Lets create an INTP society (Project Noah's Ark / Critical Mass)

[6125]

Cliffs notes: wanna fuuuck

Intro: Society sucks, almost everything/everyone is fucking stupid. If you don't think so, you are part of this blob of dumb. "If you cant spot the sucker at the table..."

1. society: a group of people.
2. When this group achieves critical mass, their ideas become implemented.

Without critical mass, we are FUCKED. Being the smartest person in every room you enter gets tiring really fast. INTPs are so diluted that we have no power. In nature, we seek out those that we have something in common with. (diversity is a lie and its destroying us).

So you have two main ways to address today's irrationality: constructive vs destructive

Constructive: provide a rational substitute for irrational beliefs, or breed rational people.
Destructive: attempt to destroy irrational beliefs, or kill off dumb people.

Being destructive has its limits, and because we are in a minority position, its just not gonna work. so lets choose the constructive route:
The question becomes how do we achieve critical mass?
I think out of the two constructive options, breeding seems like the much better one. So how do we create a kind of Noah's ark of breeding pairs? We need the minimum amount of resources to achieve this goal, and we need to fuck like rabbits.

 

[Polaris]

If you collected intelligent specimens from all types, you'd have a better chance of breeding a resilient population. Genetic diversity is essential for long term success. And who said anything about fucking when we have technology? Saves time and uneccessary complications.

 

[6125]

Yes, we need introverted intuitives of all types...i think INFJs are sexy.

 

[computerhxr]

Intro: Society sucks, almost everything/everyone is fucking stupid. If you don't think so, you are part of this blob of dumb. "If you cant spot the sucker at the table..."

I must be the fucking stupid one in the room then.

So you have two main ways to address today's irrationality: constructive vs destructive

Constructive: provide a rational substitute for irrational beliefs, or breed rational people.
Destructive: attempt to destroy irrational beliefs, or kill off dumb people.

What makes you think that rational beliefs are better or more true than irrational ones?

 

[QuickTwist]

Hey *burp* I think we need to not be destructive in the ways we solve problems. An optimistic attitude can turn something good into something great.

 

[Architect]

I've worked in groups comprised of nearly all NT's. In short, bad idea. The SJ's/SP's are annoying as hell, but you don't know what you've got until they're gone.

Spoiler

NT's are asshole management basically. INTJ predominant in academia and NTJ/NTP combo in engineering once

 

[somebodiesfool]

calling not on latrine duty.

 

[RaBind]

I dont think INTPs breeding will necessary produce intp children, or any couple of specific mbti types for that matter.
Providing a rational substitute for irrational beliefs is hard to do because said irrational beliefs are irrational and have unknown origins by their very definition.
There is no threshold for how smart people have to be, in order for them to not be considered stupid by someone smarter. So your relative idea of people in a room is pretty redundant.
Likewise the Intuitives that have the most well developed Sensing will just take on the roles of the previous sensors.

You'll also probably get tired of the same type of stimuli and responses, from the similar people you surround yourself with.

 

[6125]

Let me make my overall mental picture more clear so you can see the perspective i'm coming from (reverse engineering evolution to figure out how to live). The angle is basically like, what is natural? Are condoms natural? No, they are not part of our evolutionary history, having sex without producing kids is about as unnatural as it gets. What do i find attractive (sexual selection)? I find INTPs and INFJs to be very attractive. It is unnatural to just sit in this cesspool called society surrounded by people i find unattractive. Why not have my preferences propel me to surround myself with people that i find attractive? Is it natural to obey laws that you personally find either retarded or totally immoral? How much more of this are we gonna take before we unite under common preferences?

 

[somebodiesfool]

My society one whip one lackey and all of you slaving! buwhahaha

 

[Black Rose]

the education system sift the smart people to the top
people at google are working on a.i. so breeding is pointless for the new society

 

[QuickTwist]

the education system sift the smart people to the top
people at google are working on a.i. so breeding is pointless for the new society

This^ Half of this.

 

[Black Rose]

This^ Half of this.

smart people are more concentrated together now than the past but they are few so they were spread out before. they have more contact

 

[QuickTwist]

We need sex as a release. It is the most natural form of release there is IMHO.

 

[somebodiesfool]

We need sex as a release. It is the most natural form of release there is IMHO.

Righto...I gotcha AI and sex. ROBO ARMS FOR EVERYONE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvJ7KWlgCaU

 

[computerhxr]

...

Sounds like you want to start a cult.

What are the requirements to be part of your society? Just test INTP and you're in?

Are there IQ requirements?

 

[QuickTwist]

I hope there are no IQ requirements. I want to be one of the cool kids after all.

 

[Brontosaurie]

let's make brain warp generators then kill everybody except NFP's and SFJ's.

 

[computerhxr]

All the cool kids are drinking the Kool-Aid.

 

[manishboy]

What a funny post! I'm rolling! Could you imagine a society of people who habitually overthink everything and chronically put off work? No one would grow food, or hunt, or repair anything. We'd have plenty of theoretical frameworks for these actions. And we wouldn't cooperate on much. I can see whole towns of individual size huts, each separated by a comfortable distance so that neighbors do not intrude upon me-time. Just to survive, we'd have to breed lots of SJ back in. In a few generations, you'd have the same type distribution you find now. Seems like something out of Monty Python.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[6125]

LOL at cult references, look around sheeple!

 

[redbaron]

Why would you want to create an oversized D&D convention? Every large conglomeration of INTPs just ends up smelling like nerdsweat and despair.

 

[Brontosaurie]

Why would you want to create an oversized D&D convention? Every large conglomeration of INTPs just ends up smelling like nerdsweat and despair.

why would d&d and intp correlate

i really gotta look into the other types

 

[QuickTwist]

All the cool kids are drinking the Kool-Aid.

I was referencing this song:

http://youtu.be/SSCzDykng4g

But you're comment fits too.

 

[computerhxr]

LOL at cult references, look around sheeple!

You call us sheeple because we do not flock to your ideas like sheep? How is that rational? You wouldn't be allowed in your own club.



What you are suggesting is segregation. History tells us this does not work. We should strive for integration and open communication.

Assuming that you're the advanced species because you're an INTP (or whatever) is a naive notion. Just because you don't understand the value of other types of intelligence, doesn't mean that they are inferior.

 

[6125]

The amount of self hate in this thread goes beyond constructive criticism/self awareness and is entering reflexive politically correct drivel, and really serves to highlight the problem. Myers Briggs is a construct to begin with. I am questioning going through life without consciously analyzing the type of people around you (which you obviously do enough to be here to begin with). Use some deductive reasoning and think about the type of people you don't want to mate with or have anything to do with because of their dumb. What you are left with is a pretty small percentage of the population. Those are just the facts for most of us. How we go about establishing such a community is a different matter, but it is establishing itself whether or not we choose to be aware of it. Most of us think there is something wrong with us until later on in our lives.

 

[QuickTwist]

With the whole world filled with geniuses, I'm sure a thing like government and human rights will work themselves out.

 

[crippli]

There is no threshold for how smart people have to be, in order for them to not be considered stupid by someone smarter. So your relative idea of people in a room is pretty redundant.
Likewise the Intuitives that have the most well developed Sensing will just take on the roles of the previous sensors.

+1

 

[Rainer]

yeah, it's a hilarious idea, and also sort of a reasonable one.

I get along great with other INTPs I know, even if it may take awhile to get anywhere close to them. Even the one seemingly rather unintelligent IxTP I know operates in a way that is quite compatible with me. In my experience, we're autonomous, adaptable natural anarchists with a tendency to be good citizens as long as we're respected and can avoid being depressed, commanded, or scheduled.

I may eventually buy some productive land (organic farmland or ranchland) in the future with the savings from my work so I can early-retire on the (probably small but consistent) income from leasing it and when I do, I will offer almost-free rent to INTPs and any of my friends who are takers. One stipulation is that the gender ratio will have to be kept even, at least for people who are single and not asexual.

You may love this if you are ok with living somewhere rural with good internet. Might have to be somewhere with few/no building codes so we can have a bunch of little cabins spread all over the place without meeting costly and unnecessary zoning requirements. There are a number of places in the US where this is possible. It will be very cheap, you'll just have to build your own cabin and maybe you'll get some help! We may have some businesses, and hopefully it will also be close enough to a place with jobs, so going in to a meatspace job can be an option if people want.

Not suggesting that it should be a commune or anything. I suspect we ought to be as individually self-sufficient as possible. Certainly there will be few communal requirements. You'll have to cover your own expenses, but they could be quite few. Real estate and housing cost are a real beech to most budgets.

I'll let you know when the land is available. Keep hanging around MBTI forums for the next 10 years and you might just hear about it.

It will be paradise. You know, if we ever get around to it.

 

[Reluctantly]

Everyone should like this idea. INTPs get what they want and the rest of the world can kill them easier.

 

[redbaron]

Problem is that this idea revolves around the idea that MBTI is hereditary, when we really have nothing to strongly assert that. What happens when the society starts to end up with a whole bunch of extroverted and/or SJ/SP type children? Drown them all?

Second major problem is nerdsweat. I sure hope this society is well ventilated.

 

[Frankie]

What a funny post! I'm rolling! Could you imagine a society of people who habitually overthink everything and chronically put off work? No one would grow food, or hunt, or repair anything. We'd have plenty of theoretical frameworks for these actions. And we wouldn't cooperate on much. I can see whole towns of individual size huts, each separated by a comfortable distance so that neighbors do not intrude upon me-time. Just to survive, we'd have to breed lots of SJ back in. In a few generations, you'd have the same type distribution you find now. Seems like something out of Monty Python.

Thanks for the laugh.

^This.
The world needs all types. The society as it is cannot tolerate such drastic change.

 

[Rainer]

Problem is that this idea revolves around the idea that MBTI is hereditary, when we really have nothing to strongly assert that. What happens when the society starts to end up with a whole bunch of extroverted and/or SJ/SP type children? Drown them all?

Second major problem is nerdsweat. I sure hope this society is well ventilated.

tl;dr: Intentional communities never keep their kids anyhow and have to keep their numbers up by attracting new members; INTP kids are more likely to stay; it won't last more than about 100 years anyway even if things go great


Most children born in intentional communities don't stay there anyway. I would know, I grew up in a small rural community established by a cult. My parents moved there to join, but the cult kind of fell apart before I was born. EVERYONE ELSE in my age group left without exception; I am actually the only one still around, and that temporarily. Honestly the town is a really strange place populated mostly by fussy, awkward, and generally disagreeable people at this point, so I don't blame them.

Anyway, rural intentional communities have to maintain their population by attracting new people. Just ask anyone at, say, Dancing Rabbit Ecovillage in Missouri. I spent a few months there; people stay for about 3 years or so on average and then go on their way. That place attracted a REALLY introverted intuitive crowd too, it was great, but heavy on the NF side. One of the founders is clearly an INTJ though. Also a number of telecommuting programmers live there, and I met a couple of probable INTPs. They spend a FUCKTON of time on meetings and community process, though, it's a brain drain, but on the upside there's lots of polyamory!

Young INTPs born there would also be most likely to stay since they will get along well with the older INTPs, just like young ESTJs in our society often end up in a mutually beneficial relationship with powerful older ESTJs. Also, IMO it's silly to establish a community that is strictly based on personality type anyway. Instead, it should function based on principles that most INTPs can agree on, the type of social functions and ways of getting things done would naturally appeal to INTPs as well. And we don't have to worry about the really long term, since intentional communities seldom last more than two or three generations unless they're based on a strong religious ideology like the Amish or Hutterites.

edit, one more thing:
Being raised in an INTP society will encourage people whose personality types are more toward the xxxx point on the personality continuum to emphasize INTP focuses. Even if there is no genetic basis to personality type (which seems unlikely to me), non-INTP children born into an INTP society will be socialized to be like INTPs, if nothing else.