Is school worth it ?

[Black Rose]

Here is high IQ guy explaining how to raise your IQ.
@Black Rose Just in case you were wondering why IQ is not perfect measure.

IQ as a construct is about the ratio or proportion in the ability of humans to use memory in relation to other humans. So it is like height, there is no perfect measure of height but we can say with rough estimation that we have one in ten, one in a hundred, in a thousand, in a million, and one in a billion compared to the rest of humans.

Intelligence is about ideas and the ability to manipulate data about them. This is developmental in some aspects. Children grow in the ability to hold data in their heads as they form associations and evaluate what is real, good bad, and true. But as per the construct they do so a certain rates.

Abstractions allow connections between ideas to find higher ideas that are not obvious to others. This allows us to formulate what is new and can be thought to expand the horizon of what is possible. Only it is that tests do not measure it effectively.

So what is this ability that humans can be categorized in? It is on tests computation. Yes, it is the case that abstractions of abstractions exist and are necessary for higher-order thought so we can also say many layers of abstraction exist relatively in the same way we can say an amount of computation exists relatively as well. It is just that if we combine computations and meta-abstraction we get, on principle, a way to tell what intelligence really is.

In computational IQ terms, When a person encounters new data and new problems it may be they can solve them but they do so within a category of the same number of persons who can do so. A person may be able to hold in their heads 9 variables at once. This is about one in five people. Or they can hold 25 variables at once making a comparison between all of them at the same time. This is one in one hundred million persons who can do so.

The difference is not much (9 or 25 variables) but it is a comparison between individuals on what they can do and this is only in computation as I said. A person who can also abstract to a high degree can have ideas beyond what is within their computation limit but what matters is that if they can be improved it will not be as fast as others can, meaning relatively if all persons grew together one in five would remain one in five.

It is more difficult to expand computational capacity than it is to learn new abstraction layers and simply easier to grow fast if your computational capacity is high. Abstraction can grow fast when we work hard to learn and create new things but when it comes to computation it may require increasing the perceptual field faster than relativistic speeds to increase IQ.

 

[ZenRaiden]

Yes, all I am aiming to say that IQ is a measurement. Its a good measurement.
We should not treat it as a law though.
There are lots of unknowns in human mind and the way it works.
His point was IF you have IQ 120, but you had less than ideal development, which is also your case, your IQ being healthy could go up several points.
If you were super healthy and had IQ 120 it would not go up.

His other point is that education equals indoctrination. He kind of glossed over it, but part of what I was trying to get across in this thread.
We are today teaching kids, something that is more closer to religion than knowledge useful for life.

If you ask what is the flip side of the coin?
Well there is big difference.

Consider for instance what you know about the brain.
If most of learning is passive learning as is schools today, more than 90 percent of not more is passive learning, how in the hell do we want intelligent people?

 

[ZenRaiden]

This is channel I have love hate relationship with.
He is an academic, and I always agree with his observations, just disagree with his conclusions.
But this video is important.
Teaching to a test, basically means you know nothing, but pass even with A.

 

[Black Rose]

His point was IF you have IQ 120, but you had less than ideal development, which is also your case, your IQ being healthy could go up several points.
If you were super healthy and had IQ 120 it would not go up.

I did not hear him say that exactly but it is true.

His other point is that education equals indoctrination. He kind of glossed over it, but part of what I was trying to get across in this thread.
We are today teaching kids, something that is more closer to religion than knowledge useful for life.

Consider for instance what you know about the brain.
If most of learning is passive learning as is schools today, more than 90 percent of not more is passive learning, how in the hell do we want intelligent people?

Teaching only facts and not how facts go together is a problem.

The reason I think is that the people who are coming up with the curriculum do not understand science or systems thinking themselves and they think kids are too stupid to understand it.

The whole issue is that they do not know how intelligence works so they do not know how to teach students in the first place. Schools are only for students who can memorize well.

this video is important.
Teaching to a test, basically means you know nothing, but pass even with A.

Institutions think only facts matter so again it is not how intelligence works (systems thinking) but about memorization.

In the video, you just need to lower the standards for what needs to be memorized.

 

[ZenRaiden]

I did not hear him say that exactly but it is true.

Right at the start of video.

The reason I think is that the people who are coming up with the curriculum do not understand science or systems thinking themselves and they think kids are too stupid to understand it.

One of many problems. You are right.

The whole issue is that they do not know how intelligence works so they do not know how to teach students in the first place. Schools are only for students who can memorize well.

Its lot more problems, but one of many.

Institutions think only facts matter so again it is not how intelligence works (systems thinking) but about memorization.

In the video, you just need to lower the standards for what needs to be memorized.

Basically the foundation of what people need in schools, is different, from what is given.
Its that simple.

 

[Black Rose]

Basically the foundation of what people need in schools, is different, from what is given.
Its that simple.

What do they need then?

The 1950s required factory workers but not today.

Today to get on in society what would a child need to learn or be told to do?

 

[ZenRaiden]

This guy is living proof.

 

[dr froyd]

kudos to that kid for all his achievements, but he serves as a good example of what creativity is not: so-called entrepreneurs trying to squeeze out a margin by grifting on pre-existing technology (his startups were some smart-watch thing and a code camp where you can learn to code in 6 weeks - the latter of which explains why he tries to convince you school is stupid)

real ingenuity comes from having a deep understanding of the pre-existing rules and concepts, and breaking these rules where necessary in order to achieve new results. This is not possible unless you've spent years learning from the masters, the closest approximation to which for nearly everyone is formal school and higher education.

some examples

- Von Neumann, inventor of the computer; went all the way to PhD, spent most of his life in academia
- Turing, laid groundwork for theoretical aspects of computation; pure academic
- Stroustrup, creator of C++; PhD in computer science
- van Rossum, creator of Python; MSc in computer science and math
- Linus Torvalds: completed degree in computer science
- all machine-learning stuff was developed by academics

on the more entrepreneurial end:
- Bill Gates: completed up to 2nd year of BSc
- Zuck: completed up to 2nd year of BSc
- Wozniak (the brains behind Apple): did degree in computer science, worked at various big corps before Apple


people who say that school kills creativity got it all backwards; nobody can teach you creativity, and that is not the aim of school. Its goal is to just expose you to what is already there, and it's your job to use that to come up with new ideas. In fact, schools don't even tell you that their curriculum is essential for you to be successful, they just provide you with the minimum that gives you the option to get a regular job. If you figure out after a few years that you have an idea that can make you a buck as an entrepreneur, that's great, drop out. If you want to go deeper into a subject, you will have to stay the course. Dropping out solely because "school is stupid" or "i can just learn everything online" is not a good strategy

 

[birdsnestfern]

Once you are homeless, you no longer have an address with which to apply for jobs with, or a place to wash clothes or shower, or use a toilet, you just become helpless, and its almost impossible to recover from that without a miracle.

it's crazy how if one slides too far in a certain direction in life, one needs Michael-Jordan level performance just to get back to normal. I've never been homeless but it's something I've often thought about, as a concept. Like, it's sort of like flying near a black hole; the closer you get, the more energy you need to escape it. Once you are past the event horizon, it's not possible to get out.

Very well said, and yes, exactly.

 

[ZenRaiden]

@dr froyd

The kid was C student. You make a good point and I agree with everything you say.

However we ought to realize that there is potential for more. If C student can do that, then what C student would not make a trade off, here.

My point being the job market requires something schools often don't provide.
So its cool that there are people who have education and make it.
Would you however say its a fair game to be expected to give years of life to school to expect results, but somehow many people cut school short, and end up better.

By fair I don't mean fair in collective sense. I mean fair to people and to themselves.

 

[sushi]

to answer, no its not worth it

its only a qualification minter and ticket for employment and labor market.

as for homeless, as dr foryd claimed, i think its not one of the things to worry too much about. drugs is more akin to the black hole he described here. Homeless and poverty is just a phenomenon more common that people realized. i think it is severly under-reported in statistics.

 

[Puffy]

Yes, school is worth it.

In my country most people will be in school until 17-18 and then university is optional. Given you're going to be in that system until 17-18 at a minimum you may as well make the most of it and take it seriously. As these grades will affect your ability to find jobs, allow you to explore and get a sense of what interests you, and may even lead to jobs directly if someone chooses to do an apprenticeship (which you can at the age of 16 in my country.)

University is a different matter. I don't think someone should do that for the sake of it, it really depends on someone's personal and career goals if it will be helpful or not.

 

[sushi]

you probably have to retake all the core past courses that you have failed to attain a middle school graduation.

but then i have a very low opinion of school.

 

[dr froyd]

to answer, no its not worth it

its only a qualification minter and ticket for employment and labor market.

that's just a straight-up fallacy

yes, there's a lot of useless higher-education programs floating around nowadays. But a lot of skills are not possible to obtain without education in certain subjects. Do you see the distinction? You're taking the subset of education that is not essential for anything to represent all of education.

for exampling engineering, computer science, architecture, chemistry, applied mathematics, statistics, and all kinds of STEM stuff – I can tell you right now, mastering those things requires school + years of higher education + years of practice in real world. While you're in university you get to interact with people who are themselves masters in these fields – and this is an absolute essential part of the process. For anyone who thinks they can learn these things on their own, up to the level of mastery, my message is: you have zero chance. I know it goes against the feelgood-you-can-do-anything stuff but it's just reality.

when you're young you have a limited amount of time to build a set of foundational skills and knowledge, and you better utilize the available institutions and people to get that foundation correctly from the outset. By the time you're 30 you can't learn shit, really, except refining what you already know.

i know people who dropped out of STEM degrees and justified it with "school is bullshit" etc. They did themselves a massive disservice. Ultimately they just gave up because they thought it was gonna be a walk in the park, which it definitely is not.

note: im using STEM here because that's what i have experience with, there's probably other good examples too

 

[ZenRaiden]

that's just a straight-up fallacy

yes, there's a lot of useless higher-education programs floating around nowadays. But a lot of skills are not possible to obtain without education in certain subjects. Do you see the distinction? You're taking the subset of education that is not essential for anything to represent all of education.

for exampling engineering, computer science, architecture, chemistry, applied mathematics, statistics, and all kinds of STEM stuff – I can tell you right now, mastering those things requires school + years of higher education + years of practice in real world. While you're in university you get to interact with people who are themselves masters in these fields – and this is an absolute essential part of the process. For anyone who thinks they can learn these things on their own, up to the level of mastery, my message is: you have zero chance. I know it goes against the feelgood-you-can-do-anything stuff but it's just reality.

Agree with everything you say here.
I am not though coming from a feel good place " you can do it by yourself"
Cooperation is essential in any knowledge base endeavor if one wants to surpass or get beyond current knowledge base.

when you're young you have a limited amount of time to build a set of foundational skills and knowledge, and you better utilize the available institutions and people to get that foundation correctly from the outset. By the time you're 30 you can't learn shit, really, except refining what you already know.

Here I disagree. Id say 30 + years is just as good to build knowledge.
Don't kill the spirit too soon. Many major things were done by seasoned veterans.

i know people who dropped out of STEM degrees and justified it with "school is bullshit" etc. They did themselves a massive disservice. Ultimately they just gave up because they thought it was gonna be a walk in the park, which it definitely is not.

I dropped out of STEM due to many reasons.
Truth be told, some was ego defense, but I don't think I missed out that much.

note: im using STEM here because that's what i have experience with, there's probably other good examples too

Id flip the coin and say day without school can be a learning experience too.
With internet and wider range of info.

My opinion correct me if I am wrong. School can provide lab experiments.
People who can point out your mistaken theories, and beliefs.
People who can provide curriculum that makes it easier to learn since you don't have to make it yourself.
They can help you go more in depth. College University that is.

 

[dr froyd]

Here I disagree. Id say 30 + years is just as good to build knowledge.
Don't kill the spirit too soon. Many major things were done by seasoned veterans.

if not impossible id say it gets extremely difficult. There's certain sad facts in life, like if you didn't start playing the violin by the age of 7, you'll never be a top-level violinist. If you didn't start playing chess until 12, you can likely never become grandmaster.

im early 30s and definitely feel the effect. I learn new stuff all the time, but that's stuff which builds on top of pre-existing mental structures that were built over the years. Learning anything new that is outside of those structures becomes painfully slow

i think there's a bit of an epidemic of millennials/gen-Z-ers right now who think they can mess around until their 30s before committing to any particular education, or think they can just do some online courses when time comes. That's a big fuckin mistake in my view

 

[sushi]

to answer, no its not worth it

its only a qualification minter and ticket for employment and labor market.

that's just a straight-up fallacy

yes, there's a lot of useless higher-education programs floating around nowadays. But a lot of skills are not possible to obtain without education in certain subjects. Do you see the distinction? You're taking the subset of education that is not essential for anything to represent all of education.

for exampling engineering, computer science, architecture, chemistry, applied mathematics, statistics, and all kinds of STEM stuff – I can tell you right now, mastering those things requires school + years of higher education + years of practice in real world. While you're in university you get to interact with people who are themselves masters in these fields – and this is an absolute essential part of the process. For anyone who thinks they can learn these things on their own, up to the level of mastery, my message is: you have zero chance. I know it goes against the feelgood-you-can-do-anything stuff but it's just reality.

when you're young you have a limited amount of time to build a set of foundational skills and knowledge, and you better utilize the available institutions and people to get that foundation correctly from the outset. By the time you're 30 you can't learn shit, really, except refining what you already know.

i know people who dropped out of STEM degrees and justified it with "school is bullshit" etc. They did themselves a massive disservice. Ultimately they just gave up because they thought it was gonna be a walk in the park, which it definitely is not.

note: im using STEM here because that's what i have experience with, there's probably other good examples too

you sound like an INTJ

i am not sure about the 30 hypothesis, you could be right, but i generally learn with the attitude that i will live forever.

its useful and helpful in helping you good marks if thats whats one is after.

 

[ZenRaiden]

if not impossible id say it gets extremely difficult. There's certain sad facts in life, like if you didn't start playing the violin by the age of 7, you'll never be a top-level violinist. If you didn't start playing chess until 12, you can likely never become grandmaster.

im early 30s and definitely feel the effect.

When you are 30 you can no longer afford to be a one trick pony.
Does not mean you are stupid or have less potential than a kid.
It just means you cannot compete with one track minds.

Honest question is your wet dream to spend your childhood pushing horses and towers around to show the world you are the bestest?

If not welcome to the real world.

 

[sushi]

if not impossible id say it gets extremely difficult. There's certain sad facts in life, like if you didn't start playing the violin by the age of 7, you'll never be a top-level violinist. If you didn't start playing chess until 12, you can likely never become grandmaster.

im early 30s and definitely feel the effect.

When you are 30 you can no longer afford to be a one trick pony.
Does not mean you are stupid or have less potential than a kid.
It just means you cannot compete with one track minds.

Honest question is your wet dream to spend your childhood pushing horses and towers around to show the world you are the bestest?

If not welcome to the real world.

maybe he meant 20-30 were the golden years

 

[ZenRaiden]

maybe he meant 20-30 were the golden years

In many ways they are.
However I watched hokey for sometime.
I have minor performance fetish.
When I see 20 something young studs, be outperformed by 45 year old veterans with 40 + injuries, it puts human potential into perspective.

Definitely not gonna limit my life with performance myth.
Lets be honest were it not for many seasoned veterans in physics, Einstein would not be called a genius.

 

[dr froyd]

When you are 30 you can no longer afford to be a one trick pony.
Does not mean you are stupid or have less potential than a kid.

to be clear, i dont think one is generally less mentally capable at 30 (in fact i think its the opposite), but the ability to learn completely new things is reduced.

 

[dr froyd]

you sound like an INTJ

not really, im just an INTP with a work ethic

 

[ZenRaiden]

to be clear, i dont think one is generally less mentally capable at 30 (in fact i think its the opposite), but the ability to learn completely new things is reduced.

I used to think so too.
Here is my view now:
1) When you get older, you are more critical of oneself, so even when we learn a lot, we tend to have more harsher measuring stick.
2) We tend to be super critical of mistakes when we get older, even if we are not self critical we are more aware of making mistakes.
3) We tend to forget as kids, we were constantly in learning mode 24/7 as grown ups we are lucky to get few minutes a day for learning
4) As kids we have lot less things to worry about, so our brains have by default more clarity. Old minds and especially smart minds worry a lot. Something hard to deal with if not attended to.
5) As grown ups we have more pressure to perform and more responsibilities.
6) As older we get learning becomes slower, because we take more time to integrate information in to bigger whole. Kids have relatively empty heads compared to a 30 year old collection of data.
Even if you think you know very little your brain has to take more time to integrate information.
7) We have more sophisticated thinking and minds when we are older, emotionally and cognitively. There is just more ways necessary to process new information and more work.
8) It takes more focus and work to tap into learning mode when you are older, and busy.
9) Older you get the less credit you give yourself for learning. There are lesser positive feedback loops. Have you ever seen a 8 year old learn one word and go whole day saying the word like they discovered Plutonium. Ever get that high as a 30 year old?

 

[ZenRaiden]

Yeah and number 10) Never underestimate how self conscious and insecure your brain makes you when you realize you don't know.
Lots of unconscious stuff, but when you are older, you know more of what you don't know. It may be relatively crippling and confidence shattering, being aware of just how much you don't know.

 

[ZenRaiden]

not really, im just an INTP with a work ethic

I have work ethic too, but as rare as that is, its not always recipe for success nowadays.
I feel a lot of times it was net negative for me.
Maybe for jobs where effort is rewarded its easier to see upside.
I do struggle with discipline of work place.

 

[Black Rose]

The problem with school is that it is not for people who want to understand things.

Factories do not require understanding they require you to learn the algorithms.

That is why I am going to become a janitor. I can't learn things fast.

 

[dr froyd]

not really, im just an INTP with a work ethic

I have work ethic too, but as rare as that is, its not always recipe for success nowadays.
I feel a lot of times it was net negative for me.
Maybe for jobs where effort is rewarded its easier to see upside.
I do struggle with discipline of work place.

yeah i mean i've had jobs where there was a clear limit to how much i could benefit from putting in extra effort, one has to recognize those situations. What i mean is i think i am a very lazy guy by nature, with zero self-discipline. But i understood this about myself at some point, and was lucky enough to meet some ISTJs or whatever during studies. I came to understand that sometimes, to get to a certain level, life cannot be just about browsing wikipedia articles all day long. Sometimes one needs to go through a long, intense, and quite painful process to acquire real skill/knowledge. That's a reality of education that many people don't want to accept, but it is nevertheless a reality.

 

[dr froyd]

I used to think so too.
Here is my view now:

i happen to agree with some of your points and i think they make sense, but then again there's a practical question: can you show me a guy who was just clowning around until 30 and then took up some complicated subject/craft and became really good in it?

 

[ZenRaiden]

i happen to agree with some of your points and i think they make sense, but then again there's a practical question: can you show me a guy who was just clowning around until 30 and then took up some complicated subject/craft and became really good in it?

I don't think its the usual thing to see. At 30 most people are kind of OK with what they have. Usually at this age most people give up on dreams.
Then again I was watching videos of fitness where 60 year old women had better fitness level than young women have today. She started only few years into her 60s.
I watched a video where guy that was over 60 was fitness trainer and was jumping rope and had a body that most underwear models don't have.
I don't know much about the intellect, but there is the KFC guy who established fried chicken after life of being total loser, and basically became rich over short period of time.
I am pretty sure we would have to ask "really good in it" means?
Nobel prize, fields medal good, or what type of good?

 

[ZenRaiden]

This vid is super interesting, its personal account of a girl in her early life when she did well in school and the consequences.
My personal take on this, is that this should not be experienced by teens in school.
Education systems are way too glamorized.

 

[dr froyd]

This vid is super interesting, its personal account of a girl in her early life when she did well in school and the consequences.
My personal take on this, is that this should not be experienced by teens in school.

i kinda fast-forwarded though the thing, but wtf is she talking about?

she just rambles about various inconveniences of being a teenager?

"boo hoo someone at school made fun of my hair and I didn't like mondays"

this is just narcissism if you ask me

 

[ZenRaiden]

i kinda fast-forwarded though the thing, but wtf is she talking about?

Noted, I actually don't expect anyone to watch a 40 min vid.

this is just narcissism if you ask me

OK, no. The vid is kind of irrelevant, but to get to the root of it, she describes the period where teenagers are exhausted the most.
Between 16-25 mental illness is mostly likely to occur, and that is due to co-occurring factors, being hormone roided teenager, developing sexuality, becoming adult, becoming individual, school expects you to be disciplined at this point, and tests actually matter, your degree becomes the gateway to job-market etc.

She is not the only teen that gut burned out or got sick form this process.
Obviously there are people more resilient and capable in school, if you are one of them I don't expect you to find some sort of understanding for this.
I know school can be easy for lot of people.

My main point here would be she was not retarded, she was autistic yes, but essentially belongs to a very common group that gets overlooked.
Ask your self who would ever know this person is struggling????
Of course the answer is no one, not even her parents knew.

There is lots of kids that fall through the cracks this way simply, because school sucks.
Her having her hair pulled by bullies and she complaining about that is OK in my book. And she is not crying about these things, she is just being factual.
Of course she did not like it.
The main problem here is education system are failing today in various ways.
And that in my humble opinion can be addressed.
There is plenty research showing that alternatives to schooling function better for kids, and most countries that introduced these alternatives (mind you not even extreme ones) do way better on tests on average.

I am a guy, so when they tried to bully me I tossed a punch.
But regardless bullying is extremely harmful.
I honestly think lots of bullies don't have malicious intents at bullying, they are just acting out behaviors they understand.

The point is though schools are not these super scholastic experiences where everyone is enjoying super time. But somehow kids are pressured to be that way.
You are supposed to excel in school, you are supposed to do the work, you are supposed to always be somehow managing it.

I used to tutor a 9 year old, he had more homework than I had when I was in 7th grade. His life sucked balls, and of course he was visiting a psychologist. The parents were like "we don't know why our kid is not getting Assss boohoo" its sometimes down right sadistic.
When shit works it works, but when it does not there is no way to see it.

 

[dr froyd]

just saying, I don't believe she is autistic. My sense is that she is actually a bit of a narcissist, self-diagnosed as autistic to garner attention on youtube.

that's not to say there aren't kids who actually go through that type of experience, obviously

but then there's the flipside of the coin: a lot of kids are born into shitty conditions, alcoholic parents and whatnot, and school is the place they get to escape from that and actually learn things and interact with rest of society.

 

[ZenRaiden]

just saying, I don't believe she is autistic. My sense is that she is actually a bit of a narcissist, self-diagnosed as autistic to garner attention on youtube.

Nah. Trust me she is legit. Youtubers all look like narcs, because that is their job.
You don't call Obama a narc, or Arnold Schwarzenegger narc, just because they are all over the place. Her channel is autism awareness. My special interest is autism for more than 10 years, so trust me she is legit. She ain't rainman that is true.
Female version of autism is different overall.

Also Id guess you are smarter and have higher IQ, but we need to consider that most kids have average IQs or below average.
I could get a B grade by knowing the title of a chapter. Literally did not study sometimes got As. And I shit you not I was C to F students, because I could not remember anything on top. But IQ makes school very easy.

but then there's the flipside of the coin: a lot of kids are born into shitty conditions, alcoholic parents and whatnot, and school is the place they get to escape from that and actually learn things and interact with rest of society.

Yeah I know. That does not make it any lesser of problems.
General applications work in general.
Systems work in general well, but when it comes to details systems sometimes fail.
Children are frail beings, that are learning to manage their emotions and social skills on top of learning to live.
All I am going to say is that there is huge untapped potential. Eliminating this unbalanced stuff would go long way in my opinion.
I mean I don't know, but do you belong to the kids who enjoyed school? Legit question.

 

[Black Rose]

Female version of autism is different overall.

when not sad I talk exactly like the way she does.

yes, I was good at school but had no friends.

after graduation, I did nothing much.

 

[ZenRaiden]

when not sad I talk exactly like the way she does.

Sure, her presentation is quite lively. I think males can be that way to.

yes, I was good at school but had no friends.

Autistic classics. I was more social. I had a few. Mainly one wingman, and few class mates I hanged out with on rare occasions. Had periods where I barely had any.

Profile of autism has evolved rapidly in the last 10 years.

I actually remember reading the early books on it, and case studies of autism were pretty extreme and mostly male people.

One case study that I remember was a guy that got jailed for impersonating metro personal. His obsessive interest was dressing like them and hoping on metro.
He was autistic and did not understand it was wrong.
Back in the early days autistic people were not expected to marry or have social life or even kids.
Which is funny given how different the standard moved.
I saw youtube vids with women who were cheerleaders and had more social life than normies.
Give and take I think autism study has still long way to go.
Today its 1 in 44 get diagnosed where experts still think it goes largely undiagnosed.
I think the early statistics showed prevalence of one in 2000.

 

[dr froyd]

Nah. Trust me she is legit.

i dunno man, how can you be sure.

i just watched the very first video she uploaded a year ago - within the first 3 minutes she says: "i found out that im autistic at the age of 25, and what really helped me was youtube videos.. ". She said she "saw herself reflected" in videos made by autistic women.

she is a weird one for sure, but im about positive she doesnt actually have a diagnosis besides her self-diagnosis... but maybe she's right who knows

I mean I don't know, but do you belong to the kids who enjoyed school? Legit question.

i didnt have much against it tbh. I enjoyed learning stuff and kept myself entertained by trying to annoy teachers and break as many rules as possible.

 

[ZenRaiden]

i dunno man, how can you be sure.

Because I watched about 20 of her videos in last few days.
That includes here childhood videos where she is clearly flapping her hands in typical autistic fashion, where she spins, and plays in typical autistic fashion.

Trouble with autism is that the way we view it today may not even be the finished polished form of tomorrow.
There are literally people who don't know they are autistic.
People who go through life and don't know it, until new doctor with new knowledge looks at them and tells them.
The biggest experts on autism are autistic people.
Experts learn from them.
Psychology is always two way street between patients and psychologist.
Everything that experts today talk about like they pulled it from some expert hat, comes from their patients. Don't let experts fool you thinking that psychology has some objective metric. Misdiagnosis is most prevalent problem in psychology.
People often don't realize that unlike other fields of knowledge psychology is the most subjective field out there. Its on par with esoterics.
Also autism is my special interest, and she knows more about it than me in certain ways.
Also I am autistic, but in my country they treat autism still like its 20th century disease.
You supposed to drool, and bang your head on the wall, throwing fits, and run naked and rock back and forth.

 

[ZenRaiden]

i didnt have much against it tbh. I enjoyed learning stuff and kept myself entertained by trying to annoy teachers and break as many rules as possible.

LOL. Btw are you INTP?

 

[dr froyd]

i didnt have much against it tbh. I enjoyed learning stuff and kept myself entertained by trying to annoy teachers and break as many rules as possible.

LOL. Btw are you INTP?

im pure INTP, confirmed by DNA tests

 

[ZenRaiden]

i didnt have much against it tbh. I enjoyed learning stuff and kept myself entertained by trying to annoy teachers and break as many rules as possible.

LOL. Btw are you INTP?

im pure INTP, confirmed by DNA tests

I see you are one of the true believers.

 

[ZenRaiden]

@dr froyd you made me think about your previous posts.

Here is what I have to say about snowflake syndrome.
The following generation of people trigger me too.
I cannot for instance understand how someone can watch a twitch stream of a pro gamer. Its the equivalent of no life for me.
My parents did not understand what I found so interesting about playing games on PC. My fathers idea of high life, was teaching me how to change lightbulbs or how to fix car, or how to rake leaves.
His father was a workaholic whos idea of life was working 5 jobs a week and bringing home money.
New generations are allowed to be fragile and vulnerable in ways we were not. We did stupid shit, they do not do, and they do stupid shit we did not.
In 70s rock stars were super heros who could sing in perfect pitch and play several instruments and dance like there is no tomorrow.
Today we have bands raking in millions who cannot dress, who have zero style, and sing so badly you want to kill yourself even though they have autotune.
Serious there are many things wrong today. I take it over 15 years old fighting on omaha beach for the elites anyday.
Yes young people are stupid snow flakes and so are we.
I don't want to be a next wave boomer shouting at the wind being too soft!
We can teach these people things, and they can teach us too. I will rather see this as dialectical exercise and remain openminded when it comes to judging emerging attitudes and world views of new kids.
I have zero tolerance for harshness because we have two world wars to show us, where that mindset leads. Those people were not heros who fought the nazis. They were sacrificial lambs, who created nazi party, and we ought to remember that.
They were not better, they were stupid and payed the highest price for it.
We are not weaker, and the young padawans are only learning about life, much like we are.
This world was not meant to be perfect.
It will eventually crumble. Not because people are weak snowflakes, because it never worked for anyone to begin with.

 

[Black Rose]

Why Parents Remove Their Kids From School​