Is INTP the ideal personality?

[marv]

I've just recently discovered personality types and how accurate this one is for me. I've become like this because I've been searching for the best possible way a rational being among others should function in this world, with taking certain accounts in that I’ve identified as directions of wisdom. Also, while paying attention adapting to my primitive environment.

How do these categories morph when the society obtains a more advanced moral system? What if there were a society where everyone is an INTP? Wouldn’t then everyone convert to ENTP practically, be much more social and enjoy others’ attention? Where are the borders of these personality types' domain when it comes to nearing the divine man?

I judge many, if not all, of the other personality types because they include attributes that are enemies of rational and moral decision-making. Before forcing to manifest my young thoughts about this, I’m very curious of the general perspective of this concept.

 

[Jennywocky]

Usually the consensus is that, if everyone were INTP, very little would get done and the entire plumbing infrastructure would soon fail... among other things.

(Without Little Red Hens, who is going to cut the grain, grind the wheat, and bake the bread?)

 

[Brontosaurie]

no it is INFP and ENTP as exposed in my preivouse thraed

 

[marv]

no it is INFP and ENTP as exposed in my preivouse thraed

I don't see how you could come to that conclusion, since as an INFP or ENTP it would be quite hard technically to realize that - not sure about the ENTP though - . And if you can't realize that with that personality, that should imply its fallacy. Did you swap some letters in them like in the 2 words following it?

 

[Brontosaurie]

I don't see how you could come to that conclusion, since as an INFP or ENTP it would be quite hard technically to realize that - not sure about the ENTP though - . And if you can't realize that with that personality, that should imply its fallacy. Did you swap some letters in them like in the 2 words following it?

it's the personality make-up which realizes by merely being

besides, INTP is terribly lazy (because of constant criticism), so ENTP is better in that regard.

 

[BigApplePi]

What if there were a society where everyone is an INTP? Wouldn’t then everyone convert to ENTP practically, be much more social and enjoy others’ attention?

Probably what Jenny says. INTPs would consider their situation and not do much. Someone might catch on that something had to be done. They could talk about that, decide if they wanted to survive, take some democratic vote and appoint jobs for fellow INTPs. Then those INTP would give token efforts on those jobs, not like them too much but have to adhere to a lead INTP's orders. The lead INTP might not like his job too much either after trying it out for a while, but all that and more would be thought over by the group.

There is a comedy satire on this done by what's their name ... that British group.

I can see a board game where INTP's battle INFP's or another random type for survival. There would be a situation and a stack of cards indicating type behavior. Maybe Cognisant would set it up. I will lay back and see how it goes and think about what happens. I'll let you know what is going wrong. Let's get moving on this. I want to see some results by next Thursday. Who's first? I promise to check back on progress by 2015.

 

[marv]

Usually the consensus is that, if everyone were INTP, very little would get done and the entire plumbing infrastructure would soon fail... among other things.

(Without Little Red Hens, who is going to cut the grain, grind the wheat, and bake the bread?)

Yeah, it was an abstract model, but you should have gotten the target of query by it. Specifically the different attitudes towards social relations.

 

[paradoxparadigm7]

I've just recently discovered personality types and how accurate this one is for me. I've become like this because I've been searching for the best possible way a rational being among others should function in this world, with taking certain accounts in that I’ve identified as directions of wisdom. Also, while paying attention adapting to my primitive environment.

How do these categories morph when the society obtains a more advanced moral system? What if there were a society where everyone is an INTP? Wouldn’t then everyone convert to ENTP practically, be much more social and enjoy others’ attention? Where are the borders of these personality types' domain when it comes to nearing the divine man?

I judge many, if not all, of the other personality types because they include attributes that are enemies of rational and moral decision-making. Before forcing to manifest my young thoughts about this, I’m very curious of the general perspective of this concept.

This seems to be a short-sighted perspective. I would imagine if the world were all one type, any type, it would fit with your words "be much more social and enjoy others’ attention". But you're only looking at the positives. I'd imagine humans would lose their evolutionary edge and quickly diminish in supremacy. Human kind's proliferation and advancement (at least part of it) is as a result of the social tensions in a diverse global society.

 

[Jennywocky]

This seems to be a short-sighted perspective. I would imagine if the world were all one type, any type, it would fit with your words "be much more social and enjoy others’ attention". But you're only looking at the positives. I'd imagine humans would lose their evolutionary edge and quickly diminish in supremacy. Human kind's proliferation and advancement (at least part of it) is as a result of the social tensions in a diverse global society.

Good point, and it reminds me also that bad qualities/weaknesses multiply in homogeneous populations on the large scale. Diversity would be a strength in the long term.

 

[Goku]

I've just recently discovered personality types and how accurate this one is for me. I've become like this because I've been searching for the best possible way a rational being among others should function in this world, with taking certain accounts in that I’ve identified as directions of wisdom. Also, while paying attention adapting to my primitive environment.

How do these categories morph when the society obtains a more advanced moral system? What if there were a society where everyone is an INTP? Wouldn’t then everyone convert to ENTP practically, be much more social and enjoy others’ attention? Where are the borders of these personality types' domain when it comes to nearing the divine man?

I judge many, if not all, of the other personality types because they include attributes that are enemies of rational and moral decision-making. Before forcing to manifest my young thoughts about this, I’m very curious of the general perspective of this concept.

"Rational" is very subjective based on one's values and goals. An "advanced" moral system may see that it is rational to exterminate half the world's population to save the other half, to conserve resources, or some other utilitarian decision that pits the lives of the many against the lives of the few.

A perfect world, in my opinion, is one that can accommodate each human. The world should be shaped to fit each of us, instead of the other way around.

INTPs are actually ill equipped to survive in this world. We are very lucky to be alive in the age of the Internet.

 

[The Introvert]

No.

 

[Helvete]

it's the personality make-up which realizes by merely being

besides, INTP is terribly lazy (because of constant criticism), so ENTP is better in that regard.

Yes but in this ideology, INTP's wouldn't receive so much criticism as there wouldn't be the other personality types to criticise us.
And we may end up being much more extroverted anyway as we understand each other much better than others do.

 

[BigApplePi]

"Rational" is very subjective based on one's values and goals.

Agreed. Values mean feelings.

An "advanced" moral system may see that it is rational to exterminate half the world's population to save the other half, to conserve resources, or some other utilitarian decision that pits the lives of the many against the lives of the few.

We have to find a way to get from here to there.

A perfect world, in my opinion, is one that can accommodate each human. The world should be shaped to fit each of us, instead of the other way around.

We need to hire a perfectionist.

INTPs are actually ill equipped to survive in this world. We are very lucky to be alive in the age of the Internet.

I wish my internet service would stay up. A tree keeps bringing down the line when it storms.

 

[Goku]

No.

INTJs seem to enjoy saying "no" out loud

 

[Analyzer]

No ENTJ is.

 

[BigApplePi]

INTJs seem to enjoy saying "no" out loud

No? Are you sure?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg2u_De8j5o

 

[paradoxparadigm7]

A perfect world, in my opinion, is one that can accommodate each human. The world should be shaped to fit each of us, instead of the other way around.

INTPs are actually ill equipped to survive in this world. We are very lucky to be alive in the age of the Internet.

Humm...interesting thought (a flip of the go-to response). How would you go about constructing this world a la MBTI? I'll throw one in there: The world is dominated by Te rules/policies/procedures/uniformity. Balance that out with a lessening of rules but not too much. If a balance of all 16 functions were achieved in the real world, we'd be accommodated. Goldilocks would find her comfort zone

Yes, I know I'm derailing. I'll stop now.

 

[Goku]

Humm...interesting thought (a flip of the go-to response). How would you go about constructing this world a la MBTI? I'll throw one in there: The world is dominated by Te rules/policies/procedures/uniformity. Balance that out with a lessening of rules but not too much. If a balance of all 16 functions were achieved in the real world, we'd be accommodated. Goldilocks would find her comfort zone

Yes, I know I'm derailing. I'll stop now.

I would go mad trying to balance subjective goals

If we allow technology to fully alleviate all our material desires, then humans will procreate like rabbits then destroy themselves because they overpopulated too much in too short a period of time.

You kind of have to starve some of them to death to keep the quality of life high for the alive ones.

I'd rather not be in a position to make these decisions.

My most favored ruling structure would be a triumvirate, consisting of an INTP, INTJ, and INFP. The INTP would generate all the ideas and possibilities while the INTJ would encourage making a decision on the most effective choice and the INFP would make sure we weren't violating any human element (too much) with the decision. They all three would have great foresight to gauge the potential immediate and long-term effects of social policies.

 

[marv]

Everyone seems to focus on the subject of how humanity would look like if everyone was INTP suddenly.. Well, if everyone takes into account himself and multiples it by billions, then applies today's social structure, no wonder we'd get to mass suicides, collapse of the working layer and anarchism.. Let that marinate for a minute.

I believe how extraverted an INTP is, depends on how similar he finds the surrounding people of him, naturally.

like how Helvete finally realized:

Yes but in this ideology, INTP's wouldn't receive so much criticism as there wouldn't be the other personality types to criticise us.
And we may end up being much more extroverted anyway as we understand each other much better than others do.

So there's one example how flexible these categories can be. But I originally asked which personality type is ideal, or which is closest to the personality type of the "übermench", if there were also others like him whom he could interact with.

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INTPs are actually ill equipped to survive in this world. We are very lucky to be alive in the age of the Internet.

INTPs are ill equipped to survive in this world because they understand this world - mostly -. If the - certain type of - male black widow knew he's probably gonna get eaten by his lover, he wouldn't sniff around anymore her skirt. And that would mean the extinction of the race, but is not derived from his illness to survive but the fallacy of the system itself...

"Rational" is very subjective based on one's values and goals. An "advanced" moral system may see that it is rational to exterminate half the world's population to save the other half, to conserve resources, or some other utilitarian decision that pits the lives of the many against the lives of the few.

Rationality becomes less and less subjective when you get to know bigger and bigger truths. So don't hop back to square one. Of course you can bring problems with personal relations, like: "who would you save 100 random children or yours?". In this case you don't really utilize rationality all, just some kind of mixture of instinctive drive and egoistic hope.

A perfect world, in my opinion, is one that can accommodate each human. The world should be shaped to fit each of us, instead of the other way around.

I just find that sort of idiotic. The majority of humans require external thrives and false goals to maintain their type of personalities, which force stupidity and compulsion on others.

 

[pjoa09]

I think ENTJs and ESTPs would be ideal personalities.

THE TYPE THAT GETS SHIT DONE.

 

[marv]

I think ENTJs and ESTPs would be ideal personalities.

THE TYPE THAT GETS SHIT DONE.

Do you seriously think that's the main point?

 

[Void]

Alright cut the crap.

Ideality is a matter of circumstance and perspective. There's no such thing as an ideal type per se.

INTP's might seem ideal because they are think-tanks, but they can hardly wash their own hair on a regular basis.

INFP's might seem ideal because they have the best understanding of human feelings, but they can't figure out a space program

ENTP's might seem ideal because they can figure out things like a space program, but I don't know enough about them to know what they'd be bad at but I'm sure there's something.

This goes for any type. Any configuration of Primary + Auxilary ( + tert maybe, I don't know) has something in which they excel, yet at the same time they suck at their inferior. Every type is ideal for something, but no type is ideal for everything. Stop lying to yourselves.

 

[marv]

Crap has just arrived, there were minor crap so far. Don't mix your irrationalism with other rationalistic perspectives, consider it as an alternative worldview not as some kind of divine philosophy that has influence on everything else.

I'm an INTP but I have very developed emotional intelligence, better than any XXEX would normally have.

 

[Void]

So, I just explained that ideality is a matter of perspective, and now you accuse me of having the wrong perspective? Alright, that's it, I'm outta here.

 

[marv]

So, I just explained that ideality is a matter of perspective, and now you accuse me of having the wrong perspective? Alright, that's it, I'm outta here.

You explained ideality is a matter of perspective, I already knew that. What I'm talking about is the convergence of rational perspectives... how they merge and point out a wise ideal.

Now you would say how irrelevant wisdom is from that kind of irrationalist and maybe even irrealist perpective, pelase don't. Maybe you are right in a sense, but don't be the personal hitman of this hope, also I think you should get (more) familiar with the elegance of universe through some sort of science.

 

[Void]

hmm, I missed that. If I knew you were talking about a somewhat utopian society I wouldn't have bothered making a reply. I'll see myself out, thank you.

 

[Pikachu]

I vote for ENTJ, because I've always wanted to be one.

 

[Classic]

I think if everybody were an INTP, we'd have a capitalist utopia. We're practically homo economicus.

 

[Base groove]

I'm behind Void on this,

You need people of all types or else typology isn't even valid,firstly, but that's probably not a relevant or rational point to you, Marv.

ESTP are do-ers, no denying, but the inferior Ni can make it difficult to convince them when the evidence "appears" to contradict what you're envisioning. Still, the ENTJ might, as an extrovert, rely heavier on Se to validate the accuracy of their intuitions, like checking your answer before handing in the test, and therefore might be a better partner for ESTP.

ENTJ can put a lot of pressure on people to improve, this is an unwelcome advance especially on introverts.

INTJ unfortunately has no partner except for INTP however INTP might feel annoyed and retreat which would of course start a war.

 

[Cognisant]

Maybe Cognisant would set it up.

I'm full of ideas but we need the focusing lens of an INTJ to actually make it happen.

 

[marv]

I'm behind Void on this,

You need people of all types or else typology isn't even valid,firstly, but that's probably not a relevant or rational point to you...

Why I said what I said to Void was not based on mainly what he posted here, so please quit your sarcasm.

Your aspect is rational but not relevant, I emphasize for the third time, try not to focus on the society of INTP's since I only proposed that in the beginning to stress out how flexible these categories are depending on the social environment. -.-

It would be very interesting to theorize about an ideal society with the best, or most efficient possible moral system and what kind of humans could constitute it, but for that first we'd have to portray those who would make it up in the first place.

Know the mind, and you know humanity itself.

 

[Pikachu]

I'm behind Void on this,

You need people of all types or else typology isn't even valid,firstly, but that's probably not a relevant or rational point to you, Marv.

ESTP are do-ers, no denying, but the inferior Ni can make it difficult to convince them when the evidence "appears" to contradict what you're envisioning. Still, the ENTJ might, as an extrovert, rely heavier on Se to validate the accuracy of their intuitions, like checking your answer before handing in the test, and therefore might be a better partner for ESTP.

ENTJ can put a lot of pressure on people to improve, this is an unwelcome advance especially on introverts.

INTJ unfortunately has no partner except for INTP however INTP might feel annoyed and retreat which would of course start a war.

ENTJs are the best leader ever, IMO.
They're not just putting pressure, but guide and show the way.
Not only that, they are very responsible and never hesitate to take the blame as a leader.

 

[Goku]

ENTJs are the best leader ever, IMO.
They're not just putting pressure, but guide and show the way.
Not only that, they are very responsible and never hesitate to take the blame as a leader.

use your introverted intuition to see the potential drawbacks--

you'd end up with a very inefficient system and a bunch of overbearing people

however, if they are all this way, then nobody would be around to point out the inefficiency so everyone would live in ignorant bliss

if ignorant bliss is the end goal, then personality type doesn't matter; just exterminate all those with IQ above 110 and you've created a utopia.

 

[Pikachu]

use your introverted intuition to see the potential drawbacks--

you'd end up with a very inefficient system and a bunch of overbearing people

however, if they are all this way, then nobody would be around to point out the inefficiency so everyone would live in ignorant bliss

if ignorant bliss is the end goal, then personality type doesn't matter; just exterminate all those with IQ above 110 and you've created a utopia.

Even those with only average IQ and live in remote areas can get gold medals in International Physics Olympiad if they have great teachers.

http://www.suryainstitute.org/en/content/view/13/26/

^
That organization teaches and trains students from zero to hero.

I hope I can be an ENTJ.

 

[Goku]

Even those with only average IQ and live in remote areas can get gold medals in International Physics Olympiad if they have great teachers.

http://www.suryainstitute.org/en/content/view/13/26/

^
That organization teaches and trains students from zero to hero.

I hope I can be an ENTJ.

Physics, as it is taught now, involves recognizing that a problem fits a specific pattern, then has to do with applying pre-defined equations to solve that problem.

What happens when the xxxJ encounters a new problem for which no pre-defined equation has been prepared?

They will start to make band-aid decisions.

For example, poor people are not making enough wages to live a decent life. Government say, "I have a great idea, let's institute minimum wage and force employers to pay all people a certain amount."

^that's my example of a very xxxJ band-aid type approach to solve a problem.

A society without P-types, you would unlikely have ever invented nuclear technology, the wheel, or even fire.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

it's the personality make-up which realizes by merely being

besides, INTP is terribly lazy (because of constant criticism), so ENTP is better in that regard.

INFP are equally lazy, ENTP are brainstorming tyrants if not pleased by idealistic INFP.

Best system of personalities? There is none, however I can see the quasi stable connections of functions.
One that doesn't improve or deteriorate, one that maintains and relies on tradition and community.

Primary, Si
Aux, Fe
Tert, Ti
Inf, Ne

Another thought is that it doesn't matter if the personality is accomplishing, I would say that observing and careful personalities are better, or safer than the innovators and the ambitious.

 

[OmoInisa]

There is indeed no type that's 'better' than any other. One could only say that one type is more suited to x than another type. And even that comes with the qualification that success in a certain objective is not all down to aptitude; application plays a part too.

Also, when people compare types, they're often comparing pretty imbalanced examples of those types. The more well developed and rounded a person is, the less firmly they fit into a particular type. So I would guess that most of us on this forum are here not only because we're rather imbalanced and so firmly identify as INTPs, but also because we're off-centre enough to see value and relevance in a community of fellow INTPs.

So to take up the theme of the thread, I would say that the ideal world is one in which most people are close to the centre, but where there is a small minority of hardcore individuals of all types.

 

[The Void]

The ideal personality don't exist.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

The ideal personality don't exist.

The ideal doesn't exist, you seem to have already said this. Why did you repeat this statement? I'm curious.

 

[Void]

The ideal doesn't exist, you seem to have already said this. Why did you repeat this statement? I'm curious.

I'm afraid you are mistaking him with me.

Why I said what I said to Void was not based on mainly what he posted here(..)

it wasn't? Tell me more.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

I'm afraid you are mistaking him with me.

Alright cut the crap.

Ideality is a matter of circumstance and perspective. There's no such thing as an ideal type per se.

If I understand correctly I will rephrase:
Why your past self decided to repost what your even earlier self already accomplished?

 

[marv]

...Best system of personalities?...

Not necessarily of "personalities". I'm acutely skeptical if these categories' of personalities still "work" when you are actually examining scientifically more literate and philosophically more active and flexible people, with some of influence of humanism.

 

[Brontosaurie]

having immediate access to several voids is a peculiar kind of luxury

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

having immediate access to several voids is a peculiar kind of luxury

Do you have some insight on this?

Now i see, so there is The Void and Void. And they seem to agree on this matter.

Should I be apologetic towards nothingness for mistaking nothing for nothing?

I am asking for your tolerance or forgiveness on this, or nothing.

 

[Brontosaurie]

Do you have some insight on this?

Now i see, so there is The Void and Void. And they seem to agree on this matter.

Should I be apologetic towards nothingness for mistaking nothing for nothing?

I am asking for your tolerance or forgiveness on this, or nothing.

i suspect they're both kinda persons

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

i suspect they're both kinda persons

You are right. I am regretting this now. Sorry Void I never meant to mistake you for The Void. Sorry The Void I didn't mean to devoid you of your definite article "The"

 

[marv]

I'm afraid you are mistaking him with me.

it wasn't? Tell me more.

Hahahhaa, lol, I have mistaken you with "The Void" too, sorry for what I've said earlier.

 

[Void]

Ah well, it was fun while it lasted .

I was nothing first!

OOH yellow!

 

[The Void]

Interesting.

 

[Pikachu]

If only there's "A Void" too.