Is it hard to get a good job for immigrants?

[intpz]

Just wondering, is it hard to get a good job if you're an immigrant? Assuming that you don't have college degree AND another scenario, assuming that you don't have a PhD. Assuming that you aren't going to research, but to a "normal" well-paid job.

P.S. Just curious, ain't moving nowhere myself, and I wouldn't move if I wouldn't already HAVE a job in the first place.

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

Being an immigrant should not disadvantage you. Well, unless you can't speak the local language clearly.

 

[skip]

Depends on where you and what kind of work you're willing to do. I'm emigrated several times without having a job lined up and haven't had much of a problem finding one, although I have degrees and certifications. You want to have something to offer that the locals don't, or don't have as much of.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

P.S. Just curious, ain't moving nowhere myself, and I wouldn't move if I wouldn't already HAVE a job in the first place.

Considering going somewhere where the cashiers are paid exorbitant amounts of money compared to former USSR?

 

[intpz]

Considering going somewhere where the cashiers are paid exorbitant amounts of money compared to former USSR?

I'm not okay with being a cashier.

 

[skip]

I wouldn't move if I wouldn't already HAVE a job in the first place.

Sometimes you have to be there in person to get a good job. A lot of deception can go on long distance.

 

[Guess]

I am an immigrant and I know many other immigrants. I have to say I largely disagree with the positive positions above.

Being an immigrant is a major hindrance in order to have access to the job market. This means that either you have to have a very good set of skills which will more than offset the fact of being immmigrant or you will have to accept a much lower job/salary than the native citizens of similar skill.
See this, for example:
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/why-americans-wont-do-dirty-jobs-11092011.html

The language is not the only barrier. Many countries have very closed job markets. In rich countries, getting a work permit is huge nuisance even with a job offer. In other cases one person can get the permit, but it becomes impossible for the spouse to work.

Oh. And after you get in you have to pay as much taxes as the others...

 

[intpz]

Sometimes you have to be there in person to get a good job. A lot of deception can go on long distance.

I need at least 90% guarantee that I will get the job, OR I need enough money to fly back and forth (just in case) without losing a significant amount of money to me. Otherwise, I'm not willing to take the risk.

@Guess Damn that's a long post. I don't think I'll read it, unless I'll be up for reading and very bored, but that's a rare mood. But yea, what you wrote is quite... fucked up. Although, speaking of the language barrier, if you move to another country, you ought to learn the language, and learn it good. It's common sense.

 

[Vladimir]

I was born in 1995, just a few years after the collapse of the Soviet Union. My parents and their families grew up under the regime and when we came to America, the jobs that were available were...washing the dishes and truck driving!! That's pretty much what every Ukrainian does, UNLESS they get an education and learn the language. There are also some night-jobs people have where they just clean.

Source: Ukrainian community I grew up in.

My parents got degrees (not to mention they are smart, just didn't know the language) and my mom is a registered nurse while my Dad is some sort of technician or something. I'm lucky because of that, for I am now pretty well into the middle class.

 

[intpz]

I consider people who think that they shouldn't learn then language of the country they are going to, or learn it just so they can mildly understand when they get told "CLEAN YOUR SHIT OUT OF THE LOCKER AND GET YOUR ASS OUTTA HERE!", utter idiots.

P.S. Not having in mind anyone. Just a thought after reading two posts in here.

 

[Vrecknidj]

... but to a "normal" well-paid job.

Good luck finding a job that's both normal and that pays well.

 

[skip]

OR I need enough money to fly back and forth (just in case) without losing a significant amount of money to me.

Always, always have that money before looking for a job, otherwise it puts you at an enormous disadvantage which will be exploited by employers. I usually leave home with at least enough for a return trip and six months' living expenses. A "90% guarantee" is meaningless in some places, like Korea, where there is no such thing but they'll tell you anything they think you want to hear.

 

[intpz]

Good luck finding a job that's both normal and that pays well.

I'm not moving to Russia.

Always, always have that money before looking for a job, otherwise it puts you at an enormous disadvantage which will be exploited by employers. I usually leave home with at least enough for a return trip and six months' living expenses. A "90% guarantee" is meaningless in some places, like Korea, where there is no such thing but they'll tell you anything they think you want to hear.

I'm not moving to Korea. But yea, I agree with what you said.

Although, if speaking about me, having money for 6 months to live elsewhere, is a lot. Taxes are incredibly high elsewhere compared to where I live, food prices are the same or a bit lower though. Gas costs significantly less, but I'm not getting a car anyway. To get a Visa, you still have to get vouche from an employer though.

 

[skip]

I just get a tourist visa. If there's a short time limit on it, you can usually just pop into a neighboring country and come back, although that depends on the country. Again, that's something want to make sure you have the funds for before you emigrate. You definitely need to know all the ins and outs before you leave but that's what government and expat web sites are for.

 

[intpz]

Yea, indeed you do. I remember looking this up not that long ago, as I wanted to confirm if someone is full of shit. Turns out, he was full of shit.

 

[travelnjones]

Yes.

But really to answer the question with any credibility we would need to know several bits of info.

What sort of job? Does it require higher levels of schooling or a trade school. Anyone with related schooling or work experience is going to look good for the job.

How well do you speak the language of the country you are looking at immigrating too? Many people say you don't have to learn English in America that's politically correct bullshit. You will go much farther with much less work if you speak English.

Do you need some sort of visa paid by the company to work in the country? Its way harder to get H1B Visa's to America. H1C the health care one is pretty easy.

Is the country in a recession? Employers may be looking for anyone who will work cheap but there are some people who are going to want to help their countrymen who are hurting.

There is an idea of cultural equity in many places as well, only taking a good job may be hindered by this. You may need to prove yourself. This is present in the US but its actually very present in the more socialist nordic countries. May people say Denmark for the Danish. Any group that is seen as succeeding faster than other group that have been around longer are going to be met with resentment.

 

[DeadonDreaming]

My best friend when I was younger was an illegal alien. Pretty hard for him to get a job that wasn't construction

 

[intpz]

@travelnjones Since I'm asking this quite abstractly, I cannot give you those details. I'm not being specific to someone, for example myself. Appreciate the effort though.

@DeadonDreaming yea, one of the reasons I've created this post, wanted to update, see what's up with the situation, rumors, etc..