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Please read this. And use arguments for or against this text and views presented.
In life, instead of progress, there is regress. It's best when you are young, and then, day by day its worse and worse. Not surprised so many people use drugs, alcohol, antidepressants to kill that truth in them.
That's why old people's marriages are having wars and depression. And also, old people realize how they were scammed, but it's too late, they already made children and contributed to world and society. And same mistake will be made by their children. And that's how it goes, for thousands of years, from generation to generation.
If genes/evolution would make being old and dying fun, then I'd contributed to world and had children. But it's not. Living is shit, and being old/dying pure hell. Being old and dying is so shitty because all people don't care about that, if we started to care and boycott genes/world/society (by not working, not having children, by not living) then it would have to improve or... people who care about being old and dying would extinct, only short-term thinking impulsive people would stay and reproducted.
We always hear "be optimistic", "you are young, have fun!", "don't worry so much about future", and we use that advice, then we wake up being 40+ years and realizing we were only used/scammed by genes and that life is shit and we will just become sick and die in pain.
Do you feel any pleasure from eating 14 days ago? Do you feel pleasure from having doing something 10 years ago? You don't even remember it. The point is, only NOW matters, even if previously you was rich happy guy but now have cancer, you will feel like shit. Dosen't matter you were happy before.
That's why I wanted to plan to have passive income, good health etc, so I will feel good when I'm older. The thing is, I can't do anything to feel good when old and dying. I can't do anything to feel good when I will have alzheimer's. I can't do anything to being old and people not liking me because I'm old. Everybody likes young people, they are beautiful. Old are shit, ugly, useless. And can't "plan" to not be such at old age. Can't do nothing. And having consiousness of that, there is no point in doing anything, no point of living, having money, kids, woman, no point in anything. Because i'm gonna lose everything and feel like shit and die.
Or you might think: "I won't lose everything, because I will pass genes and memes." Sure, but will you be happy from that when you'll be old, sick person? No you won't.
There is no point for old people being happy. They are useless so it's better for genes/world/society to kill them, or have them depressed so they suicide. That is probably reason why people use tobacco, alcohol, drugs, and live unhealthy.
Sure, you will be happy when you 20-25 year old fucking your girl/wife. Because you are needed now, for genes/world/society, so have your fun... after you make children/pass memes/work/contribute to world, after you do all that, then you are useless for us (genes/world/society) so we will make your life hell, and kill you. We will use you, manipulate you, so you do what we want and need, and after you make your mission, you will be annihilated. That's the world. That's the society. That's the humanity. That's the human.
And this is so shitty as an intp. As an intp, I want constant improve, improve of world, observe it growing, and improve myself. I want to be smarter, more wise, have more skills, more money. But this is not how it is in this world, I will achieve my maximum/peak at 20-30 years old, and then will slowly lose everything, my knowledge, my intelligence, my memory, my assets, my beauty, my woman's beauty, my sex drive, my life drive, my happynes, my mental clearness, my health, and then, my life. Whatever you do, whatever intelligent you are, whatever good did you for people and world, it all dosen't matter. You will end up like I described. And they won't respect you for what you did to world, even your children won't respect you that much even though you gave them life. They will call you less often and less often, visit you rarely. And if they visit, it's only because they think they should do that, not because they want.
I don't want to suffer all this. I don't want.
We are the slaves of genes. They control us. We do what they want, then they kill us in pain and being old. We need to boycott them. We can't accept such thing, they are scamming us. I could do what they expect from me, under condition that it won't be so bad after I make my "mission", but it is bad, very bad. People need to realize that and boycott them, or we have to invent how to make being old and dying less bad and suffering. If we had some real "antidepressants" (not ones that make you suicide), and if we used them when old, and then maybe load big dose when sick and very old, and have euthanasion. I don't know. How do you want your eldery and death be like? Please tell me.
You can have children or make memes, but it dosen't matter. Just like *you* are not your father or mother. You have your own self-consiousness. And that's the thing that makes you living and thinking human, having self-consiousness. When you die, you lose it. You are done, totally. Your children won't have part of your self-consiousness, they will have other, brand new. There will be no your memory in your children brains. And the memory is core part of self-consiousness. You will lose that, and your body will be eaten by worms. Your life is shit, it's worth shit, we don't need you or care about you. Human is worth zero. Just like you was created from nothing, then you will be turned into nothing. Where was your self-consiousness in year 1850? Asking, because it will be in same place when you die. Also, who is the "person"? I'm not the person I was 5 or 10 years ago. Who am i? And when next 5 years will pass, who am I compared to me today? I don't understand what is a person. Like I said, core part of self-consiousness, and a person, is a memory. In 5 years I will forget most things and situations, I will have different views and thinking. And what if the person lose memory? What if person have dementia?
We are not even the same person in our lifes. It's modified by our organism, we are loaded with hormones and other stuff, it has serious impact on who we are. First they make us child who plays with toys and is having fun, then they make us a person to find spouse and have children, then they modify us to raise that children (we are happy to this point), then it modify us to being old depressed useless people, and they just can't wait till we die, so we don't use resources, which could be used for younger, better people. Because old people are bad investition. They are not needed, and will die. So we invest everything into young then. Children are happy, the are happy just by eating and playing toys. The best part of my life was childhood, even that I had many problems, even health problems and pain. But I was happy so I could live with pain from my health issues. And when you will be old you will be depressed even if you didn't had health problems. You become less and less happy as the genes/society/world need you less and less, they make you less happy.
Also, almost every human makes children. And wants them to care about him when he is old, which is not always the case. And this child will also make children. And it will have different genes combination etc so some children will end up as sick/mentally sick/suicide etc. And every one of us or our children or grandchildren can end up like this. That's why I was thinking of some way that we would care about every human that is unable to have normal life, so we provide him food etc and so he can live and then die with respect. The only thing is, that this human shouldn't have children on his own. Maybe he will be allowed if he pays all his debt from using public services, public food etc. Also maybe we should encourage depressed, sick etc people to not have children. But almost everybody wants to have them. But if he didn't, he could save his children from suffering he had. But what about eldery/dying of this person? We need quality services for such people. So they can feel good before and during their death.
I'm so first world. My first world problems. And then look at Africa or somewhere, where thousands people birth, die, kill themselves every day.
I had problems as child. It was driving me to live, I wanted to escape. Now I don't have that problems, yet I have much less life drive. Seems similar to when after World War II there was such big fertility rate. Maybe that's the problem of my life, and problem of first world people - they are secure, safe, nobody wants to kill them, they have food, and even TV. In previous time, humans didn't even had time to think about such things and post some stupid internet posts/threads like this, they had to look if wolf isn't near to eat them, they had to look for food every day etc. But many people do this in modern days, by working all days (8-10 hours/day) in offices. So they don't have time to think or introspect or reflect.
But back to previous topic. Every one of us can and up like poor depressed sick people. Or our children or grandchildren can someday. How to protect from that?
Also had idea for something like this: when there is man and woman, they could test genetically or just think who they are. If they both were very paranoid or depressed or anxious etc, they are bad combination, as child can be even more like this. It could test for organical/genetic diseases too. But wait, didn't man and woman got together because of "love"? So that idea won't be wanted to be used by many.
I'm not only scared of my future suffering as old person, I'm scared of possible suffering of my eventual kids, grandkids, or just other people at all. I don't like suffering. Help me.
Life is a shitty thing, but it's nice until you are about 40-50 and have raised kids, then you start realize how life is bad and that you will die. But you made kids already. And they (children) are in this same hell now. You don't tell them anything about life being shit when old, you keep secret for yourself. Your kids will find this secret when they will became 40-50 on their own, having their own children... loop of hell.
You are going to be sick, slow, have pain. Be alone, depressed. But its already too late, as you made your children. And they (children) dosen't know this loop-of-hell secret, they will know it when they be old and have their own children. Again, too late. I'm exepction, who realized that sooner.
And if you have some problems like disease, mental disease, and you young, its gonna be hell at old age, even more hell than normally it is. Even young, healthy, optimistic, happy people become depressed sick old people. It always end like this (unless you die earlier).
If you don't believe me just ask old people on chats/internets (anonymous) about all that I'm talking about. But you probably won't find them on chats. They don't even use computer. They just spend all day on bed, eat, have pain, and wait for their death.
Maybe better it's to take your's life before becoming old and sick, with alzheimer's?
Even if your children care about you when you old, you still be sick and bad. Also you will feel like you ruin their lives, that you are useless obstacle that they have to care about. Now I realize why so many people don't care about their health, drink alcohol, use tobacco etc, maybe they want to die quicker, and not suffer so long, and won't be "obstacle" for their children?
Everything is focused on young people. Radio stations, entertainment, everything. Old people are only to die.
Maybe it would be good to suicide when you are having some good time? Maybe use big amount of narcotics?
You can't be a human but have mind like robot, mind without hypocrisy. I can't handle it. I see harsh "truth" everywhere, and its very harsh truth. "Depressive realism" its called. As "normal" people are under influence of some drugs like dopamine, optimism, happynes etc.
On the other hand I don't even know what "realism" or "truth" could mean. Where is the proof that "depressive realism" is a realism, not negativistic instead? I gained "truth", and can say that it's worth shit. But it's too late to become deluded hypocrised person. It went too far.
Maybe be old but take some drugs, and someday just use big amounts to kill yourself.
Actually, in these days, majority of old people take antidepressants. Well, even many young people take them. The older you are the more depressed you are, the more sick you are. It's science proven correlation. As you live it's worse and worse every day. I want vice versa, but it's not possible.
One idea could be to invent a way to painless kill all people who become "old" so they and their family won't suffer. But it's a sick idea. Well, they have that smoking/alcohol/etc already for that, which shortens life, but it's not painless dying.
Young people have dreams, are happy, have so much time in front of them... but then time runs out quickly when you under influence of love, optimism and other narcotics. Time goes on and you end up in very very bad position, and you cannot turn back. Cannot fix mistakes you did, cannot repeat life, cannot anything. Can only regret. Or even regret that you were born.
Them philosophical pessimism. Them existential nihilism.
Btw.I'm also "used by genes" at all times, also while writing this text. I am just fullfilling my needs. No big difference between me writing this text and other people having sex, or people intoxicating with drugs, or woman giving a childbirth.
You can't escape from genes controlling you. You are designed to protect them and carry further. We are robots designed for that. That's our duty. Even if I think for 30 years, I won't escape from being human. Suicide? Can be made, it's kind of boycott. But even suicide is move within life game, society/world/genes will only gain if you suicided being person who dosen't contribute for them. Maybe destroying world is a better boycott? But I doubt genes/world/society tandem will allow you, I doubt you would even allow yourself to do that.
Yes, genes don't have brain, don't have self-consiousness, they don't think. But it dosen't matter. What matters is we are designed to copy, protect, and carry them further. We are exploted, as when we are no longer needed, we become old, sick, disrespected, and we die in pain, alone, depressed.
Or maybe could get a girlfriend and suicide with her when young and in love, so at least I will be happy while dying?
Do you know any old person who is happy? Do you know any people with alzheimer's that are happy? I don't even see 40+ year olds without depression. Btw. I am not counting people that use drugs, alcohol or antidepressants. Mayority of 40+ age people do use them for their mood problems.
Life is kind of credit/loan - you have best times when you are young, then you pay that by having children and working, and raising children, and even later you also pay this loan by being old, sick, depressed person who will die. It should be inverted, I want first to have bad times, and then improve and improve, have better times. I can't accept such life. I hate loans.
I can't even have fun from being young because of fear and consiousness of being old/dying.
And even if you have fun at young times, you still will be sick depressed person when old and dying. Dosen't matter what you did in life.
You will always regret being alive. That's the human life, aka. "LOOP OF HELL". That is my testament. Have a good day.
In life, instead of progress, there is regress. It's best when you are young, and then, day by day its worse and worse. Not surprised so many people use drugs, alcohol, antidepressants to kill that truth in them.
That's why old people's marriages are having wars and depression. And also, old people realize how they were scammed, but it's too late, they already made children and contributed to world and society. And same mistake will be made by their children. And that's how it goes, for thousands of years, from generation to generation.
If genes/evolution would make being old and dying fun, then I'd contributed to world and had children. But it's not. Living is shit, and being old/dying pure hell. Being old and dying is so shitty because all people don't care about that, if we started to care and boycott genes/world/society (by not working, not having children, by not living) then it would have to improve or... people who care about being old and dying would extinct, only short-term thinking impulsive people would stay and reproducted.
We always hear "be optimistic", "you are young, have fun!", "don't worry so much about future", and we use that advice, then we wake up being 40+ years and realizing we were only used/scammed by genes and that life is shit and we will just become sick and die in pain.
Do you feel any pleasure from eating 14 days ago? Do you feel pleasure from having doing something 10 years ago? You don't even remember it. The point is, only NOW matters, even if previously you was rich happy guy but now have cancer, you will feel like shit. Dosen't matter you were happy before.
That's why I wanted to plan to have passive income, good health etc, so I will feel good when I'm older. The thing is, I can't do anything to feel good when old and dying. I can't do anything to feel good when I will have alzheimer's. I can't do anything to being old and people not liking me because I'm old. Everybody likes young people, they are beautiful. Old are shit, ugly, useless. And can't "plan" to not be such at old age. Can't do nothing. And having consiousness of that, there is no point in doing anything, no point of living, having money, kids, woman, no point in anything. Because i'm gonna lose everything and feel like shit and die.
Or you might think: "I won't lose everything, because I will pass genes and memes." Sure, but will you be happy from that when you'll be old, sick person? No you won't.
There is no point for old people being happy. They are useless so it's better for genes/world/society to kill them, or have them depressed so they suicide. That is probably reason why people use tobacco, alcohol, drugs, and live unhealthy.
Sure, you will be happy when you 20-25 year old fucking your girl/wife. Because you are needed now, for genes/world/society, so have your fun... after you make children/pass memes/work/contribute to world, after you do all that, then you are useless for us (genes/world/society) so we will make your life hell, and kill you. We will use you, manipulate you, so you do what we want and need, and after you make your mission, you will be annihilated. That's the world. That's the society. That's the humanity. That's the human.
And this is so shitty as an intp. As an intp, I want constant improve, improve of world, observe it growing, and improve myself. I want to be smarter, more wise, have more skills, more money. But this is not how it is in this world, I will achieve my maximum/peak at 20-30 years old, and then will slowly lose everything, my knowledge, my intelligence, my memory, my assets, my beauty, my woman's beauty, my sex drive, my life drive, my happynes, my mental clearness, my health, and then, my life. Whatever you do, whatever intelligent you are, whatever good did you for people and world, it all dosen't matter. You will end up like I described. And they won't respect you for what you did to world, even your children won't respect you that much even though you gave them life. They will call you less often and less often, visit you rarely. And if they visit, it's only because they think they should do that, not because they want.
I don't want to suffer all this. I don't want.
We are the slaves of genes. They control us. We do what they want, then they kill us in pain and being old. We need to boycott them. We can't accept such thing, they are scamming us. I could do what they expect from me, under condition that it won't be so bad after I make my "mission", but it is bad, very bad. People need to realize that and boycott them, or we have to invent how to make being old and dying less bad and suffering. If we had some real "antidepressants" (not ones that make you suicide), and if we used them when old, and then maybe load big dose when sick and very old, and have euthanasion. I don't know. How do you want your eldery and death be like? Please tell me.
You can have children or make memes, but it dosen't matter. Just like *you* are not your father or mother. You have your own self-consiousness. And that's the thing that makes you living and thinking human, having self-consiousness. When you die, you lose it. You are done, totally. Your children won't have part of your self-consiousness, they will have other, brand new. There will be no your memory in your children brains. And the memory is core part of self-consiousness. You will lose that, and your body will be eaten by worms. Your life is shit, it's worth shit, we don't need you or care about you. Human is worth zero. Just like you was created from nothing, then you will be turned into nothing. Where was your self-consiousness in year 1850? Asking, because it will be in same place when you die. Also, who is the "person"? I'm not the person I was 5 or 10 years ago. Who am i? And when next 5 years will pass, who am I compared to me today? I don't understand what is a person. Like I said, core part of self-consiousness, and a person, is a memory. In 5 years I will forget most things and situations, I will have different views and thinking. And what if the person lose memory? What if person have dementia?
We are not even the same person in our lifes. It's modified by our organism, we are loaded with hormones and other stuff, it has serious impact on who we are. First they make us child who plays with toys and is having fun, then they make us a person to find spouse and have children, then they modify us to raise that children (we are happy to this point), then it modify us to being old depressed useless people, and they just can't wait till we die, so we don't use resources, which could be used for younger, better people. Because old people are bad investition. They are not needed, and will die. So we invest everything into young then. Children are happy, the are happy just by eating and playing toys. The best part of my life was childhood, even that I had many problems, even health problems and pain. But I was happy so I could live with pain from my health issues. And when you will be old you will be depressed even if you didn't had health problems. You become less and less happy as the genes/society/world need you less and less, they make you less happy.
Also, almost every human makes children. And wants them to care about him when he is old, which is not always the case. And this child will also make children. And it will have different genes combination etc so some children will end up as sick/mentally sick/suicide etc. And every one of us or our children or grandchildren can end up like this. That's why I was thinking of some way that we would care about every human that is unable to have normal life, so we provide him food etc and so he can live and then die with respect. The only thing is, that this human shouldn't have children on his own. Maybe he will be allowed if he pays all his debt from using public services, public food etc. Also maybe we should encourage depressed, sick etc people to not have children. But almost everybody wants to have them. But if he didn't, he could save his children from suffering he had. But what about eldery/dying of this person? We need quality services for such people. So they can feel good before and during their death.
I'm so first world. My first world problems. And then look at Africa or somewhere, where thousands people birth, die, kill themselves every day.
I had problems as child. It was driving me to live, I wanted to escape. Now I don't have that problems, yet I have much less life drive. Seems similar to when after World War II there was such big fertility rate. Maybe that's the problem of my life, and problem of first world people - they are secure, safe, nobody wants to kill them, they have food, and even TV. In previous time, humans didn't even had time to think about such things and post some stupid internet posts/threads like this, they had to look if wolf isn't near to eat them, they had to look for food every day etc. But many people do this in modern days, by working all days (8-10 hours/day) in offices. So they don't have time to think or introspect or reflect.
But back to previous topic. Every one of us can and up like poor depressed sick people. Or our children or grandchildren can someday. How to protect from that?
Also had idea for something like this: when there is man and woman, they could test genetically or just think who they are. If they both were very paranoid or depressed or anxious etc, they are bad combination, as child can be even more like this. It could test for organical/genetic diseases too. But wait, didn't man and woman got together because of "love"? So that idea won't be wanted to be used by many.
I'm not only scared of my future suffering as old person, I'm scared of possible suffering of my eventual kids, grandkids, or just other people at all. I don't like suffering. Help me.
Life is a shitty thing, but it's nice until you are about 40-50 and have raised kids, then you start realize how life is bad and that you will die. But you made kids already. And they (children) are in this same hell now. You don't tell them anything about life being shit when old, you keep secret for yourself. Your kids will find this secret when they will became 40-50 on their own, having their own children... loop of hell.
You are going to be sick, slow, have pain. Be alone, depressed. But its already too late, as you made your children. And they (children) dosen't know this loop-of-hell secret, they will know it when they be old and have their own children. Again, too late. I'm exepction, who realized that sooner.
And if you have some problems like disease, mental disease, and you young, its gonna be hell at old age, even more hell than normally it is. Even young, healthy, optimistic, happy people become depressed sick old people. It always end like this (unless you die earlier).
If you don't believe me just ask old people on chats/internets (anonymous) about all that I'm talking about. But you probably won't find them on chats. They don't even use computer. They just spend all day on bed, eat, have pain, and wait for their death.
Maybe better it's to take your's life before becoming old and sick, with alzheimer's?
Even if your children care about you when you old, you still be sick and bad. Also you will feel like you ruin their lives, that you are useless obstacle that they have to care about. Now I realize why so many people don't care about their health, drink alcohol, use tobacco etc, maybe they want to die quicker, and not suffer so long, and won't be "obstacle" for their children?
Everything is focused on young people. Radio stations, entertainment, everything. Old people are only to die.
Maybe it would be good to suicide when you are having some good time? Maybe use big amount of narcotics?
You can't be a human but have mind like robot, mind without hypocrisy. I can't handle it. I see harsh "truth" everywhere, and its very harsh truth. "Depressive realism" its called. As "normal" people are under influence of some drugs like dopamine, optimism, happynes etc.
On the other hand I don't even know what "realism" or "truth" could mean. Where is the proof that "depressive realism" is a realism, not negativistic instead? I gained "truth", and can say that it's worth shit. But it's too late to become deluded hypocrised person. It went too far.
Maybe be old but take some drugs, and someday just use big amounts to kill yourself.
Actually, in these days, majority of old people take antidepressants. Well, even many young people take them. The older you are the more depressed you are, the more sick you are. It's science proven correlation. As you live it's worse and worse every day. I want vice versa, but it's not possible.
One idea could be to invent a way to painless kill all people who become "old" so they and their family won't suffer. But it's a sick idea. Well, they have that smoking/alcohol/etc already for that, which shortens life, but it's not painless dying.
Young people have dreams, are happy, have so much time in front of them... but then time runs out quickly when you under influence of love, optimism and other narcotics. Time goes on and you end up in very very bad position, and you cannot turn back. Cannot fix mistakes you did, cannot repeat life, cannot anything. Can only regret. Or even regret that you were born.
Them philosophical pessimism. Them existential nihilism.
Btw.I'm also "used by genes" at all times, also while writing this text. I am just fullfilling my needs. No big difference between me writing this text and other people having sex, or people intoxicating with drugs, or woman giving a childbirth.
You can't escape from genes controlling you. You are designed to protect them and carry further. We are robots designed for that. That's our duty. Even if I think for 30 years, I won't escape from being human. Suicide? Can be made, it's kind of boycott. But even suicide is move within life game, society/world/genes will only gain if you suicided being person who dosen't contribute for them. Maybe destroying world is a better boycott? But I doubt genes/world/society tandem will allow you, I doubt you would even allow yourself to do that.
Yes, genes don't have brain, don't have self-consiousness, they don't think. But it dosen't matter. What matters is we are designed to copy, protect, and carry them further. We are exploted, as when we are no longer needed, we become old, sick, disrespected, and we die in pain, alone, depressed.
Or maybe could get a girlfriend and suicide with her when young and in love, so at least I will be happy while dying?
Do you know any old person who is happy? Do you know any people with alzheimer's that are happy? I don't even see 40+ year olds without depression. Btw. I am not counting people that use drugs, alcohol or antidepressants. Mayority of 40+ age people do use them for their mood problems.
Life is kind of credit/loan - you have best times when you are young, then you pay that by having children and working, and raising children, and even later you also pay this loan by being old, sick, depressed person who will die. It should be inverted, I want first to have bad times, and then improve and improve, have better times. I can't accept such life. I hate loans.
I can't even have fun from being young because of fear and consiousness of being old/dying.
And even if you have fun at young times, you still will be sick depressed person when old and dying. Dosen't matter what you did in life.
You will always regret being alive. That's the human life, aka. "LOOP OF HELL". That is my testament. Have a good day.
