"Like" buttons for posts including threads?

[Brontosaurie]

how do we feel about this now?

 

[Cherry Cola]

Im for anonymous like buttons if we also have anonymous dislike buttons, as an experiment for a month or so, I think it would get tiresome in the long run :P

 

[Brontosaurie]

Im for anonymous like buttons if we also have anonymous dislike buttons, as an experiment for a month or so, I think it would get tiresome in the long run :P

yes, anonymous ones is what i'd want too. not sure if "Dislike" is necessary?

tiresome how? it's an optional non-intrusive feature, at least in "theory" or smth.

 

[Lot]

Im for anonymous like buttons if we also have anonymous dislike buttons, as an experiment for a month or so, I think it would get tiresome in the long run :P

Anonymous likes this post

 

[EyeSeeCold]

At its most basic a "like" is:
a notification
an approval
public


A notification would be more suited for quoted posts so that a member can be directed within some ancient or highly active thread. Otherwise I don't see why a VM/PM wouldn't suffice for acknowledgement for another user's post as these are sent to the inbox.

Knowing that someone appreciates your post is cool, however as a (small) community encouraging generic wordless-ness is probably not in the best interests of the forum. It's true sometimes you may not feel like you have anything worthwhile to respond with but again I think a VM would be useful here, you could just leave a short message of recognition for the poster.

Public likes would also clutter up the forum's presentation with trivial information.


What would persuade me is if the likes could be made private where only the sender/receiver sees them, because best case scenario the forum becomes more outspoken and integrated and worst case scenario appeals to "like" authority and the cascading effects will poison the integrity of communications.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

i dont like the intp forum on personality cafe because most of the posts there are too try hard(because of the "thanks" button, I suspect)...so hmmm I think it's better not to add a feature like that

 

[TheManBeyond]

yeah add those

 

[Yellow]

I voted no because as far as I can tell, the potential issues outweigh the potential benefits.

Pros:
1. A lot of good posts go uncommented in threads, which could leave the poster feeling ignored. "Like" ratings could provide positive feedback and encourage further contribution.

2. They could help guide late-comers to the highlights of a thread so they can quickly catch up and contribute.

Cons:
1. We have plenty of attention-seeking behavior as it is, and "likes" will only encourage it further.

2. "Likes" are used to measure popularity, and it could alienate the less charismatic and less confident members (i.e., the INTPs)

3. People would inevitably use "likes" as evidence that they're "winning" or "losing" a debate.

4. Likes would be used to increase drama when discussing issues of quality control and crime & punishment.

5. It could discourage minority opinions, which would be a shame. I'm all for challenging fallacious arguments and uninformed opinions, but that should be done in open (preferably respectful) debate, not with "likes" and especially not with "dislikes".

 

[TBerg]

Do we want to promote cheap mob rule? I mean, just look at what focus groups do to the content in advertising.

 

[Reluctantly]

I originally hated these things, but it's useful for getting a rough idea of popular opinion. So although I find the idea of motivating/demotivating people to post a little fucked up, it is useful for knowing if this is the proper place for voicing oneself.

 

[Grayman]

Learning where people sit on various issues can be helpful in understanding others posts and viewing entirely different worldviews of other people that one can use in comparison to their own.

More information can never be argued as bad, however one can distrust others use of such information. I'd never choose to be ignorant because others cannot handle information appropriately.

I am curious about the inconsistency in not also removing polls... how does one stand against like buttons but still allow polls to exist?

 

[redbaron]

how does one stand against like buttons but still allow polls to exist?

Have you ever seen someone use evidence from a poll in a flame-war?

 

[Cherry Cola]

Like buttons are ever present, polls are not. The two are not similar at all except in principle.

 

[Pyropyro]

A "like" leaves a lot of meaning unsaid. It may mean "I strongly appreciate your opinion" or "I want you to like my posts back" etc..

I prefer people talking their points out so I have some data to work with.

 

[Brontosaurie]

Have you ever seen someone use evidence from a poll in a flame-war?

consider it a quickfix peer-review

 

[Jennywocky]

A "like" leaves a lot of meaning unsaid. It may mean "I strongly appreciate your opinion" or "I want you to like my posts back" etc..

I prefer people talking their points out so I have some data to work with.

If I leave someone a Like, it's because I like what they said and have nothing else to say that's worth leaving a post. So no, if you don't want the Like, you get nothing and know even less than before.

If someone actually has something to share, I'm sure they'd leave it for you regardless of the presence of a Like button..

 

[Brontosaurie]

EyeSeeCold: the like count would be a small interface component and wouldn't distract from normal forum use.

zerkalo: there might be something to this. but "approval hunting" is something people go for anyway (wouldn't surprise me if INTP's deny this but seriously people motivate each other), just that with like counts we can access clear data and just get on with it. it seems almost masochistic as it is. we are "rationals" so we gotta ignore/suppress a rather self-evident implementation of basic human social dynamics?

 

[Brontosaurie]

A "like" leaves a lot of meaning unsaid. It may mean "I strongly appreciate your opinion" or "I want you to like my posts back" etc..

I prefer people talking their points out so I have some data to work with.

this seems a little contrived to be honest. Jennywocky got it.

didn't you ever refrain from posting a token of agreement or approval just because it wouldn't be substantial enough to warrant a post? ...yet it's useful information and there happens to be a parallel format for it.

 

[Pyropyro]

If I leave someone a Like, it's because I like what they said and have nothing else to say that's worth leaving a post. So no, if you don't want the Like, you get nothing and know even less than before.

I might be able to "read" your Like gesture but I can't claim the same thing with all members/future members of the INTPf.

If someone actually has something to share, I'm sure they'd leave it for you regardless of the presence of a Like button..

True. Sharing thoughts operates outside of Likes/Dislikes system but thoughts can influenced by this new system.

 

[Pyropyro]

this seems a little contrived to be honest. Jennywocky got it.

Fair point. I've replied to her post a few minutes before.

didn't you ever refrain from posting a token of agreement or approval just because it wouldn't be substantial enough to warrant a post? ...yet it's useful information and there happens to be a parallel format for it.

Only in Facebook. Likes here seems to be a bit odd and too social.

How could I put it properly...
Imagine Facebook as a huge party where people can yell (probably my concept of the like) and have quick yet shallow conversations just about anything. INTPf is a bit more like a cafe. Sure, there's some areas where people snicker and stuff (Fun, Arena, Chat Box) but it's still subdued enough to have some meaningful discussions.

 

[Pyropyro]

zerkalo: there might be something to this. but "approval hunting" is something people go for anyway (wouldn't surprise me if INTP's deny this but seriously people motivate each other), just that with like counts we can access clear data and just get on with it. it seems almost masochistic as it is. we are "rationals" so we gotta ignore/suppress a rather self-evident implementation of basic human social dynamics?

Just a weird idea to toss around. What if this approval hunting affect us through our weak Fe's? Sure, on the surface we might say that it doesn't affect it all but unconsciously we're already self-censuring ourselves to appease Fe.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

"approval hunting" is something people go for anyway (wouldn't surprise me if INTP's deny this but seriously people motivate each other), just that with like counts we can access clear data and just get on with it. it seems almost masochistic as it is. we are "rationals" so we gotta ignore/suppress a rather self-evident implementation of basic human social dynamics?

Right, we could actually just skip the like feature and once and for all have a thread where we document who likes who, and who hates who.

Starting friendships/relationships would be much simpler, plus if you ever need to blow off some steam you know where to go for a fight. Why hasn't anyone thought of this before? It's genius.

 

[Brontosaurie]

Just a weird idea to toss around. What if this approval hunting affect us through our weak Fe's? Sure, on the surface we might say that it doesn't affect it all but unconsciously we're already self-censuring ourselves to appease Fe.

sure, typical INTP to reject the importance of social factors

 

[Brontosaurie]

Right, we could actually just skip the like feature and once and for all have a thread where we document who likes who, and who hates who.

Starting friendships/relationships would be much simpler, plus if you ever need to blow off some steam you know where to go for a fight. Why hasn't anyone thought of this before? It's genius.

well that's not a bad idea either (though i see you might be going in for satire) but it doesn't allow for continuous monitoring.

 

[Pyropyro]

sure, typical INTP to reject the importance of social factors

I fart on your social factors. And your Likes smell like elderberries!

Spoiler

To be fair, INTPf lacks a lot of social features compared to Fb

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

You already can do this in your : posts, signatures, thread inspirations, etc.

What utility would it have for the person that likes and for the person receiving likes?

The forum is free from various plugins of this kind and is there some apparent lack of expression because of it?

 

[nanook]

I can never really tell if the general silence about my posts is a gesture of humility, prayer or disgust. I don't need a large audience, if only 10 people read me, fine, but if i knew that all my fans are the non-intp members and that all the intp are annoyed by me, i would probably go and find another message board, perhaps look into iNFpforum or something or i would get a dog. so a non-anonymous feedback might prevent me from wasting my and your time, so to say. anonymous feedback on the other hand is somewhat useless, because there are so many lurkers and if you get say 5 likes for a long post or thread idea you don't know if this is 25% of readers or 0.05%. still it does no harm either. the way i see it, 'likes' are about forming a relationship with specific readers/posters, not about numbers and status/popularity. negative feedback is useless, if there is any value to negative feedback it must at least be specified with a concrete argument, such as 'everything about you sucks, kill yourself'.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

INTPf lacks a lot of social features compared to Fb

yeah that's not a defect...i think it allows for more unapologetic+honest posts(most ppl on here aren't trying to be ~impressive~), adding more social features will take away from that imo

 

[Brontosaurie]

yeah that's not a defect...i think it allows for more unapologetic+honest posts(most ppl on here aren't trying to be ~impressive~), adding more social features will take away from that imo

maybe you're right. but a "Like" feature won't necesarily make this forum a "social medium" as opposed to a message board. it won't be primarily about personal experiences, events, friend groups etc... especially if the likes are anonymous. i don't see a reason to wholeheartedly embrace your slippery slope kind of argument here, although i'm not dismissing it completely either.

 

[Grayman]

Have you ever seen someone use evidence from a poll in a flame-war?

Honesly... no and flamer baiters use anything and usually get themselves banned at some point...unless it is just an e/intp experiment.

 

[Grayman]

I don't see how an intp forum will suddenly turn into an xsfx forum just because of a like button. We are mostly INTP here after all, right?

yeah that's not a defect...i think it allows for more unapologetic+honest posts(most ppl on here aren't trying to be ~impressive~), adding more social features will take away from that imo

Maybe but then seeing how 'impressiveness' affects the intp mind it would only lead to more intelligent statements as apposed to bravado.

 

[Jennywocky]

I don't see how an intp forum will suddenly turn into an xsfx forum just because of a like button. We are mostly INTP here after all, right?

That's what I was thinking as I dropped off to sleep last night.

I mean, is anyone here going to get all fluffy and gooey and undergo a personality shift just because of a freaking Like button? Give two different types of people the same tool, and they will use it in a way that reflects their personality to begin with.

I suspect it to be a non-issue, unless a horde of EFJ's makes a mad dash on the forum and beat us all to death wielding their Like buttons like morning stars.

 

[Brontosaurie]

haha that's the spiritt

but zerkalo's point isn't entirely vacuous. some change in dynamics should be expected to occur.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

I don't see how an intp forum will suddenly turn into an xsfx forum just because of a like button. We are mostly INTP here after all, right?

I think much less than 50% of active members here are INTP, but majority does quite convincingly identify with the archetype.

I mean, is anyone here going to get all fluffy and gooey and undergo a personality shift just because of a freaking Like button? Give two different types of people the same tool, and they will use it in a way that reflects their personality to begin with.

Maybe not.

Do we need a friend function here?
Every person will use the friend function in a way that reflects who they are.

Maybe we could use more buttons, but is it something to be discussed or just something to be enabled because someone could use it and made a request?

 

[Perfectly Normal Beast]

like/dislike seem rather predictable/pedestrian

if we must do this, i propose: thou hast posted like a god/plagiarised from my own mind/meh/you sicken me

 

[Brontosaurie]

I think much less than 50% of active members here are INTP, but majority does quite convincingly identify with the archetype.

do you think we should have a "list what type the various members are" thread?

then we can measure negative correlations between assigning SJ-type and liking a members posts :P

 

[TBerg]

Nanook digs deep into his security and acceptance issues, but I really appreciate his input pretty much every time he writes.

 

[Jennywocky]

Maybe we could use more buttons, but is it something to be discussed or just something to be enabled because someone could use it and made a request?

I dunno. It depends on the moderator mentality I guess.

Some forums will have a group consensus, others will add stuff to the forum based on a few users' requests just because they asked. And then some will just force functionality on the membership BECAUSE THEY WANT TO.

I mean, either way, personally, I'm like "whatever" -- either we'll have Likes and I'll use it when I have nothing constructive to add but want the person to know I did read and enjoy and/or agree with the post, or we won't have it and my participation won't change.

I do know that sometimes if you post regularly and get NO feedback, you do wonder if anyone is even reading your stuff. (I felt that way through part of my tenure and almost quit over it because I didn't see the point in posting if people didn't read anything.) I don't need pats on the head, I just need to know someone is reading what I took time to write and I also l like to get a sense of how it's being received, so I can communicate more effectively.

How these forums usually work: You get a response if (1) you've said something so mind-blowingly awesome that it triggers a lot more thoughts; or (2) you post something that people have strong feelings about (so it's the topic that is provocative); or (3) you're an asshat and piss people off enough that they want to respond.

 

[Brontosaurie]

Nanook digs deep into his security and acceptance issues, but I really appreciate his input pretty much every time he writes.

agreed. well at least 50 % of the posts are clearly worthwhile and food for thought.

 

[Cherry Cola]

everyone who is a girl has a lot more views on their profile page relative to amount of posts compared to other users except for a few exceptions

 

[Brontosaurie]

everyone who is a girl has a lot more views on their profile page relative to amount of posts compared to other users except for a few exceptions

i wanna look and see how true it is but i don't wanna make it more true so i don't

THE OBSERVER EFFECT

 

[Perfectly Normal Beast]

^ have never googled myself for same reason

 

[Grayman]

That a lot of individuals are afraid of 'like' abuse, as evidenced by the polls and posts of those in opposition to the idea, is strong evidence that the 'like' button will not be abused due to the hyper awareness of all the individuals to such abuse. In other words, keep up the 'no' votes because not only is a poll useless on an intp forum strictly in wielding the power of consensus but with every vote my point is only lent more power.

 

[Cherry Cola]

I spot telltale signs of a mind virulated by solipsism, might I suggest you embark on a perilous quest to join IS in their holy crusade? Thy master commands and thou can do naught but follow his bidding, beholden as thou art beneath the muculent machinations of subjectivity.

 

[Jennywocky]

That a lot of individuals are afraid of 'like' abuse, as evidenced by the polls and posts of those in apposition to the idea, is strong evidence that the 'like' button will not be abused due to the hyper awareness of all the individuals to such abuse. In other words, keep up the 'no' votes because not only is a poll useless on an intp forum strictly in wielding the power of consensus but with every vote my point is only lent more power.

You're very tricksy.
But I had noticed the same irony myself.

It's hilarious that we're having a poll to determine group consensus in order to avoid falling prey to potentially encouraging group consensus.

 

[Cherry Cola]

You're very tricksy.
But I had noticed the same irony myself.

It's hilarious that we're having a poll to determine group consensus in order to avoid falling prey to potentially encouraging group consensus.

somehow that reminds me of legendary spymaster roger a muirebe

Spoiler

 

[Jennywocky]

^^ A dizzying intellect, to be sure.

 

[Yellow]

That a lot of individuals are afraid of 'like' abuse, as evidenced by the polls and posts of those in apposition to the idea, is strong evidence that the 'like' button will not be abused due to the hyper awareness of all the individuals to such abuse. In other words, keep up the 'no' votes because not only is a poll useless on an intp forum strictly in wielding the power of consensus but with every vote my point is only lent more power.

That's a good point. Perhaps I didn't give people here enough credit with my initial considerations.

I spot telltale signs of a mind virulated by solipsism, might I suggest you embark on a perilous quest to join ISIS in their holy crusade? Thy master commands and thou can do naught but follow his bidding, beholden as thou art beneath the muculent machinations of subjectivity.

Damn it, dude. Just once, I'd like to read one of your paragraphs without having to consult a dictionary. I'm getting the thinky-pain.

 

[Brontosaurie]

hahahaha

 

[OrLevitate]

hahahaha

at any time before you laughed there did you perhaps consciously recognize feelings of a degree of ambiguous anxiety or negative self pressure emanating from not actually being sure if you're using the big words you use correctly?