language and knowledge

[sushi]

my hypothesis is language and knowledge is connected, as per stated in my other thread, math vs language

any form of knowledge is expressed in language

(even mathetical knowledge is expressed in language)

maybe its impossible to express knowlege without language

the brain process and consume knowledge (input), and express it in language.

 

[ZenRaiden]

any form of knowledge is expressed in language

(even mathetical knowledge is expressed in language)

maybe its impossible to express knowlege without language

Language = medium of communication = literally only way to communicate language.
So yes even math, even body, even pheromones are a language.
Anything is subset of language.

 

[sushi]

i am not sure, its untested uhypothesis

how does one describe knowledge possessed

how does one pass down knowledge and thinking

is language the only medium

is there any other alternative

 

[ZenRaiden]

Every information moves through some medium, ergo mass.
Information is language and one and other is synonym.
Information can only be replaced with other type of information ergo translation.

 

[sushi]

language is usually in form of symbols

information can be random data without meaning.

 

[ZenRaiden]

language is usually in form of symbols

information can be random data without meaning.

You are making a point here, but is the fact of quantity random data, or is it the inability of humans to use numbers.
So now we have numbers and hence language for quantity?

Your basically making the assumption of personification, ergo does not make sense to me it must be random.
Something does not make sense it must be gibberish.
All comes down to comprehension.
I am a human being.... with set defined understanding, that scope of understanding is tiny, all else is information too and language too.
The physics did not appear they were there for billions of years, we just found a way to translate the information to our imperfect brains.
We are only privileged enough monkeys to have a greater scope of awareness.
I blame documentaries with David Attenborough talking about whale calls as indecipherable. Instead of saying like it is "too stupid to understand" which is 99 percent of cases where humans don't know something.
We just touchy about the subject of stupidity, because of our monkey egos, in reality we are still retarded creatures.

 

[sushi]

i think

language is usually in form of symbols

information can be random data without meaning.

You are making a point here, but is the fact of quantity random data, or is it the inability of humans to use numbers.
So now we have numbers and hence language for quantity?

Your basically making the assumption of personification, ergo does not make sense to me it must be random.
Something does not make sense it must be gibberish.
All comes down to comprehension.
I am a human being.... with set defined understanding, that scope of understanding is tiny, all else is information too and language too.
The physics did not appear they were there for billions of years, we just found a way to translate the information to our imperfect brains.
We are only privileged enough monkeys to have a greater scope of awareness.
I blame documentaries with David Attenborough talking about whale calls as indecipherable. Instead of saying like it is "too stupid to understand" which is 99 percent of cases where humans don't know something.
We just touchy about the subject of stupidity, because of our monkey egos, in reality we are still retarded creatures.

i think language is translatable and readble, while information maybe not.

language is translatable and convertible as you say, information is made of bits .

 

[ZenRaiden]

i think language is translatable and readble, while information maybe not.

language is translatable and convertible as you say, information is made of bits .

Here is question, where does the rock read about being a rock?