Logic

[AndyC]

I'm not sure if it's just me, but my logic seems to be quite selective. I don't rationalize everything I see, most of the time I guess I'm either perceiving or thinking about something other than what I'm doing with minimum detail. When I talk, I normally avoid fallacy, but not too much more than most people I know. I find I just don't tend to use Ti all that much, or my conception of it is off. I have transitioned from an F-T, not sure how but I am confident that an F is far from what I am now. I'm alright with being logical about anything abstract, like mathematics or philosophy, I'll wreck anyone who crosses me here, and scientific stuff, although that all fits in the same realm. I'm not sure if this is to with S and N, because people who normally seem to apply Ti alot more than me are good with 'exterior' things, things that aren't abstract or internal. This could be Te, not sure. But I know who is probably an ENTP, and they seem to out-logic me, could be my own lack of effort, I don't know. I have a couple ideas for how or why this is so, but I'm just wondering if this is common.

 

[QuickTwist]

For me, tbh, it has a whole lot more to do about being human that any T/F S/N dichotomy. I would say what you are experiencing is pretty normal for a person with above average intelligence. Its about self actualization and the discovery of what makes you you. Some people who are highly intelligent that tend to be very introspective deal with realizing themselves almost to their detriment. Like your other thread, suffering is inevitable and those with the capabilities to understand simply suffer a different kind of suffering not necessarily tied to experience but the thought process behind it.

 

[AndyC]

Positive Disintegration?

It's because of this I tend to avoid typing myself, discrepancies are too easy to spot. I find consistency is impossible because my reason will always be under the influence of bias via perceived identity and the comfort of consistency.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Well, I did have the impression from the start that you were an INFJ... (like myself)

- and certainly learning at a tremendous rate; kudos

 

[AndyC]

Interesting you had that impression, might I ask what led you to that conclusion or was it simply intuition?
I am definitely far from J, I always score over 95% on the P for any MBTI test. T, I'm not sure but I have quite a limited range of emotions. I, like many other INTP's have described on the forum, can at times find myself in states in which I drown in beautiful, I guess poetic oceans of tormented nihilism and displacement. The feeling is something that can have great power over me, and it may take days to get out of it, it is sometimes overwhelmingly sad, but equally beautiful. The beauty makes it dangerous, it makes me want to dwell in the feeling, but if you stare too long into the abyss, you may become the abyss, F.N. said something along those lines. It's easy to get lost in our dreams, for they have no boundaries, and that is the wise man's predicament. I take solice in mystery for this very case, it makes reality more than just what I perceive, discovery is our limited adventure.
I apologise for rambling and going off topic.

 

[2babylon]

I'm not well versed in all the function lingo you used (never bothered to really learn it), but I think I can understand selective logic... I find it's easier for me to reason things I think need to be reasoned over, and since I spend a lot of time contemplating many things, it can sometimes feel like I've reasoned over everything I encounter, but that's not the case. When I get hit with curveballs, things outside of my breadth of knowledge, I have to slow down and reason on the spot. This agitates people around me and sometimes it can make me seem dumb about "simple" things (which I will also ask many questions about to give me more to understand).

As for getting lost in emotional contemplation, I try not to do that anymore. DBT helped me separate my logical self from my emotional self; helped me understand how to escape rumination over my emotions and myself. I'm not perfect, but I'm not as bad as I used to be. I still allow myself to get lost in the beauty around me, and even feel it, but when I space out like that, I can usually come down easily, or let it envelope me in a way where I can feel the light of the cosmic energy flowing outward rather than settling inside only.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Interesting you had that impression, might I ask what led you to that conclusion or was it simply intuition?
I am definitely far from J, I always score over 95% on the P for any MBTI test. T, I'm not sure but I have quite a limited range of emotions. I, like many other INTP's have described on the forum, can at times find myself in states in which I drown in beautiful, I guess poetic oceans of tormented nihilism and displacement. The feeling is something that can have great power over me, and it may take days to get out of it, it is sometimes overwhelmingly sad, but equally beautiful. The beauty makes it dangerous, it makes me want to dwell in the feeling, but if you stare too long into the abyss, you may become the abyss, F.N. said something along those lines. It's easy to get lost in our dreams, for they have no boundaries, and that is the wise man's predicament. I take solice in mystery for this very case, it makes reality more than just what I perceive, discovery is our limited adventure.
I apologise for rambling and going off topic.

Well, hey, it's your topic!

I think it was a sense of "this person thinks in a similar manner to how I think".

I wouldn't place too much stock in the MBTI test. Cognitive functions are the better way to look at it, but there's barely any useful information on them from the majority of sources. I've thought on the problem for 6 years and only just recently gotten to the point where I can "see" it, but I'm far from having a decent typing ability.

I'll just say - don't fear the unknown.

 

[AndyC]

Our ideals probably share equal grounding.
Like a black hole, it's gravity will continue to grow the more I feed it, but if I visit it, I'm afraid I may get sucked in as well.