job recomendations

[peoplesuck]

Hello, im an intp and i was just wondering what kind of job you would recommend for someone who cringes at the idea of teamwork. I really like: science psychology engineering physics. my favorite of the few would be science. Im just trying to find a job with creative freedom and little teamwork. if you work as your recommendation, why do you recommend it?

What job
reason

thanks

 

[Brontosaurie]

reason tells me that one shouldn't look for fun and excitement in a job.

we might be nothing alike but i say pick an education that will give you a qualification that's in demand within a relatively static business area so you minimize the humiliation, social oversaturation and fatigue of applying for jobs. preferably also one where qualification is largely formal and practically irrelevant so the job itself will be mundane and simple despite apparent specialization. find a slot in which to carry out some operations that occupy as little of your mental capacity as possible, and obtain money. you can have creative freedom elsewhere.

life satisfaction isn't found in career, but you need money.

just a dull untested opinion from someone who's only about to enter an education and career path.

 

[peoplesuck]

I agree with this: reason tells me that one shouldn't look for fun and excitement in a job.

we might be nothing alike but i say pick an education that will give you a qualification that's in demand within a relatively static business area so you minimize the humiliation, social oversaturation and fatigue of applying for jobs.

but picking a mundane job is bad for your brain. I was leaning towards bio medical engineering.

Can you give me an example of one of these mundane simple jobs? im guessing mcdonalds isnt what you meant.

 

[Brontosaurie]

i'm leaning towards biomedical analysis / pharmacology, nifty coincidence first option is a 3 year degree designed for working as a drug store clerk, handling and dispensing prescription medications. second option is a slightly different 3 year degree to analyze medical samples for doctors. things like these fit the bill just great imo.

it's very important to have some sense of purpose and coherence, and especially hard for INTP with our stupid high standards of rational justification and our poor ability to imbue arbitrary things with meaning and joy through feats of association or repeated exposure.

 

[Analyzer]

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[Absurdity]

Teamwork with idiots is vastly different from teamwork with smart people you get along with. Don't limit yourself with silly preconceptions.

 

[peoplesuck]

Its not necessarily their intelligence. I have more of an issue with people who are very different from me. *cough* esfp *cough*

 

[Absurdity]

Hence the "you get along with" part.

 

[Brontosaurie]

i think it's a legit preference to avoid teamwork in general. but it depends on whether you connect career with challenges and personal development or just want a decent income with minimal effort. it seems that peoplesuck is on the fence between them. perhaps undecided, perhaps seeking a balance.

 

[EditorOne]

I'm not sure what they're paying hermits these days.

"reason tells me that one shouldn't look for fun and excitement in a job. "

Reason tells me the first wrong assumption is thinking in terms of "a job," ie, you do "work" someone else pays you to do. That's inherently, basically teamwork, at the level of DNA or architecture. If teamwork annoys you, any job where you are doing someone else's bidding is annoying and will become more so as time passes.

My INTP contrariness leads me to ask why looking for fun and excitement is
1. wrong
2. conversely, the most important metric.

I've met several successful folks who have a different paradigm: If you enjoy what is bringing you a living, you'll not "work" a day in your life.

Another random and converse thought is that if you can set up the machinery to bring in money in such a way that it requires minimal attention on your part, you can spend your time doing whatever you want. A kind of a deistic theory. To that end, the subject matter of your income-producing machinery need not be fun, exciting, fulfilling or anything at all, it needs only to be successful at producing money for you with minimal attention. That's a worthwhile puzzle.

Another possibility would be to inherit money. (In other words, marry well or get adopted by a rich family.)

And there's always "adapt yourself." As others noted, picking a compatible team is not out of the question, you just need to define what's compatible and study how to identify that in a workplace. There's big differences among Google and IBM and Chase Manhattan bank as employers. Not all work cultures are toxic.

 

[Absurdity]

but it depends on whether you connect career with challenges and personal development or just want a decent income with minimal effort.

I'm the first type I guess. Not sure why you wouldn't connect the two.

 

[Brontosaurie]

I'm not sure what they're paying hermits these days.

"reason tells me that one shouldn't look for fun and excitement in a job. "

Reason tells me the first wrong assumption is thinking in terms of "a job," ie, you do "work" someone else pays you to do. That's inherently, basically teamwork, at the level of DNA or architecture. If teamwork annoys you, any job where you are doing someone else's bidding is annoying and will become more so as time passes.

My INTP contrariness leads me to ask why looking for fun and excitement is
1. wrong
2. conversely, the most important metric.

I've met several successful folks who have a different paradigm: If you enjoy what is bringing you a living, you'll not "work" a day in your life.

yes, but there are still degrees of teamwork. the worst degree would perhaps be to participate in a marketing campaign brainstorm, and the most lenient degree to simply do repetitive mechanical tasks for someone.

if you enjoy what's getting you money, i don't think your enjoyment module is properly calibrated. there's a danger in there. but i'm not sure about the causality.

 

[redbaron]

Except for very rare jobs and/or incredibly menial tasks, any job requiring a level of education and/or training will have you co-operating with others. Aside from avoiding jobs that inherently entail high levels of interaction with people (like nursing or sales), you're best off just picking a career that you actually enjoy.

Once you're qualified to do what you actually like, you have a bit more freedom to choose your work environment and the people you'll work with. Plus side to that is if you're in a career you consider respectable, the chances that your interactions are with other people you find respectable increase as well.

 

[EditorOne]

"if you enjoy what's getting you money, i don't think your enjoyment module is properly calibrated."

That doesn't necessarily follow, does it? Getting money and enjoying whatever it is that brings in the money are not mutually exclusive. I enjoyed journalism for a long time and it did bring in money, just not as much, it turned out, as I needed. But I've met middle level managers who enjoyed being middle level managers, artists who enjoyed their art and made money from it, etc. It's not impossible.

 

[Brontosaurie]

"if you enjoy what's getting you money, i don't think your enjoyment module is properly calibrated."

That doesn't necessarily follow, does it? Getting money and enjoying whatever it is that brings in the money are not mutually exclusive. I enjoyed journalism for a long time and it did bring in money, just not as much, it turned out, as I needed. But I've met middle level managers who enjoyed being middle level managers, artists who enjoyed their art and made money from it, etc. It's not impossible.

not necessarily. but in this world we have a rampant system for distributing work and resources. to enjoy something that ultimately hinges on exploitation and the illusion of infinite wealth accumulation can't be good.

 

[Cherry Cola]

come on Bronto you should be a professor in Linguistics

though biomedical analysts aren't gonna have any trouble finding work