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Hey, my name is Ryan. I'm 29, live in Bentonville AR, and only very recently discovered the Myers-Briggs personality types. Up until this point, I was convinced that my personality was almost completely anomalous since my only measuring stick was comparing myself to the people around me, all of whom I was very different from. I've never met another INTP (that I know of), and I'd resigned myself to the idea that I may never meet a kindred spirit. I hope that I will meet kindred spirits here, so let's talk! I want to have a conversation for the first time.
 

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Hail friend!
Welcome to our humble tavern.
We are simple folk here, going about our daily routines of cat slaughter and moon worship.
Grab yerself a pint of whatever it is that ye drink, and settle in.

If you feel conversationally inclined, be sure to wander upwards towards the chatbox, were the villagers engage in smalltalk and exchange funny pictures of feline creatures.

So now, onwards, towards the questions:

What is your guiding religion/philosophy, if you choose to have one?
What is your opinion on being naked in public?
Have you ever participated in acts of arson or vandalism, and if so, why?
If you were given the choice to destroy a continent of your choosing, what would you choose to do?


May your journey here be one of happiness and unicorn-like glee.
 
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What is your guiding religion/philosophy, if you choose to have one?

I tend to embrace a mostly scientific view of the world. I study the how and the what, but as far as why everything is the way it is? I don't believe there is a reason. We happen to exist because of a long chain of extraordinary circumstances, but there's no purpose behind it. We will strive to procreate and survive as long as possible, as instinct dictates, and then we will die. That's the meaning of life. ;)
I know that sounds like I feel bleak and hopeless about life, but that's not true at all! Having no pre-set purpose that you're trying to fulfill gives you the freedom to forge your own destiny and find your own meaning, and I think that is a beautiful thing.

What is your opinion on being naked in public?

Intellectually, I think that being ashamed of your own body is absurd (after all, what could be more natural?) and I'm fairly disgusted with the church for instituting the whole nudity/sex taboo, but that taboo does exist -and it's ingrained deep- so I would find myself deeply uncomfortable being naked in front of a lot of strangers. To be honest though, the thing that would be making me so uncomfortable would be not knowing whether it was okay that I had an erection.

Have you ever participated in acts of arson or vandalism, and if so, why?

Except for perhaps a few tiny cases, I never really got into either of those. My crimes were always the ones that benefited me directly, like theft or consuming things that altered my mental state -to put it delicately. All of that is in the past now, or at least the theft is. I decided that I wanted to strive to always become a better person, someone I could be proud of, so I stopped stealing, stopped pissing on toilet seats, and started dealing crack.

If you were given the choice to destroy a continent of your choosing, what would you choose to do?

This one is throwing me for a bit of a loop, I could just destroy Antarctica since it doesn't do anything for anybody (aside from the whole delicate meteorological balance thing), but that feels like the coward's way out. After all, there's not much at stake -relatively speaking- if Antarctica is lost. No, let's focus on the heavily populated continents. I wouldn't just destroy one all willy-nilly, that would just be chaos for chaos' sake. Instead I think I would use the threat of that power rather than the power itself. I would force the nations to appease me, lest they be destroyed. The only problem is, nobody would believe I could do it unless I actually did it, and then I couldn't do it again. Hmm... okay, so I guess I would destroy Antarctica to show the rest of the world that I mean business, and then hope I can bluff my way through the rest.

Okay, now I've got a question for you guys: What do you think about eugenics? Obviously it's been taken to unnecessary extremes in the past, but what if it were executed in a humane, positive way? What if only the best of the best were approved? Think what our species would be like in a few generations if all our offspring were descended from the best humanity has to offer.
As for me, the only trait I really care about is intelligence. That's the eugenics program I would start, one focused entirely on evolving the mind.
 

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Of course. We here at INTPforum sacrifice cats to appease the cat gods, seeing as INTPs are the most cat-like personality type.


To answer your actual question, however: sort of. MBTI is "real" in the sense that it's a somewhat decent model that allows us to generalize personalities into more specific groups. Very, very few people match their type perfectly. Those who do are the exception, not the standard. While MBTI can be a useful and interesting way to get to know more about yourself, others, and the motives of aforementioned people, always doubt and question it. Don't become your type or feel pressured to try to conform to your type's description. If you want something a tad more accepted within the scientific community as opposed to (somewhat) popular culture as MBTI is, I'd recommend looking into the Big 5 (a.k.a SLOAN). While there aren't very many (or any, to my knowledge) forums pertaining to SLOAN and it's not nearly as well known, it's generally considered to be one of the more scientific personality assessment models. Also, welcome to the forum!
 

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Okay, now I've got a question for you guys: What do you think about eugenics? Obviously it's been taken to unnecessary extremes in the past, but what if it were executed in a humane, positive way? What if only the best of the best were approved? Think what our species would be like in a few generations if all our offspring were descended from the best humanity has to offer.
As for me, the only trait I really care about is intelligence. That's the eugenics program I would start, one focused entirely on evolving the mind.

Eugenics certainly has quite a bit of potential, both positive and negative. We could carry out a eugenics program in a very ethical, humane way, perhaps within certain voluntary communities. Parents could join by choice, and have a chance to help create better humans. However, what of the offspring several generations down the line, which would be undoubtedly far superior to the rest of the population. There would be a definite possibility for oppression. It could end up making many people's lives worse, which was the opposite of the original goal. This also greatly depends on how one defines "humanity's best." You mentioned intelligence. While intelligence is certainly a very important trait, and I won't disagree with you on that, it's very far from being an entirely genetic trait. While strong "intelligence genes," for lack of a better term, can certainly help one in the strive towards intelligence, a person with entirely average genetics could easily become far more intelligent than others as a result of their upbringing and environment. A person raised from a young age to be inquisitive, rational, and accepting of constructive criticism, as well as trained in scientific ways of thinking, will easily surpass someone raised in fashion that has become the American norm today, almost regardless of their genes. I think if we were to attempt to make humanity a more intelligent species, we could easily do so, but eugenics wouldn't be how I would go about it. I would completely get rid of the school system and allow every child to homeschool themselves, starting immediately at the age that they become able to do so. Their parents would also have been raised in such a scientific fashion, and would pass this down to them. Emphasis on somatic, financial, and societal success would be removed. Emphasis on group/teamwork would also be completely removed, and I would have parents encourage independent thinking as strongly as they could. I would try to avoid too much structure, but instead encourage kids to find their own way. Of course, there would be many people who just wouldn't fit in to this system, so that's where the concentration camps come in. All jokes aside, for these people, I suppose they'd just have to do more manually-oriented jobs and be the "grunts" of this new society. This isn't something I'd want, and would be creating a new underclass that would most likely be exploited, but it's an issue that can probably be worked out.
 
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Ah you're right, I overlooked the nature vs. nurture aspect of it. There are too many messy variables, I'm going to focus on achieving an AI singularity instead. Much cleaner, I'm sure.
 

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I like you Azreal, you remind me of an older, more mature me.

I have no moral objection against eugenics, though I would rather see it used to ensure the future of humanity by breeding a tougher, more intelligent species than being used to create super soldiers who will pillage third world countries for whatever flimsy reason.

One problem with eugenics I have pondered on is the further disparity it may create between rich and poor if it were to be implemented within the capitalist economy.

Other outcomes, such as a pure marxist government which mandates eugenics for the whole population, may also have adverse effects.
Questions such as what type of genetic tampering will be used and why the government wishes for it to occur can be raised.
 
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Okay, I've got to come clean at this point: My eugenics program would be an absolute nightmare. My robust blend of apathy and impatience would cause me to gloss over all the practical, humane details and I would create a race of monsters. It would be awful for the rest of humanity, but man it would be fun for me and my monsters.

Really though, I'd be happy to just take them all to some other planet and leave normal folks in peace; I just want to see how far the human mind can be advanced. Apparently I'm a transhumanist.

I like you Azreal, you remind me of an older, more mature me.

Thank you :D This makes me curious: as I mentioned before, I've never actually met another INTP and I'm wondering how far the similarities actually go. What aspects of our personalities are common INTP traits, and which are unique qualities and idiosyncrasies that have a different origin? Or, to put it another way, tell me about yourself.
 

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Hello. This is the third time I am writing this post, hopefully, I can go through with it now.

I think I had similar experience after I found out about MBTI and INTP community. The 'speaking same tongue, but in seemingly different languages' with other people still persists, though it I am not worried or annoyed by it as much nowadays. Your future experience may vary, but while I have encountered a lot of great people under INTP banner, none of them where perfect. Which is still a HUGE improvement over the majority of people I have met and still meet daily. I guess what I am trying to say, don't get discouraged if you don't immediately undergo a direct brain-to-brain contact with everyone here.

With that out of the way, I like your profile picture very much. I don't want to project and speculate why you chose it, but to me it seems well, INTPish. From it perceive an intricate web of metaphors, similes- it could serve as a one good illustration to explain a moderately sized part of my worldview; sensory, perception, disconfirmation biases, philosophical conundrums, outright wonky ideas, etc, while still remaining a cohesive, serene image and allowing all those ideas to fluidly intertwine with each other. All in all, my mind broke a few boxes trying to absorb it. Thank you.
 
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With that out of the way, I like your profile picture very much. I don't want to project and speculate why you chose it, but to me it seems well, INTPish. From it perceive an intricate web of metaphors, similes- it could serve as a one good illustration to explain a moderately sized part of my worldview; sensory, perception, disconfirmation biases, philosophical conundrums, outright wonky ideas, etc, while still remaining a cohesive, serene image and allowing all those ideas to fluidly intertwine with each other. All in all, my mind broke a few boxes trying to absorb it. Thank you.

You know, I already really like this community. I do put a lot of thought into names I choose, or profile pictures, or anything else that I create or use to represent myself. This has always been a secret thing though because either no one noticed, or no one cared. The fact that you not only noticed and cared, but also had something interesting to say about your observations blows my mind. Yeah, I think I'll enjoy my time here very much. :D
 

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hello new person.

i too put meticulous effort into assuring my avatar and signature match in color
 

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Welcome! I really like your username & avatar. If I saw that a book had a character name like that, I think I'd have to give it a read on principle.

Anyway, I think most of us are here to feel a little less alone in the wide world of not-INTPs, and I hope you find what you're looking for.
 
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i too put meticulous effort into assuring my avatar and signature match in color

By God you do! I bow to your artistry, good sir.

I think most of us are here to feel a little less alone in the wide world of not-INTPs, and I hope you find what you're looking for.

Thank you. I know it's still early in the game, but I feel like I have.:)
 
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