lottery

[sushi]

do any intps play, try to crack the lottery or think its a hoax rigged game

 

[Hadoblado]

Nobody would sell lottery tickets if it wasn't profitable. The only way for it to be profitable is if players on average lose more than they win.

 

[fluffy]

As a way of avoiding her problems my mom buys them.

You can win card games by a method called card counting but they will break you legs if they catch you in the casino with their computer detector.

 

[sushi]

Nobody would sell lottery tickets if it wasn't profitable. The only way for it to be profitable is if players on average lose more than they win.

it is less rigged than the casino imo, i have studied past numbers.

i believe a team of intjs or intps can crack the lottery if they work together

its not impossible set like it needs a supercomputer to predict it.

 

[Hadoblado]

What past numbers have you studied and what do you mean by "less rigged"?

 

[Cognisant]

The odds are worse, but the difference is that after a win in a casino you want to keep playing, whereas if you win the lotto you know damn well that's not happening again.

So, at least in theory, you have a better chance of keeping your winnings after a lotto win, than if you won in a casino, where they have various means of encouraging you to keep playing, because in the long run the house always wins.

 

[sushi]

What past numbers have you studied and what do you mean by "less rigged"?

gambling is about cost, randomness and risk

i think those odds and three variables are higher at a casino.

lottery picking is calculable and managable

like you can have 40% to 60% chance if you have right team or enough experience.

 

[Hadoblado]

Okay, I'm basically of the opposite camp.

Regardless of the chances, both are rigged against you by default every time. So unless you can find an edge to get ahead, you're best not playing both. For lotto, there is no edge getting. Their process is unhackable.

Casinos though? There are many ways get an edge, whether that be counting cards, bribing a dealer, or cooperating with a cohort. Poker is a casino game and if you're good you can consistently make money without even cheating. Yes most people lose, but edges are possible.

So IMO, either avoid both, or find an edge at the casino.

 

[fractalwalrus]

I tend to avoid situations that would thrust me into the public eye.

 

[birdsnestfern]

I'm only logging on for a second to answer, but yes, in moderation. For example, I've been to Las Vegas once and Reno maybe 8 times. I tend to win at Bingo, slot machines and Gin Rummy. Its mostly luck, but here are some strategies I use: I only put $40 per day in an envelope that I'm allowed to spend. I only visit casinos once every decade or so, not often. This way, I can not lose more than what I allow myself to lose.
Plus, I get butterflies in my stomach if I pass by a slot machine that is ready to pay. If I pull the handle twice and nothing comes, I keep walking down a row of machines until I feel the butterflies. As soon as the payload comes out, I walk to an ATM to deposit it. I only go to smoke free casinos like the Mirage and Golden Nugget, those are my lucky spots. I have won a jackpot each time I've gone to a Casino.
With Bingo, I listen to which numbers come up most often and chose the slide boards with those numbers. I have won seven out of ten games.
With lottery or Keno, I can pick 3-5 correct of ten numbers, but I don't win that much in those, but I do have some strategies, like playing on Sunday seems to pay better and playing Royal Bucks seems to pay more for me.
My grandparents loved taking us as kids to Lake Tahoe and Reno, Nevada, so I really love the thrill of those places, short term, and not overdoing it.
We used to stay right on Lake Tahoe and enjoy the pretty beach and lake. The food is amazing too, huge buffets for 12.95, steaks, drinks, its so indulgent, I guess thats why they call it Sin City, you can be a glutton for a few days and its too much fun. Favorite show is the O show at the Bellagio, and at Caesars, there are awesome 'reality' type rides too.

This was amazing, expensive, but worth it:

https://www.vegas.com/shows/cirque-du-soleil/o-las-vegas/?msclkid=5101e8e4774b176dc2aa8fe149bd122a&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=US%20Shows%3A%20Cirque%20du%20Soleil&utm_term=o%20tickets%20bellagio&utm_content=O%20by%20Cirque

 

[sushi]

its only 5 numbers or 6 numbers total
(greater than 7 or 8 numbers will probably take a genius or supercomupter)

for

its also highly unlikely that you have four number a set (outliner) and then 1 individual

4+1
(11 13 15 17) 22

5+0
(11 12 13 16 18)
or even all 1s
1+1+1 +1 +1
01 12 23 30 41

most of them are like on standard devilation

2+2+1
(11 14) (20 24) 49

2+1+1 +1
(11 14) 22 33 40

3+1+1

(11 14 17) 33 44

3+2

(01 05 07) (22 23)

 

[Hadoblado]

It's random Sushi.

Why would they ever want to put patterns in it? What possible purpose could that serve? All that would do is make the numbers predictable, which would lose them a lot of money fast.

You are seeing patterns after the fact. If there really is a systematic pattern, you should be able to predict if before the fact. And if you do you're an instant billionaire.

 

[sushi]

It's random Sushi.

Why would they ever want to put patterns in it? What possible purpose could that serve? All that would do is make the numbers predictable, which would lose them a lot of money fast.

You are seeing patterns after the fact. If there really is a systematic pattern, you should be able to predict if before the fact. And if you do you're an instant billionaire.

Hadoblado, so you are implying that probably takes a supercomputer to know all the permutations and randomness?

i think like lower than 6-7 numbers is not beyond a single human. ( a team of people will be much easier)

as for very low odds, how much does it take to become as rich as jeff bezos, how much does it take to conquer like alexander the great

everything involving massive success has low odds and probability in this universe.

 

[dr froyd]

if you believe the balls are random, then all sequences have the same probability

i.e. you can't make a profit

 

[Hadoblado]

It's random Sushi.

Why would they ever want to put patterns in it? What possible purpose could that serve? All that would do is make the numbers predictable, which would lose them a lot of money fast.

You are seeing patterns after the fact. If there really is a systematic pattern, you should be able to predict if before the fact. And if you do you're an instant billionaire.

Hadoblado, so you are implying that probably takes a supercomputer to know all the permutations and randomness?

i think like lower than 6-7 numbers is not beyond a single human. ( a team of people will be much easier)

as for very low odds, how much does it take to become as rich as jeff bezos, how much does it take to conquer like alexander the great

everything involving massive success has low odds and probability in this universe.

This:

if you believe the balls are random, then all sequences have the same probability

i.e. you can't make a profit

A supercomputer doesn't magically adjust odds, it can only calculate them.

You and some other members here tend to jump to the most complicated approach while ignoring much simpler and more effective approaches. You only need to understand that each selection is equally likely and extrapolate from there.

This is high school level math. You're massively overthinking it. Not everything requires a genius or a supercomputer or machine learning or divine inspiration.

 

[fluffy]

The lotto is like a big random number generator. If you were to try and find the odds it would require a computer bigger than the universe.

But hey if you have any ideas don't stop trying. You can learn and have fun.

 

[birdsnestfern]

if you believe the balls are random, then all sequences have the same probability

i.e. you can't make a profit

With bingo where the balls are airshot up, some balls come up much more often, maybe due to their weights are a bit different. So I could listen and chose the ones that were more frequent. some types of lottery use those ping pong balls and that’s one idea.

or, with closed eyes you might see a number and chose that or run your finger over a list of numbers and sense a feeling with fingertips over the winners with touch. Can experiment to see if your fingers can do that.

 

[fluffy]

if you believe the balls are random, then all sequences have the same probability

i.e. you can't make a profit

With bingo where the balls are airshot up, some balls come up much more often, maybe due to their weights are a bit different. So I could listen and chose the ones that were more frequent. some types of lottery use those ping pong balls and that’s one idea.

or, with closed eyes you might see a number and chose that or run your finger over a list of numbers and sense a feeling with fingertips over the winners with touch. Can experiment to see if your fingers can do that.

Sheldon Cooper goes to Vegas.

 

[birdsnestfern]

: ) Good example!

 

[Hadoblado]

The lotto is like a big random number generator. If you were to try and find the odds it would require a computer bigger than the universe.

But hey if you have any ideas don't stop trying. You can learn and have fun.

It really wouldn't though. I'm not mathy or a genius or a computer bigger than the universe. I'm sure I'll get something wrong but it'd look a bit like this:

C = total options
n = possibilities for each ball
r = number of balls drawn

C(n,r) = n!/r(n-r)!

C(50, 6) = 50!/6!(50-6)!

= 50!/6!*44!
= 50*49*48*47*46*45/6!
= 50*49*48*47*46*45/(6*5*4*3*2*1)
= 11,441,304,000/720
= 15,890,800

So there are a total of 15,890,800 total possible combinations for drawing six balls all of which can be one of 50 options. Your chance of drawing any particular combination is therefore 1/15,890,800.

Knowing this does not allow me to win lottery. All it does is convince me not to participate in the lottery.

 

[fluffy]

The lotto is like a big random number generator. If you were to try and find the odds it would require a computer bigger than the universe.

But hey if you have any ideas don't stop trying. You can learn and have fun.

It really wouldn't though. I'm not mathy or a genius or a computer bigger than the universe. I'm sure I'll get something wrong but it'd look a bit like this:

C = total options
n = possibilities for each ball
r = number of balls drawn

C(n,r) = n!/r(n-r)!

C(50, 6) = 50!/6!(50-6)!

= 50!/6!*44!
= 50*49*48*47*46*45/6!
= 50*49*48*47*46*45/(6*5*4*3*2*1)
= 11,441,304,000/720
= 15,890,800

So there are a total of 15,890,800 total possible combinations for drawing six balls all of which can be one of 50 options. Your chance of drawing any particular combination is therefore 1/15,890,800.

Knowing this does not allow me to win lottery. All it does is convince me not to participate in the lottery.

The analogy to what your saying is that for you to win it would be like expecting to find a dollar fall from the sky every time you walk out of a restraint with no on following you to do so by intention 300 time in a row. In other words you can grab a number but the number will not be generated same each and every time. This is what they do for Pokemon cards. One rare card exists in all millions packs. But it could be you don't get the same card each time. Charizard wins one year but Bulbasaur the next but then the previous rare card is not used to determine the winner each time. Charizard become worthless if when you need Bulbasaur out of a million card packs and a different Pokemon chosen each year. New Pokemon are created for the millions of packs next year that's worthless the next million packs.

 

[Hadoblado]

Are you talking about coins materialising out of the sky, or the chance of drawing a particular card from a booster, or fluctuations in card price over time? I don't really see how any clarify our understanding of the lottery.

Your writing feels confused to me. I haven't had this much difficulty understanding your posts in like 10 years. Everything alright?

 

[fluffy]

@Hadoblado

You get something different each time.

Like a million cards Deck is created and one card wins. But then the deck is created with a new random wining card. The probability is the same each new deck, one in a million. There is no way to calculate it because you're dealing with a new deck all the time. This is the same for ball lattos.

Pokemon cards was however something I thought of like winning McDonald's monopoly. Every year they changed the game pieces. So winning is nearly impossible for a million dollars.

 

[fluffy]

People can find a dollar bill on the street at random but to have it happen all the time is impossible. The odds just increase all the time. For many things like that. So winning lattos are never consistent. Finding dollar bills on the street is never consistent.

 

[dr froyd]

ive never played lotto, but you might have to draw a specific permutation? So 50! / (50 - 5)! outcomes or something?

anyway, if you want to gain an edge gambling, it's been done a few different ways (none of which entailed predicting a regular lottery), for example:
1. if you're dealing with an electronic casino you can try to figure out the random-number-generator (RNG) algo. It's probably next to impossible but I've heard about such a case before. It was genius-level shit, because you need to know 1) the specific RNG method (there's many different ones), and 2) figure out the RNG state by observing the sequence of draws it produces. If you achieve this, you can predict with 100% certainty the subsequent sequence of draws. But.. someone running a casino with a crackable RNG would be a very stupid mistake and would be an exceptionally rare occurrence.
2. some lotteries have a bunch of rules for how they accumulate the money in the pot, like when nobody guessed the right number for a long time the pot growths while the price of each ticket remains constant. Ive heard in some cases you can get a slightly positive expected return on these. This of course doesn't mean you can predict anything, it just means your odds are good enough to take the bet.
3. play a game where it's actually possible to gain an edge fairly - like sports betting or poker.

and then of course you have the biggest casino of them all (where i play) - financial markets

 

[ZenRaiden]

I don't know much about lotto, but the way they do it with eurojackpot which is 90 mil euro, is that they pool thousand people then they get 1000 tickets and then they have high chance of winning. Instead of playing winner takes all, they divide the win among 1000. Obviously numbers vary from group to group. But if you are smart you can win like this pretty likely.