is interresting, but around these ciggarete smoke and circle of Whiskey glass, the faces are fammiliar.

I'd read somewhere that forums are on the decline in favor of social media. I think of this phenomenon in a way that reflects how people tend to behave in the term of shopping habits. Walmart kills electronics stores for all but the hobbyists. That being said, I have been on a quest to do my part in "making INTP forum great again."

 

[fractalwalrus]

The forum has become a propaganda platform for conservatives which pushes many away. There's also not much here that people can't get anywhere else.

Oh propaganda tends to attract me, no matter the stripe of the propagandist. This is the play-dough of debate.

 

[Hadoblado]

Okay. What I'm taking from this is that I'm far more exhausted with these conversations than you guys who still find value in it somehow. It still doesn't sit right with me how we have barely filtered propaganda entering the forum. It doesn't feel like I'm talking to people but with salesmen instead. But, if that's winding down with the election maybe I can take a step back and see how it pans out.

 

[fractalwalrus]

Okay. What I'm taking from this is that I'm far more exhausted with these conversations than you guys who still find value in it somehow. It still doesn't sit right with me how we have barely filtered propaganda entering the forum. It doesn't feel like I'm talking to people but with salesmen instead. But, if that's winding down with the election maybe I can take a step back and see how it pans out.

You filter by defeating it, my dude. You censor it, you radicalize it. We need warriors, Hado.

 

[Hadoblado]

• It's already radicalised. Cog is alt-right.
• I never wanted to censor the ideas themselves, just the gish galloping of them. Actually addressing a point before moving onto the next one, that sort of thing. I'm still inclined to do this I'm just pondering the implementation.
• I'm probably the biggest warrior for progressivism this forum has ever had in terms of effort/words invested pushing back. I've been in the trenches a real long time. I'm tired boss.

 

[Cognisant]

How about you create a thread about progressivism and tell us all about what it is and why it matters.

I think progressivism is a bad thing, I think the political divide isn't progressive vs conservative but rather progressive vs libertarian and when progress is opposed to liberty clearly something has gone terribly wrong.

But now I'm derailing this thread, but if I don't have that conversation here then the only alternative is to create yet another thread and coming from me it's going to be an attack on progressivism rather than a justification of it.

I know I have a bad habit of arguing with my presumptions of other people's positions, but in my defence I can't have this debate with you, without doing that, unless you give me something to work with.

 

[Hadoblado]

My problem is not that you don't have enough opportunities to complain about progressivism. Don't take my observation that political advocacy on this forum is ubiquitous, narrow, and one-sided to mean that I want more political advocacy for my own views.

I'm describing the current feedback loop, which is an extension of culture war engagement farming dynamics. It's shallow, repetitive, and stupid. Yes engagement goes up when you bait people by misrepresenting their views. Does this make the place better? Hell fucking no.

I'm not looking to debate you. It's been so many years Cog and you've only gotten more extreme. You're also not the sort of person that can change my mind because you argue to feel empowered: you don't meaningfully engage with opposing perspectives because you're not interested in them beyond the rush of publicly denouncing them.

 

[fractalwalrus]

Without Cog's "Fundamentals of Woke," thread, I would have no material for "Fundamentals of Bloke." Cog and I have engaged each other and show both mutual respect and disrespect. If the idea is to test ideas, then, it would be rather borish if this bored become too one-sided. Someone has to represent the other "side," if you will. Often people that agree with a point simply do not reply. There would be nothing on this forum if we all did so. I'm still trying to tease out who Cog is, but that is not as relevant to the course of where to direct the forum.

 

[Cognisant]

If I talk about my views I'm a propagandist.

If I speculate upon your views I'm baiting.

And if I ask you to elaborate you refuse.

You're also not the sort of person that can change my mind because you argue to feel empowered: you don't meaningfully engage with opposing perspectives because you're not interested in them beyond the rush of publicly denouncing them.

What do you mean by "meaningfully engage", what am I not engaging with?

Cog is alt-right.

I love how you say this like it proves something, you don't say why that's a bad thing, it's just presented as something to be accepted at face value. Cog is alt-right and that's terrible.

By contrast I think being progressive is a bad thing and I want to explain why, I want to have that conversation, to me that's meaningful engagement but I cannot engage with you meaningfully if you don't engage with me.

How about I create a thread about the alt-right, what it is and why it matters, would you prefer to have that conversation?

 

[EndogenousRebel]

Without Cog's "Fundamentals of Woke," thread, I would have no material for "Fundamentals of Bloke." Cog and I have engaged each other and show both mutual respect and disrespect. If the idea is to test ideas, then, it would be rather borish if this bored become too one-sided. Someone has to represent the other "side," if you will. Often people that agree with a point simply do not reply. There would be nothing on this forum if we all did so. I'm still trying to tease out who Cog is, but that is not as relevant to the course of where to direct the forum.

Just because you get more spice in your forum conversation isn't what you said earlier lmao. Now you're saying something different.

I thought it was the principle of hearing different perspectives not so you can eat popcorn and gasp at the drama.

I have this one friend in the whole wide world who I can call up and talk about anything we want.

We can be esoteric or exoteric.

We can talk about thinking, talk about talking, anything is on the table.

We get into semantic arguments about religion, but besides that everything is good. We agree on most things.

Our talks now are boring, we hardly talk at all because we've had virtually every conversation.

I kinda should talk to someone else right? And maybe, I shouldn't bring it up with my friend at all, maybe I should form my beliefs independent of his, because otherwise, I don't know why I hold what I believe to be true. Because part of that process was mediated by too much of the same source. My friend.

How do I know if I believe something if my friend also believes it, and we have no way of seeing a different perspective, because we are so washed with each other's expectations and reasoning.

This is why Cog and other people are worth "tolerating" as it was put in other forums.

If we take him at his word, then fundamentally we are tolerating him because he is a good person, as his own statements seem to intend to convey. He's worried about "unconscionable" medical practices.

I do think that we as a society need people who are willing to contradict the mainstream narrative.

We need people who are brave enough to put their credibility on the line to open our minds, because time and time again, the dominant way of thinking is flawed and needs to reorient in a certain way.

I could quote Shopenhower, add some ethos to my argument, but fuck that.

Vaccinees used to be uncontroversial miracles of science. It used to be something that the crazy lefties would castigate, and everyone knew they were radicals, even the left.

But now when it's the right, it's just like, "oH yOu crItIzIEd a CoNtrAriAN reACTioNairy? wHy aRE yOU sO CuKed aND deELuDed?"

The obvious goal is to make right wing extremism a one way trip.

"We can criticize you, but if you criticize us, you're also the manifestation of evil."

AGAIN. I am not for making Cog walk the plank. Nor that if we all started agreeing with him we would improve our lives at all. Probably would get worse tbh.

It's a source of study.

Science isn't easy. Talk to a right wing apologist today.

 

[Hadoblado]

You're doing it right now.

"If I talk about my views"... as if you aren't the single most prolific speaker of your views ever on the forum by far it's not close.

"If I speculate upon your views I'm baiting"... Deny that you deliberately bait people.

"If I ask you to elaborate you refuse"... as if I haven't spent the last eight years discussing with you at length.

What I mean by meaningfully engage is that you address the argument as presented without running away from it or making it about something else or misrepresenting it or even being open to the fraction of a possibility that someone other than you might have reasons to think what they do.

Case and point:

"Cog is alt-right" was not a statement about you being terrible. It was a statement about you being extreme. Go back and read it again.

By contrast I think being progressive is a bad thing and I want to explain why, I want to have that conversation, to me that's meaningful engagement but I cannot engage with you meaningfully if you don't engage with me.

How about I create a thread about the alt-right, what it is and why it matters, would you prefer to have that conversation?

You already have explained why over many, many posts and threads. You're pretending like this is coming out of nowhere when you've been relentlessly shouting down alternate perspectives for over a decade. You fixate like Blob or BAP. Make another thread if you want but I'm not interested and don't owe you shit.

 

[Drvladivostok]

Seriously, why isn't this website exploding in numbers? You'd think with market target being the most chronically online people, and various interesting subjects to discuss, it would atleast be breezing with many new followers. Is it too esoteric?

Hanging around here feels somber and melancholic, like a gambling meetup where each week we set up poker table in the church basement, each meeting is interresting, but around these ciggarete smoke and circle of Whiskey glass, the faces are fammiliar.

I'd read somewhere that forums are on the decline in favor of social media. I think of this phenomenon in a way that reflects how people tend to behave in the term of shopping habits. Walmart kills electronics stores for all but the hobbyists. That being said, I have been on a quest to do my part in "making INTP forum great again."

I believe, other than personal contribution though writting, this forum would benefit greatly from some promotion, for starters the r/INTP subreddit is very active, but its mostly a hodgepodge of shallow discussions regarding cognitive functions, personal relatibility, and boring depression blogs, it just feels like twitter for nerds.

We can perhaps get new users there.​

Honestly if the mods, or the users really wanted to and we could bite the bullet for a couple weeks or months and get a few users by adhering to some sort of strategy.

Basically my point is unless we can ensure that the output of whatever the " make great again plan " does something we come to expect, something that we would like, why do anything at all?

I Agree, perhaps a Shareholder Agreement-like strategy would be too complex and would deliniate the reason and spirit of why we use this site in the first place.

The main attraction of this site-for me atleast-has been the sincerity of its users to intenselly engage in very niche discussion on a very wide array of (possibly offensive and esoteric) topics, each person having their on hand to play introducing new perspectives.

Its true, such marketing strategy would naturally eliminate some people, but it could net some very loyal customer.

We can start small, by promoting this site in INTP-oriented spaces, I'm sure there are other wandering soul that're waiting to spill their cognitive juice to a canvas, or promote their ideas.​

 

[Hadoblado]

I think that's a good idea

 

[Drvladivostok]

I think that's a good idea

Okay, I'll start a thread and will link it below for you guys to comment.

Pray that this won't invite the Troll Horde, if anything, this will bring more liberal exposure to our site. Here goes nothing:

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com

 

[BurnedOut]

What I mean by meaningfully engage is that you address the argument as presented without running away from it or making it about something else or misrepresenting it or even being open to the fraction of a possibility that someone other than you might have reasons to think what they do.

See, this is a problem. I keep saying this is an abandoned steel mill. There's no need for an ideology in an anarchy

 

[Cognisant]

Lol it was immediately killed by their mods.

 

[Drvladivostok]

What I mean by meaningfully engage is that you address the argument as presented without running away from it or making it about something else or misrepresenting it or even being open to the fraction of a possibility that someone other than you might have reasons to think what they do.​

imo hoping that people will engage objectively, or should I say engage based on what our personal standard of objectivity is in debates, is to be unrealistically idealistic. People (including you and me) are ridden with conscious and subconscious biases, and it is what it is.

I mean I can simmiliarly misconstrue what you said to cog as an ad hominem attack by your own logic of picking quotes one by one and putting your own standards of objectivity on others peoples's perspective.

And this is not a jab at you, everyone in this forum is guilty of this fallacy. It's like talking to a wall, or arguing with a middle aged HR manager that is angery about "your tone". Aint gonna get us nowhere.
​

How do I know if I believe something if my friend also believes it, and we have no way of seeing a different perspective, because we are so washed with each other's expectations and reasoning.

This is why Cog and other people are worth "tolerating" as it was put in other forums.

If we take him at his word, then fundamentally we are tolerating him because he is a good person, as his own statements seem to intend to convey. He's worried about "unconscionable" medical practices.

I do think that we as a society need people who are willing to contradict the mainstream narrative.

We need people who are brave enough to put their credibility on the line to open our minds, because time and time again, the dominant way of thinking is flawed and needs to reorient in a certain way.​

"Heloo? Based department"

When you are allergic of an ideology or a trait Prima Facie because it just is, you sort of lose your perspective of why you should prove that ideology/trait to be fundamentally wrong in the first place. It makes you seem irrational.

I mean, unless you're talking to Satan on the flesh, everyone deserve the benefit of doubt.​

 

[Drvladivostok]

Lol it was immediately killed by their mods.

Well shit, must've been shadowbanned, anyone else got different idea?

 

[Cognisant]

We could do a podcast where two or more forumites talk for an hour about a subject we pre-selected and had some time to research. Create an INTPforum podcast channel on YouTube and at the end of each video direct people to the forum if they want to potentially join the cast.

We will get ALL the crazy people.

 

[Puffy]

We could do a podcast where two or more forumites talk for an hour about a subject we pre-selected and had some time to research. Create an INTPforum podcast channel on YouTube and at the end of each video direct people to the forum if they want to potentially join the cast.

We will get ALL the crazy people.

OT has created a podcast like video in the last week and it currently has 12 views. I don't mean to pew-pew that, I think that's typical for someone starting a new channel. But basically us creating a podcast video is no guarantee that someone will view it. We would probably need lots of views for the video to convert into someone joining the forum and even more for that to be people who stick and don't bounce after the first few days of joining.

 

[Haim]

I was interested in this forum because of smart people with certain thinking style, there are none left. Since I am not the type to create new topics if the normies won't open interesting topics then I have nothing to work with.
Maybe someone should use chatgpt to open unhinged topic ideas.

 

[BurnedOut]

I think it's a bloody cop out to blame people for leaving and not having 'smart-enough' people on the forum (and even that's untrue). Everybody seems to have a problem with certain people creating lots of threads. Obviously it's going to seem like people are tooting their own horn but that's not the case. You cannot blame me for playing metalcore in one room of a giant steel factory and then say that the steel mill's homeless population is tired of metalcore propaganda. Why don't you blast your own music, create your own threads?

It is as if people here are thirsting to just have more social engagement notwithstanding the quality of the OP by just being lurkers or commenting and engaging with commentary posts. I don't see the quality of posts going down and there is nobody fighting over anything except in their own threads and even the ones who are fighting with each other very well know that they are engaging the other person just as equally. I don't find the 'conservative' posts any more crappy than the ones I make and they are perfectly good in their quality. If you have a problem with a certain user 'derailing' threads then you can just a) tell them to fuck off b) create another thread if several join the fray. None of that has ever happened in the post-social media intpforum. From time to time somebody is warned for shitposting but even that is an occasional event.

 

[BurnedOut]

We could do a podcast where two or more forumites talk for an hour about a subject we pre-selected and had some time to research. Create an INTPforum podcast channel on YouTube and at the end of each video direct people to the forum if they want to potentially join the cast.

The first one should be shitting on social media and second one on MBTI retardation.

 

[Drvladivostok]

I was interested in this forum because of smart people with certain thinking style, there are none left. Since I am not the type to create new topics if the normies won't open interesting topics then I have nothing to work with.
Maybe someone should use chatgpt to open unhinged topic ideas.

I am offended sir!!

To be completely honest novelty brings its own dillema.

Too uncommon and it brings a certain amount of ominous aspects that might derail the discussion since people are only fammiliar with theirnown scope of ideas.

And its not like originality by itself brings any value, I can write a 2 page word salad on my theory on the Protocols of the Elder Zion but it wouldn't make it any more relevant to any principles of reason.

Minds of objective and impartial tempraments thinks alike.

 

[Haim]

Go for it, due you better have your fact checked if you don't want me to destroy you.
The more obscure the topic is the better, this is what this forum is suppose to be.

 

[dr froyd]

We could do a podcast where two or more forumites talk for an hour about a subject we pre-selected and had some time to research. Create an INTPforum podcast channel on YouTube and at the end of each video direct people to the forum if they want to potentially join the cast.

We will get ALL the crazy people.

OT has created a podcast like video in the last week and it currently has 12 views. I don't mean to pew-pew that, I think that's typical for someone starting a new channel. But basically us creating a podcast video is no guarantee that someone will view it. We would probably need lots of views for the video to convert into someone joining the forum and even more for that to be people who stick and don't bounce after the first few days of joining.

i think its a brilliant idea if one can find people to be on it somewhat regularly.

i wouldn't worry about popularity. If one throws in some MBTI-related stuff here and there it's gonna sit there and accumulate people who look up their MBTI-type and stuff. From there, social-media popularity is all exponential growth. As long as your viewer growth rate is sustainably above 0 you quickly go from 100 views to 10,000.

 

[fractalwalrus]

Just because you get more spice in your forum conversation isn't what you said earlier lmao. Now you're saying something different.

I thought it was the principle of hearing different perspectives not so you can eat popcorn and gasp at the drama.

It is not about drama, it is about discussion. You kind of need another individual for that.

 

[fractalwalrus]

I think that's a good idea

Better than the chaos that would come from bringing 4channers in en masse.

 

[Drvladivostok]

I think the podcast idea is pretty good, we just need a place to hold it, schedules to agree on, and a topic to discuss.

I believe if we're genuinely interested in the discussion at hand and in engaging with eachother, we could carry it out consistently and improving the format each time we go, and I think that's the key in achieving anything.

I think that's a good idea

Better than the chaos that would come from bringing 4channers in en masse.

I believe the 4chan horde is only sustainable in an image board format that incentivice short term and shallow discussion on a topic where there is pure anonimity.

Their behaviour would be disincentivised by the mere virtue of this forum's interface. Hopefully atleast.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

We'd have to to strip mine the threads on the forum for me to risk getting my personal name attached to the website.

Not trying to be a Karen, but yeah, someone would have to delete a bunch of stuff. Not like it'll be gone gone.

It's just a matter of, it's a decision to not adjudicate over the content on the forum.

Not just others but me as well, I for some reason have thousands of post here over the years, Lord knows what I've shared.

 

[fractalwalrus]

I think the podcast idea is pretty good, we just need a place to hold it, schedules to agree on, and a topic to discuss.

I believe if we're genuinely interested in the discussion at hand and in engaging with eachother, we could carry it out consistently and improving the format each time we go, and I think that's the key in achieving anything.

I think that's a good idea

Better than the chaos that would come from bringing 4channers in en masse.

I believe the 4chan horde is only sustainable in an image board format that incentivice short term and shallow discussion on a topic where there is pure anonimity.

Their behaviour would be disincentivised by the mere virtue of this forum's interface. Hopefully atleast.

I contemplated bringing them in with my "riddle_man" arc here (for the sake of solving the puzzle), but decided against it. What if INTP forum needs to be limited in number to remain great?

 

[Hadoblado]

Okay so the antnest has been kicked and people are brawling instead of laying down and taking it. We are in the middle of a revolution on INTPf. Maybe. Probably not.

Lefties are making attack threads against conservatives. Puffy made a thread on conservatives simping for Elon, and Walrus made a thread calling conservatives cucks, and a second thread calling police socialist. These frame the conversation putting conservatives on the defense for once maybe? Will this make the forum great? I don't think so.

First, Cog has his hands tied because I've just told him he needs to slow down on the making of threads (and I'm still enforcing this). This isn't a truly free market of ideas right now. If people spam threads in the other direction they'll get throttled too.

Second, this is still more of the same. The forum will continue to be weighed down by aggressive political rhetoric which fractures us as a community. Most of the talk is pretty low level arguing over semantics (such as what socialism/communism means) which is unproductive. I'm still walking away from conversations out of frustration with them not going anywhere.

Third, you guys don't have the fire in your blood to keep this up. You're larping. You're giving them a taste of their own medicine while you're galvanised right now, but in a month Cog will still be cackling in the trenches while you guys are tired and sobbing. Your relationship with conflict is different, and you will suffer attrition.

Finally, I don't think people will change their minds. I encourage everyone who changes their mind on things as a result of these adversarial conversations to post it here to prove me wrong.

I'm posting this here as a challenge for people to try and make the forum better than my low expectations for it. This isn't the first time Zion has fallen.