ISTP, working on Ne (wait, or maybe INTP?)

[Da Blob]

Perhaps the totally mature person can turn on or turn off different functions at will. Personalities do change with time and maybe everyone moves towards the center eventually...?

I could never be S, though, I do not trust my senses, they have betrayed me once too often. I am too much of a skeptic/a cynic. There is Always more to the scenario than what I can sense - there is always a catch, often there is a hidden trap...

Actually, since the MBTi is simply a self-report of "mere' preferences, I wonder where the positive and negative factors play a role. I an N because I do not trust S - not because of any great love of N - it is simply a default position. the opposite would be my preferences on the I/E scale. I can do Extravert. I have done some acting, concerts, public speaking etc. However, I do not enjoy the 'spotlight', It seems that introversion is not a default position, but one I actually prefer...

 

[asdfasdfasdfsdf]

Re: ISTP, working on Ne

Wait... Answer this question for me, this is really important:

Are you stimulated by Se types of activities? Video games, sports, driving, dancing, snowboarding, etc, any kind of activity that requires being in the present and using your body and senses?

If the answer to this question is "no" Then I have another question:

Have you actually tried any of these or do you are a bit reclusive and don't really go out enough anyway?

i strongly disagree with you adding video games to that list.
video games can be VERY intp.... it all depends on which video game you are talking about. i wouldnt imagine an intp being owning more than 5 fps's for the same console.. but i could see them owning tons of games that spark the imagination.

as an intp, i am often stimulated by a few of these "here and now" (for instance, when i played defence for my hockey team, it was VERY much of a strategy game of playing position and where to be.. however.. playing offense was less of a thinking game.. anyway, it could get me in my focus zone).

 

[Adymus]

Re: ISTP, working on Ne

i strongly disagree with you adding video games to that list.
video games can be VERY intp.... it all depends on which video game you are talking about. i wouldnt imagine an intp being owning more than 5 fps's for the same console.. but i could see them owning tons of games that spark the imagination.

as an intp, i am often stimulated by a few of these "here and now" (for instance, when i played defence for my hockey team, it was VERY much of a strategy game of playing position and where to be.. however.. playing offense was less of a thinking game.. anyway, it could get me in my focus zone).

okay

1. If I had to choose between the two types, which one get's to be the video game playing type, ISTP would win every time. Yeah sure, INTPs have their video games of choice but ISTPs play on a general scale.

2. The strategy involved in hockey would make it a Ti sport not an INTP sport.

 

[fullerene]

I played soooo many video games when I was younger.

I have always hated most of the fast-paced ones, though, FPS and sports/racing games. I adored the FF series, though, along with most other decent RPGs, RTSs, and adventure games.

 

[Adymus]

Yeah... me too. Almost only RPGs as well, except for mega man, can't forget about the Rock man.

I still say FF6 is the greatest game ever made. Chrono trigger comes close in second.

 

[echoplex]

Not being "good" at Ne is not really that relevant. I'm not even sure an INTP necessarily has to be good at Ti, at least not when they're young. I mean, their Ti will be better than types who don't have it, but not necessarily anything you'd describe as being good, especially if you're being very critical of yourself, which it appears you are.

But yeah, if you don't think you use Se any more than Ne, and you think you use Si more than Ni, then all signs point to INTP who is Ne-shy. I think people assume that an INTP will use Ne alot for socializing, but I think that depends on how comfortable they are letting others really see their Ne. In fact, I'd guess that INTPs, when socializing, use Fe just as much, if not more, than Ne. This may be because our Ne scares most people, so we fall back to Fe. I also think a Tertiary function (Si) can be used nearly as much as an Auxiliary one. There doesn't have to be a big gap between the two.

It's worth asking though: Are you sure you couldn't be a J type? INTJ, ISTJ perhaps?

 

[cheese]

I like this thread. It's resolving my own issues as well. It's probably useless now, but Jesin's always come across really practical and level-headed. J-ish. Or SJ-ish.

I type as ISTP all the damn time. And I don't think I've ever related to a single N description, and I've ploughed through a lot of MBTI stuff. It all sounds like that much bullshit to me. S makes so much more sense. N's like some half-baked poo pie that someone cooked up while on acid. I also couldn't imagine ever being able to do any of it, although that could be related to not having a damn clue what they were on about.

Lenore's wiki is pretty good for clearing things up though.

I think I just have shit N though, and no confidence in it. Grew up around all Ns. Always felt like the stodgy, practical, old SF. When by myself things were rather different (on irc yesterday Kuu was saying something about nuttiness during alone time).

Anyway low confidence --> fact-checker Si sounds pretty right. By that I mean that it's a useful explanation.


*edit
Would appreciate any input anyone has on my type/obvious functions. My test results are always whacked.

 

[ThunderBear]

Hi,

I think this discussion is really interesting. I just started reading about MBTI, so I may not know quite as much about as you, but I want to share my experience.

I couldn't figure out if I was INTP or INTJ. I focused just on the P vs J as I was pretty sure about the rest.
I know someone who's definetely way more J than I:
Plan for XMAS in october? Forget about it!
If I hear things like: "You put the butter in the top comportmant of the fridge again, but it should be in the bottom!" I couldn't care less.
And others are way more P than I:
A friend and colleague of mine is late 90% of the time. For job meetings and all! Mostly just 10 mins or so. I don't mind, but I'd definetely try to avoid that for myself!

Now I read that ISTPs "can be extremely efficient in organizing their collections and hobbies but disorganized in areas where they have no interest". I guess I am an ISTP after all.
ISTPs "can easily become restless and bored at work that is not continually challenging." That is VERY MUCH the way I am. I had to copy 32 sheets of paper yesterday. A nightmare! Or standing in a long queue for half an hour or even more ... I'd rather be locked up for a whole day if I had a couple of good books.

Jesin, you may have found out already, what you are, but maybe you want to recheck considering the J vs. P aspect.

 

[Jesin]

Nope, definitely not. I've learned a lot about this and about myself since this thread was last active, and yeah, I'm INTP.

Functional analysis is so much more reliable than messing with the characteristics that supposedly go with J/P. I think you have a lot to learn about how MBTI type actually works. And, umm, listen to Adymus, he really knows what he's talking about.

 

[Dormouse]

And poof, identity crisis resolved. Thank you for that.

And poof, another identity crisis is spawned.

After reading this, I seriously think I'm ISTP...

 

[brain enclosed in flesh]

Re: ISTP, working on Ne

i strongly disagree with you adding video games to that list.
video games can be VERY intp.... it all depends on which video game you are talking about. i wouldnt imagine an intp being owning more than 5 fps's for the same console.. but i could see them owning tons of games that spark the imagination.

as an intp, i am often stimulated by a few of these "here and now" (for instance, when i played defence for my hockey team, it was VERY much of a strategy game of playing position and where to be.. however.. playing offense was less of a thinking game.. anyway, it could get me in my focus zone).

Just because you are an INTP doesn't mean you can't (and don't) enjoy Se activities. But it's not going to be the dominant thing for you. For example, I love to be outside, love to hike, love to swim in the ocean, etc, but I don't have the longevity that Se-users have. Today my SP husband and I went for a hike and that was enough for me. He, however, followed it up by going snowboarding with our son, then going skateboarding with a friend, then going with another friend to watch a basketball game. And this is how his days off go. Granted, he's an extrovert, but I think SPs as a general rule like to be doing physical stuff a good chunk of the time. If my husband has to sit for longer than two seconds with no external stimuli his leg starts shaking or he falls asleep.

It seems to me like people on this forum get so caught up in showing their Ti and Ne as a way of proving/convincing themselves and others that they are INTP. It's like they want to become the stereotype. I mean, yeah, they're my preferred top two functions, but that doesn't mean I don't use the other six. I am capable of producing tears, I get stoked on seeing a grasshopper chew on a leaf, I like hugs (sometimes). I can be polite. I know how to read a thermometer, recall facts, and follow instructions (sometimes). I tell my kids and my husband that I love them, regularly.

This is the problem with MBTI, I think. The initial concept is supposedly to grasp a better understanding of yourself so you can grow, but what I usually see on forums is people emphasizing certain things they do and ignoring the rest as an effort to pigeonhole themselves. I'm not saying that's how it is for everyone, but it's definitely common.

 

[Latro]

Re: ISTP, working on Ne

This is the problem with MBTI, I think. The initial concept is supposedly to grasp a better understanding of yourself so you can grow, but what I usually see on forums is people emphasizing certain things they do and ignoring the rest as an effort to pigeonhole themselves. I'm not saying that's how it is for everyone, but it's definitely common.

Seems to me to be a problem not with MBTI, but with the kind of people who would 1. take the MBTI and 2. go to a forum and talk about it.

 

[brain enclosed in flesh]

Re: ISTP, working on Ne

Seems to me to be a problem not with MBTI, but with the kind of people who would 1. take the MBTI and 2. go to a forum and talk about it.

No! I blame Isabel Myers! It's her fault, evil overlord vixen temptress she-beast!