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Is self-discipline good or not

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Self discipline is what allows us to achieve long term goals, yes? Without self discipline we would only focus on instant gratification, here and now. self discipline is freedom, allowing you to choose and not be a slave to your impulses. someone already said something like this, thats my take.
I totally disagree. I would say that motivation is not limited to either impulses or some instructions you give to yourself. Most of real motivation amounts to belief, on a emotional level, in some future on a long term horizon. In fact I think self-discipline is a half-measure when it comes to reaching long term goals. Like I’ve said before, to me at least, self discipline compared to emotional-level motivation is what a bicycle is to a bulldozer. The latter can literally change your physiology and change the chemicals than run through your brain and veins in order to facilitate your ability to reach certain goals. Self-discipline is just being one’s own personal bureaucrat.
 

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Self discipline is what allows us to achieve long term goals, yes? Without self discipline we would only focus on instant gratification, here and now. self discipline is freedom, allowing you to choose and not be a slave to your impulses. someone already said something like this, thats my take.
I totally disagree. I would say that motivation is not limited to either impulses or some instructions you give to yourself. Most of real motivation amounts to belief, on a emotional level, in some future on a long term horizon. In fact I think self-discipline is a half-measure when it comes to reaching long term goals. Like I’ve said before, to me at least, self discipline compared to emotional-level motivation is what a bicycle is to a bulldozer. The latter can literally change your physiology and change the chemicals than run through your brain and veins in order to facilitate your ability to reach certain goals. Self-discipline is just being one’s own personal bureaucrat.

I think self-discipline is a part of long-term goals. Without self-discipline people can be impatient at their long-term goals, depending on the investment. People can set their goals high, which requires more discipline, and when they realise the investment for such a feat they question their goals. A lot of people dream but can make themselves feel better by entertaining themselves through TV, Video games or other forms of escapism. Self-discipline can happen in the face of long-term goals: If I want to reach that goal faster I can plan my time better. Self-discipline is the difference between one who dreams and one who achieves, since we're not devoid of dreamers people focus on self-discipline as the limiting factor. I wanna be an astronautical quantum biologist. Oh I have to study for 10 years? Hmmmmm. :/
 

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The bupropion I'm taking dopaminergically makes almost anything I do inherently rewarding, without it I would be lazier than what is reasonable. I'm hoping one day to get off, so I guess that would entail making sure I'm a habitually drive creature. I'm worried though because the only thing I've ever been consistent in is being inconsistent. Whatever, no shame in popping that shit, meth is meth, adderall is one hydrogen bond away from meth, and bupropion isn't too far off chemical structurally either. All hail the crystal.

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Self-discipline = freedom
Get into the groove of things and everything should come out magically.
 

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If you're doing self-discipline because someone said you should, then you're doing it wrong. That's other-discipline.
 

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Self discipline is what allows us to achieve long term goals, yes? Without self discipline we would only focus on instant gratification, here and now. self discipline is freedom, allowing you to choose and not be a slave to your impulses. someone already said something like this, thats my take.

They hated him, because he spoke the truth and the truth hurt like hell.

Well I hate to admit it, but you are 100% correct.
 

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Self discipline is what allows us to achieve long term goals, yes? Without self discipline we would only focus on instant gratification, here and now. self discipline is freedom, allowing you to choose and not be a slave to your impulses. someone already said something like this, thats my take.
I totally disagree. I would say that motivation is not limited to either impulses or some instructions you give to yourself. Most of real motivation amounts to belief, on a emotional level, in some future on a long term horizon. In fact I think self-discipline is a half-measure when it comes to reaching long term goals. Like I’ve said before, to me at least, self discipline compared to emotional-level motivation is what a bicycle is to a bulldozer. The latter can literally change your physiology and change the chemicals than run through your brain and veins in order to facilitate your ability to reach certain goals. Self-discipline is just being one’s own personal bureaucrat.
Self discipline is self control. It is a skill, it changes the way your brain works. there are people with frontal lobe issues that have no chance at becoming anything because they have no self discipline. I think you are right as well though, If you meditate on your goals and purpose, you wont need nearly as much self discipline to achieve your goals. I think self discipline is more than just telling yourself to do things. Its important to do both so that you dont beat yourself down too far, also self discipline is there when you have no motivation and you emotionally give up.
I really dont know, @Kormak agreed with me so now I need to make myself look dumb. :cat:
 

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If you meditate on your goals and purpose, you wont need nearly as much self discipline to achieve your goals. I think self discipline is more than just telling yourself to do things.

Eloquently phrased! I agree. The trick to having self-discipline is to learn how to make self-discipline unnecessary, to a large degree. Like you said, though, we will always need it to some degree. I think if you need to constantly beat yourself over the head with it though, the system you've established for productivity is likely to crush your creativity and fall apart when it comes to the long-term application.

Take music, for example! The best way to ensure that a child develops the "self-discipline" to become a good musician, is to teach them to love music. Teach them to treat it like labor, and they tend to fail in the long-run, no matter how many times you force it on them.

Our limbic systems are like children. The pre-frontal cortex is like the adult. We need to use the pre-frontal cortex to creatively find ways to nurture and encourage our children, and teach them to willingly do the tasks they need to do. Then, the need for discipline, while still extremely important, is much more minimal.
 

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Its weird to see people agreeing with me, I was sure I had become a crazy cat lady yelling into the wind.
Thanks @Inexorable Username :)
 

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Its weird to see people agreeing with me, I was sure I had become a crazy cat lady yelling into the wind.
Thanks @Inexorable Username :)

Aww you're welcome. I'm a crazy cat lady in training. Mine are still kittens, but they are working on driving me crazy.
I really hate to tell you this but whom ever your mentor is has failed you. You are supposed to go crazy and then substitute human interaction with cats. Your technique may work but it certainly isnt optimal.
 

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Its weird to see people agreeing with me, I was sure I had become a crazy cat lady yelling into the wind.
Thanks @Inexorable Username :)

Aww you're welcome. I'm a crazy cat lady in training. Mine are still kittens, but they are working on driving me crazy.
I really hate to tell you this but whom ever your mentor is has failed you. You are supposed to go crazy and then substitute human interaction with cats. Your technique may work but it certainly isnt optimal.

Oh man! How could I have missed that?! I guess I have to return these. The fact that my walls are covered in whiteboard wallpaper, I willingly engage in mental hallucinations, and I've been actively trying to give myself multiple personality disorder, is definitely not enough to qualify as 2-cat crazy. I should have verified the requirements in the DSM-5.

Man. Now I can't get my medical marijuana license.
 

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Its weird to see people agreeing with me, I was sure I had become a crazy cat lady yelling into the wind.
Thanks @Inexorable Username :)

Aww you're welcome. I'm a crazy cat lady in training. Mine are still kittens, but they are working on driving me crazy.
I really hate to tell you this but whom ever your mentor is has failed you. You are supposed to go crazy and then substitute human interaction with cats. Your technique may work but it certainly isnt optimal.

Oh man! How could I have missed that?! I guess I have to return these. The fact that my walls are covered in whiteboard wallpaper, I willingly engage in mental hallucinations, and I've been actively trying to give myself multiple personality disorder, is definitely not enough to qualify as 2-cat crazy. I should have verified the requirements in the DSM-5.

Man. Now I can't get my medical marijuana license.
:laugh: I actually considered the multiple personality disorder thing, haha we could teach a class! I thought everyone knew it went weed then pussy? amateur
 

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Its weird to see people agreeing with me, I was sure I had become a crazy cat lady yelling into the wind.
Thanks @Inexorable Username :)

Most times I agree with people is when I don't say anything, which makes sense because I have nothing to say but they don't know that! Little insight, if I'm quiet it's probably because I agree with you.
 

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Its weird to see people agreeing with me, I was sure I had become a crazy cat lady yelling into the wind.
Thanks @Inexorable Username :)

Most times I agree with people is when I don't say anything, which makes sense because I have nothing to say but they don't know that! Little insight, if I'm quiet it's probably because I agree with you.

It's common with INTPs. What value is their in emotional validation? They also devalue the importance of consensus to such a degree they must begin to question their own sanity.
 

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The bupropion I'm taking dopaminergically makes almost anything I do inherently rewarding, without it I would be lazier than what is reasonable. I'm hoping one day to get off, so I guess that would entail making sure I'm a habitually drive creature. I'm worried though because the only thing I've ever been consistent in is being inconsistent. Whatever, no shame in popping that shit, meth is meth, adderall is one hydrogen bond away from meth, and bupropion isn't too far off chemical structurally either. All hail the crystal.

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I think people should jump on modafinil, it has the effects of meth but additional effects in other regions, with the addition of not containg a methyl group. A seemingly less risky alternative. My friend kept offering me pure methylphenidate and dextroamphetamine but I didn't take up the offer, mainly because of inflammation to the nervous system: Modafinil has chollinergic, anti-inflammatory and neuroprotectant properties. All in one.
 

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I think people should jump on modafinil, it has the effects of meth but additional effects in other regions, with the addition of not containg a methyl group. A seemingly less risky alternative. My friend kept offering me pure methylphenidate and dextroamphetamine but I didn't take up the offer, mainly because of inflammation to the nervous system: Modafinil has chollinergic, anti-inflammatory and neuroprotectant properties. All in one.

I will look into it and consult with my doctor next time I pay them a visit. I doubt that my insurance will pay for it however, and it seems pretty pricey, and it's schedule IV implies it might be a dangerous snake that I could become dependent on. Can't hurt to try though.

I took dexmethylphenidate from 3rd to 6th year to focus in school. I have no memory of doing so, except maybe once. I feel violated that I was made to take such a dangerous drug in early stages of development. Whatever, chances are that me not noticing I was taking it meant it was good for me.
 

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If it suits you. If not, no. I think people get too hung up on thinking they can will themselves to be anything, even if it's completely against their nature. On the other hand, if changing your nature is your goal so that self-discipline is natural, then I salute you, but you have a lot more work to do before even getting to the discipline part.
 
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