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Is revenge justified
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from a utilitarian point of view its a pretty good system
if you do x then i reciprocate with y. If x is beneficial for me, then y will be beneficial to you. If x is harmful, then I will also respond harmfully. Thus it puts everyone in a situation where the best action is to good things, and this will benefit the society as a whole.
in an ideal society with a perfect legal system you shouldn't have to take revenge personally because the state should do it for you
if you do x then i reciprocate with y. If x is beneficial for me, then y will be beneficial to you. If x is harmful, then I will also respond harmfully. Thus it puts everyone in a situation where the best action is to good things, and this will benefit the society as a whole.
in an ideal society with a perfect legal system you shouldn't have to take revenge personally because the state should do it for you
ZenRaiden
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Revenge killings were early legal system. So when shit hit the fan and one killed anyone someone had to take revenge, by killing the murderer.
Problem of this is escalation of violence.
Black Rose
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Usually, the psychopaths are excluded from the tribe or the tribe may die.
To get rid of violence some violence is necessary.
But in The US justice system today, the court of law dictates no cruel or unusual punishments.
To get rid of violence some violence is necessary.
But in The US justice system today, the court of law dictates no cruel or unusual punishments.
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uh, revenge is very low class and its pretty bad communication in my opinion. It also creates a karmic pattern you don't want.
Its better to teach people kindly what was wrong about what they did, and make a learning/growth lesson out of a wrong rather than react badly to something. If something is important to you, figure out how to express what would have been a better way of doing something. Be direct and with the originator in private and say whatever is on your mind openly with them quietly and let them have a chance to make it right. Avoid them if they don't have the moxy to change whatever it is. Many times people have no clue of their effect on others and nobody ever told them to try another way. But, don't 'forget' the wrongs, just realize people usually do want to change when confronted in the right way and told what happened without blame if there isn't some psychological issue beneath it.
In other words, avoid blame, it does no good. Instead, offer the solution that would make it right and frame it as 'you made me feel such and such when" because that tells people it hurt without blaming and they are more likely to change voluntarily, and then explain what would have been a preferable way of handling it for you, and ask for their help in that. Do it in private so nobody else is involved but the two. When you do that, if the person is really changeable, they usually will. Otherwise, they might have some psychological hangup you wouldn't want to get involved with anyway and just keep your distance. You want to allow both to maintain total autonomy to chose what they want, and remain free wheeling entities, no manipulation allowed.
(This is my personal feeling, and I understand that when countries are involved, (macrocosm) its normal that there are always war, violence and casualities in real life, but when you are on the microcosm, inside, you are creating inner world rules- if its very important to you, express it as if you are a teacher to create inner balance).
Its better to teach people kindly what was wrong about what they did, and make a learning/growth lesson out of a wrong rather than react badly to something. If something is important to you, figure out how to express what would have been a better way of doing something. Be direct and with the originator in private and say whatever is on your mind openly with them quietly and let them have a chance to make it right. Avoid them if they don't have the moxy to change whatever it is. Many times people have no clue of their effect on others and nobody ever told them to try another way. But, don't 'forget' the wrongs, just realize people usually do want to change when confronted in the right way and told what happened without blame if there isn't some psychological issue beneath it.
In other words, avoid blame, it does no good. Instead, offer the solution that would make it right and frame it as 'you made me feel such and such when" because that tells people it hurt without blaming and they are more likely to change voluntarily, and then explain what would have been a preferable way of handling it for you, and ask for their help in that. Do it in private so nobody else is involved but the two. When you do that, if the person is really changeable, they usually will. Otherwise, they might have some psychological hangup you wouldn't want to get involved with anyway and just keep your distance. You want to allow both to maintain total autonomy to chose what they want, and remain free wheeling entities, no manipulation allowed.
(This is my personal feeling, and I understand that when countries are involved, (macrocosm) its normal that there are always war, violence and casualities in real life, but when you are on the microcosm, inside, you are creating inner world rules- if its very important to you, express it as if you are a teacher to create inner balance).
Black Rose
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This is true.
My aunt asked me if I was mad at my father and I said no.
But I have no desire to see him because I am just not interested.
I have many other things to do like learning how to take care of myself.
onesteptwostep
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Questions like these never formulate in thin air. If you have a question that is divorced from tensions in a passion, then would it be fruitful to ask this.
Revenge usually entails harm for perceived harm done onto yourself, so depending on who's asking the question here, it depends. From the person committing the revenge, perhaps on an emotional level it might be vindicating, but justification might be another matter. Anyone can use any justification for anything, and thus categorically any reason for a kind of revenge would be a 'justification'. But from the vantage point of a third party or from the party who is on the recieving end of the revenge, it might not be justified.
Inserting the word morality into the equation also is problematic because morality entails a shared understanding of what right and wrong is.
In a normal society with laws that help govern how people interact, revenge is usually never justified. There might be self-defense laws that might help people for self-defense, which is a different term than revenge, which is to allot some sense of justice on the account of your own.
So in society, at least in a modern setting, revenge is never justified. Harms done are usually solved through apologies, and if the other party does not want to make amends, you can charge the other person for any laws that may have been broken. A lot of common law is like this. You can take other person to court and make arguments on why that person should be punished. But this would mean that you allow the judge to exact the punishment on your behalf, rather than you determining that punishment.
Revenge therefore is more of an exacting of a biased sense of justice, with you as arbitor. Hence why we have third parties or judges with lots of experience and precedent to serve that justice for us.
But if you feel like the 'revenge' that you're exacting is fair, then it would more accurate to call it vengeance. To which if you ask whether those are justified.. well, vengeance usually comes from a place of sacredness, so I am not sure whether worldly jurisprudence would be adequate in speaking on its behalf. We'd have to talk about what we consider sacred to progress on that.
Revenge usually entails harm for perceived harm done onto yourself, so depending on who's asking the question here, it depends. From the person committing the revenge, perhaps on an emotional level it might be vindicating, but justification might be another matter. Anyone can use any justification for anything, and thus categorically any reason for a kind of revenge would be a 'justification'. But from the vantage point of a third party or from the party who is on the recieving end of the revenge, it might not be justified.
Inserting the word morality into the equation also is problematic because morality entails a shared understanding of what right and wrong is.
In a normal society with laws that help govern how people interact, revenge is usually never justified. There might be self-defense laws that might help people for self-defense, which is a different term than revenge, which is to allot some sense of justice on the account of your own.
So in society, at least in a modern setting, revenge is never justified. Harms done are usually solved through apologies, and if the other party does not want to make amends, you can charge the other person for any laws that may have been broken. A lot of common law is like this. You can take other person to court and make arguments on why that person should be punished. But this would mean that you allow the judge to exact the punishment on your behalf, rather than you determining that punishment.
Revenge therefore is more of an exacting of a biased sense of justice, with you as arbitor. Hence why we have third parties or judges with lots of experience and precedent to serve that justice for us.
But if you feel like the 'revenge' that you're exacting is fair, then it would more accurate to call it vengeance. To which if you ask whether those are justified.. well, vengeance usually comes from a place of sacredness, so I am not sure whether worldly jurisprudence would be adequate in speaking on its behalf. We'd have to talk about what we consider sacred to progress on that.