INTx? Help

[Nihilmatic]

I understand each function and how it works and although the last letter determines which functions you dominate with, which plays a huge role since INTJ and INTP functions are reversed, I think my "ADD" (even though I believe in doesn't exist but that is a different topic) might play a massive role into confusion.

So basically I come up with a possibility for each scenario. For example, I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was a child which might make me come off as an E/INTP troll, but in reality I'm an INTJ. I was pretty creative and detached as child, where I got scolded at several times in elementary school because i never paid attention. This could be Ti supplemented with Ne or well developed Ni.

I have always found sports and just the thrill of it amazing, I always loved feeling in the moment, or even looking down from 60 stories up just for the thrill. This is definitly Se, but socionics function order is not necessary true, because external factors can definitly over develop a function that is seen to be extremely weak. INTPs also have a lot of potential for being athletes but most general tend not to.

My hobbies
-Reading psychology and human behavior
-Chess
-League of Legends (Cancer community, but the strategy keeps me attached + the fact that im considered high elo, diamond 1)
-Daydreaming
-Solitary walks
-Sports

I've been 83% sure that I was an INTJ but the fact that I tend to troll or even unaware I'm trolling (I remember several moments when people gave me step by step instructions on to do things but when I do them they usually laugh or scold me because I managed to bend each step to make it easier without realizing it) make me feel like INTP. I studied the functions but I could stacked with Ni creativity and weak Te (since I procrastinate everything because I really just dont want to do it) as an INTJ with ADD, or INTP.

..... help

 

[dark+matters]

Hello, Nihilmatic-

Would you like us to try and help you type yourself? What is your age?

 

[onesteptwostep]

^ I'm guessing early 20s.. eh until Architect gets here it's probably going to be hard

Here's a question, why do you play LoL? And by what method do you improve (at it)? And do you have an aim with all the knowledge you gain or is it just a curiosity? And characterize your interactions with people. Most of what you wrote were interactions with ideas and things (non-people).

I'm not sure, but you could be ISTP with a strong iNtuitive bent- with what you said so far.

 

[Nihilmatic]

Hello, Nihilmatic-

Would you like us to try and help you type yourself? What is your age?

Basically. I'm 19 btw. Although the tests aren't a good source for accuracy I tend to get INTJ or INTP, it doesn't differ from those two.

 

[Nihilmatic]

^ I'm guessing early 20s.. eh until Architect gets here it's probably going to be hard

Here's a question, why do you play LoL? And by what method do you improve (at it)? And do you have an aim with all the knowledge you gain or is it just a curiosity? And characterize your interactions with people. Most of what you wrote were interactions with ideas and things (non-people).

I'm not sure, but you could be ISTP with a strong iNtuitive bent- with what you said so far.

I always enjoy anything that revolved around strategy, I used to play Starcraft II at a semi professional level (low grandmaster and high master) about 3 years ago. But it died off in terms of popularity and the imbalance between the races really put me off so I quit and and transitioned my dexterity and strategic abilities to league instead. Everything I do is usually due to curiosity and nothing else. I just want to know. And my interaction with people isn't too difficult but I sure as hell to get bored by them and small talk. I don't like asking about the weather or gossiping and I'm told by my closest friends that I'm really condescending. I more or so enjoy observing people and learning how the interact, than actually INTERACTING, that just drains me.

 

[Nihilmatic]

^ I'm guessing early 20s.. eh until Architect gets here it's probably going to be hard

Here's a question, why do you play LoL? And by what method do you improve (at it)? And do you have an aim with all the knowledge you gain or is it just a curiosity? And characterize your interactions with people. Most of what you wrote were interactions with ideas and things (non-people).

I'm not sure, but you could be ISTP with a strong iNtuitive bent- with what you said so far.

Who's architect? This reminds me, I plan on becoming an architect and its going to one of my majors. It's mostly because this world is limited as fuck, and being an architect is one of the only ways I can be creative AND support myself financially.

 

[OrLevitate]

Who's architect? This reminds me, I plan on becoming an architect and its going to one of my majors. It's mostly because this world is limited as fuck, and being an architect is one of the only ways I can be creative AND support myself financially.

Going into architecture for the financial aspect, do you need schooling beyond an undergraduate degree? But it's because it's the only way you can incorporate creativity into your american 40 hour per week routine for the organism of the economy. How fucking boring!!!!!!

Meet this now, or

 

[Nihilmatic]

Going into architecture for the financial aspect, do you need schooling beyond an undergraduate degree? But it's because it's the only way you can incorporate creativity into your american 40 hour per week routine for the organism of the economy. How fucking boring!!!!!!

This world is boring dude. We live in a mindless society. Boring world with boring people who do boring things. I went into several debates with my ENTJ friends about how no matter how much power and influence I have i cant change this world, itll just cycle back into the pathetic mundane routine it always comes to no matter what. We're gonna become extinct which is inevitable. But its pretty hypocritical because you probably do the same thing, struggling in moronic society. What's your solution? O.o

 

[OrLevitate]

This world is boring dude. We live in a mindless society. Boring world with boring people who do boring things. I went into several debates with my ENTJ friends about how no matter how much power and influence I have i cant change this world, itll just cycle back into the pathetic mundane routine it always comes to no matter what. We're gonna become extinct which is inevitable. But its pretty hypocritical because you probably do the same thing, struggling in moronic society. What's your solution? O.o

firstuvall u didn't offer a solution, you reconciled the whatevs by being part of it. I howp u knows that you are supppppper boringz. just like fyi. for your information. you are super boring. "i don't like th eborings, so i be architect which is dumb choice financially and work hours wise (incoming overtim) but i cn lik draw which i associatge with creativity"""""""

Solutions. The problem is. What? For you

 

[OrLevitate]

dude all you need is some walls and a roof. I've always thought and still do that architecture is one of the most pointless professions. at best you make conspicuously unneecessarily strange structures for rich people which pay you a lot? when they all actually know that cob buildings, and other natural building processes are optimal in every. single. way. I mean if you were to be a carpenter then I do have respect for you

 

[Nihilmatic]

firstuvall u didn't offer a solution, you reconciled the whatevs by being part of it. I howp u knows that you are supppppper boringz. just like fyi. for your information. you are super boring. "i don't like th eborings, so i be architect which is dumb choice financially and work hours wise (incoming overtim) but i cn lik draw which i associatge with creativity"""""""

Solutions. The problem is. What? For you

Is that even English?

 

[OrLevitate]

errr

 

[Nihilmatic]

dude all you need is some walls and a roof. I've always thought and still do that architecture is one of the most pointless professions. at best you make conspicuously unneecessarily strange structures for rich people which pay you a lot? when they all actually know that cob buildings, and other natural building processes are optimal in every. single. way. I mean if you were to be a carpenter then I do have respect for you

Every profession is pointless. It has more to do with enjoying your life even if it's a sociopath killing for amusement, because there is no afterlife, or "judgement day" from "God".

 

[OrLevitate]

ya hey i agree with you there. it's a self regulating system. you're self regulating too. for whatever reason you want to do it, you want to do it. but you said it's because of the creativity. ask any architect, i think there are some actual architects here. You don't get to be creative.

Hey lets put a window in the ground, oh wait no, i guess we have to put it in the walls. unless you're gaudi.
Then you can use slightly different finishes on the exterior, and use a lot of unecessary buttresses that are ostensibly creative only due to the fact that archtiecture is out of necessity so constrictive because duh.
let's make square windows, oh wait the concord blew up or something because square windows, but this is a stationary object, we can make square windows niiiiiiiiice.

 

[OrLevitate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikpmlfsENec

most can't handle simple gamma rays, it's fine, go into architecture, have weird dreams, be late, skip classes spending your time online researching potential futures. it's the american dream

 

[Nihilmatic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikpmlfsENec

most can't handle simple gamma rays, it's fine, go into architecture, have weird dreams, be late, skip classes spending your time online researching potential futures. it's the american dream

What's your profession and what do you do? And the American dream is more about having a house with a mindless rights deprived wife and delusional kids while you work an office job, eat shit sleep and repeat until you die and your kids grieve and that's it. It's more of a delusional way of living that fits 99% of society because they are so simple minded.

 

[OrLevitate]

"american delusion oops dream = delusions and simple mindedness" - nihilmatic

and
HOOH HOOH HOOH

 

[Yellow]

Welcome Nihimatic!

I wibble-wobbled in my tests between INTJ and INTP at first. Once I learned more about the types, I saw that I was quite definitely an INTP (a visit to INTJforum helped me see the differences).

Between the two, on the surface, INTPs have a bit more patience with people. We like to take our time with decisions, and we're not bothered too much by clutter. INTJs are rather decisive, they prefer things to be tidy, and they don't really have much tolerance for the shortcomings of others.

Also, don't mind OrLevitate. He gets like this from time to time for no obvious reason, but he's mostly harmless

 

[onesteptwostep]

Yeah, don't mind OrLeviate, he's our resident 'pessimistic deconstructionist'

And yeah, INTJ's are stereotypically cold-hearted towards people, while INTPs, if I may steal from a meme, are the 'warmest machines'. From how I see it from your posts, your Fe hasn't developed enough to make you notice it. INTPs generally get drained when they interact with people, but they get better at it, usually. It's probably the quest of mastery that draws you to RTS games.

This is interesting though, I played broodwar and warcraft 3. I bought sc2 but never got around to it since college came around. But anyway, all hail Lee Young Ho!
You could probably guess what race I played hehe.

And Architect is one of the members here.. he'll be on evidentually.

 

[Brontosaurie]

are we having orlevitate banned for real any time soon? that shit is too much, every single time. whether he's a sulky puddle of goo or an actual psychopath or both is irrelevant.

 

[Architect]

Sports is an obvious ISTP indicator. INTP's and INFJ's have nothing in their stack that would lead to an interest in sports, and in fact everything is against it. In real life typing I've never seen an identified INTP who went beyond some light sports interest. The only examples I've seen are ones who run, cycle or play light golf. More rarely I've seen examples of ones who engage in light sports watching, like going to a basketball game with friends. Of course it goes without saying that there will be some outlier INTP's who enjoy sports, but it's not common.

Not a lot to go on here, but given the strong interest in sports and thrill seeking I'd say ISTP, with an inferior attraction pushing you to self type to INTP/INTJ.

 

[Bock]

..... help

Stop playing LoL, start playing dota2.

 

[Nihilmatic]

lol he got banned? I actually liked him xD

 

[Nihilmatic]

Sports is an obvious ISTP indicator. INTP's and INFJ's have nothing in their stack that would lead to an interest in sports, and in fact everything is against it. In real life typing I've never seen an identified INTP who went beyond some light sports interest. The only examples I've seen are ones who run, cycle or play light golf. More rarely I've seen examples of ones who engage in light sports watching, like going to a basketball game with friends. Of course it goes without saying that there will be some outlier INTP's who enjoy sports, but it's not common.

Not a lot to go on here, but given the strong interest in sports and thrill seeking I'd say ISTP, with an inferior attraction pushing you to self type to INTP/INTJ.

I've lost interest in sports during my senior year of highschool. But I still wouldn't mind the thrills of sky diving or something similar. I was only extremely athletic throughout my elementary-highschool years. It's only a two year difference from highschool but I doubt I'm an ISTP.

Which function is the one where I daydream constantly, lose attention to anything I find boring (which is a lot of things), and only become interested in something if its interesting and I want mastery in it. I am usually in my own world and my friends told me I look like I'm plotting someone's death. I always zone out when I get bored, which is most of the time. The only time I actually interact with people is when I find someone that's interesting (stands out and isn't mindlessly stupid). I have good social skills but I don't want to interact with egotistical people.

 

[Brontosaurie]

here's when you should consider ENTP i guess

 

[Nihilmatic]

here's when you should consider ENTP i guess

I see why you say that but I've been pretty socially awkward until I started studying and reading psychology books (middleschool)-and started developing confidence in all my theories and anything in highschool-cuz i didnt understand why i got bullied. INTP fits pretty well since I was outcasted in middleschool. But I do like provoking people for amusement... This is where the mbti falls apart and I studied the functions I'm most likely an Ni dom but Ti dom with strong Ne doesn't seem off either.

 

[Nihilmatic]

Welcome Nihimatic!

I wibble-wobbled in my tests between INTJ and INTP at first. Once I learned more about the types, I saw that I was quite definitely an INTP (a visit to INTJforum helped me see the differences).

Between the two, on the surface, INTPs have a bit more patience with people. We like to take our time with decisions, and we're not bothered too much by clutter. INTJs are rather decisive, they prefer things to be tidy, and they don't really have much tolerance for the shortcomings of others.

Also, don't mind OrLevitate. He gets like this from time to time for no obvious reason, but he's mostly harmless

From your profile picture and your post you come off as an INFJ to me.

 

[Belak]

Welcome Nihilmatic

I too have had troubles with intp vs intj, but I'm pretty sure I am intp.

Architecture sounds interesting, and, who gives a shit what everyone else says, it's your life; however, some of the INTPs on this forum can provide valuable insights, so keep that in mind.

Sports is an obvious ISTP indicator. INTP's and INFJ's have nothing in their stack that would lead to an interest in sports, and in fact everything is against it. In real life typing I've never seen an identified INTP who went beyond some light sports interest. The only examples I've seen are ones who run, cycle or play light golf. More rarely I've seen examples of ones who engage in light sports watching, like going to a basketball game with friends. Of course it goes without saying that there will be some outlier INTP's who enjoy sports, but it's not common.

Ironically, I just got back from playing a game of soccer. I love soccer, the intricacies of the game, strategy, analyzing your opponents. I may be the outlier intp or maybe I am istp, who knows. Just wondering why it is that they have "nothing in their stack" that would lead to an interest in sports.

Of course, I'm still in highschool, so that could be a deciding factor.

 

[Relic]

So I read the OP and then got bored with all the filler garbage that occurred in between until the question was lost. So I'm skipping down here to address your question and hope I can give you some insight to whether you are an intp or intj.

My brother is a VERY strong INTJ and I'm a very strong INTP the main difference between the two of us is the confidence that he has over me. The reason for this is because of his dominant function being Ni. Ni function causes him to look at a situation that is happening now and determine what he needs to do to make the plan he has in his mind for the future a reality. He will accomplish this by his Te function. His Te function is very different from an Ti function because it is step by step by step. Someone with an Te function follows everything in order one step at a time, they will not complete step two or even contemplate it without completing step one. This is very different from an Ti which thinks about every step in random order. Someone with Ti might think about step four before even thinking that there was a step one to a process. INTJ's are not like this. All that matters to them is the next step in the process and nothing else. Also INTJ's do not waver in their idea. Instead of making an outline and adapting it on the fly like an INTP, an INTJ will make one plan and will make it work no matter what happens and who is against them. Also INTP's tend to see more about the possibilities of things in life and can see in a wholistic way (meaning they see everything that could possibly be. INTJ's think linearly which means they see only one direction and option as the correct way (this makes them extremely arrogant and confident over an INTP because they know they will make their solution work and never see a possibility of failure, like we INTP's do so well lol) hope that helps!!!

 

[dark+matters]

I did a looooot of changing still when I was 20. If you can remember how you were as a very young child, it might help you figure out your type. I clearly remember conforming to the INTP stereotype as a child, and the IxFP one as a teenager. We have to change for our environments over time, so I think it gets harder to type someone when they are older. But then again, most of us get filtered by our interests as well, so I dunno. But the childhood thing seems like a good thought exercise.

I was a sports-a-holic for a while, but it was mainly in martial arts where I could absorb philosophies and imagine the flow of energies. The sports thing died off after my early twenties though. I ran out of time and interest.

My dad was an INTJ and mom was an ISTJ, and one letter can really make a ridiculously huge difference, if we take all this typing stuff somewhat seriously. Hanging out on INTJforum.com or joining another MBTI group if in-person NTs are not available might help you. Interacting on forums for the other types may help too (and asking your friends to get typed at your college as well. Online tests are even sketchier than the original ones.). I've tested as every variant on the 4 letters, but that childhood exercise seems to be the most telling for me. Good luck!

 

[Nihilmatic]

So I read the OP and then got bored with all the filler garbage that occurred in between until the question was lost. So I'm skipping down here to address your question and hope I can give you some insight to whether you are an intp or intj.

My brother is a VERY strong INTJ and I'm a very strong INTP the main difference between the two of us is the confidence that he has over me. The reason for this is because of his dominant function being Ni. Ni function causes him to look at a situation that is happening now and determine what he needs to do to make the plan he has in his mind for the future a reality. He will accomplish this by his Te function. His Te function is very different from an Ti function because it is step by step by step. Someone with an Te function follows everything in order one step at a time, they will not complete step two or even contemplate it without completing step one. This is very different from an Ti which thinks about every step in random order. Someone with Ti might think about step four before even thinking that there was a step one to a process. INTJ's are not like this. All that matters to them is the next step in the process and nothing else. Also INTJ's do not waver in their idea. Instead of making an outline and adapting it on the fly like an INTP, an INTJ will make one plan and will make it work no matter what happens and who is against them. Also INTP's tend to see more about the possibilities of things in life and can see in a wholistic way (meaning they see everything that could possibly be. INTJ's think linearly which means they see only one direction and option as the correct way (this makes them extremely arrogant and confident over an INTP because they know they will make their solution work and never see a possibility of failure, like we INTP's do so well lol) hope that helps!!!

Wow this comment was extremely insightful, thank you. But I have a question, let's say an INTJ and INTP are given a step by step manual on.... building a wormhole (why not). What would occur both inside their heads and outwardly on how to approach the creation of a wormhole? Generally/stereo-typically speaking. I know you said that INTJ may go step by step while INTP skips around, but what about in this scenario (be creative if you want). It will help me (idk why but it just will...)

And additional information about myself, when I get aggravated by someone with a stick up their ass, ignorant, egotistical, narcissistic, etc, I tend to fk with them without them noticing, or become EXTREMELY sarcastic, even if they don't know me, and their authoritarian rank (if it exists) doesn't bother me.

 

[Spirit]

Op is a young istp but doesn't know it yet. Daydreaming is not a strong enough sign of Ne. It would make sense for emerging Ni. But when Op started talking about mastery. That's when it made more sense to go ISTP. Istp have a strong urge to grab an interest and hammer it into the ground and know it deeply inside and out.

OP, explain what you liked and disliked about the last sports or physical activity/hobbies you perform. Use as much imagery, sounds, textures as you are able in your explanation.

Istp save their energy for something that interests them and then attack it with all their energy.

 

[Nihilmatic]

Op is a young istp but doesn't know it yet. Daydreaming is not a strong enough sign of Ne. It would make sense for emerging Ni. But when Op started talking about mastery. That's when it made more sense to go ISTP. Istp have a strong urge to grab an interest and hammer it into the ground and know it deeply inside and out.

OP, explain what you liked and disliked about the last sports or physical activity/hobbies you perform. Use as much imagery, sounds, textures as you are able in your explanation.

Istp save their energy for something that interests them and then attack it with all their energy.

Honestly I doubt I'm an ISTP. I Honestly thought I was a INTJ for a good while until I got scolded at on the INTJforum for trolling. I'm definitely a rational, and as a child my teacher recommended me for add and once even special Ed because I never paid attention. I remember when a nice lady came to me and took me to a room to solve a bunch of puzzles (which I loved) but I didn't understand why I was there (this was around 3rd grade). I loved basketball then handball (well known sport ONLY in NYC), I was on the team but just lost interest, it wasn't intellectually intriguing enough. I started to love chess and caught on to it extremely fast (most likely because of my knack for strategy). My INFP friend told me I'm definitely and INTJ. If you met me in real life you would never guess that I played sports, no one expects it. As a child I would just create my own worlds with story lines and I would always be the badass protagonist (lol). And Myers Briggs is accurate to some degree where people surround themselves with their type (rational with rational guardian with guardians etc) my best friends are all strong intuitives (INTJ INTP INFP INTJ ENTJ ENTP I've known them since middle school the other 4 got added in high school I doubt I'll ever lose respect and memories with them. I noticed whenever I abalyze people I gravitate toward intuitive types and want them as my friends because I can connect with them. I never really cared about having a gf or being in a relationship (ever) but an ENFP seem like a great partner. I also tend to test people and wouldn't mind utterly insulting someone just to observe their reaction, you learn the most about someone by observing how they control anger and how they react

 

[onesteptwostep]

I'm just gonna go with my gut feeling and say INTP. You were into soccer for the strategy and for the run. Your Fe hasn't developed since you haven't been exposed and forced to situations that allow it for growth.

I asked the question about improving your LoL skills because INTPs tend to watch replays tons to understand the game. They have this intuitive grasp on timings and understand the metagame in a fluid manner. The difference between a great player and a medicore player is that a great player anaylses the entire game in its totality. It looks at the game through the other person's perspective, in addition to their own. It can feel the psychological state of the other player just by interacting with him in the game. And that's what strategy games are at the highest level, psychological warfare/endurance. All that knowing what the items do, what things cost, what the speed is and how much time it takes to make them, terrain elements, and so on and so forth, that's just homework.

INTPs tend to have the greatest potential gaming if they disconnect their emotion from the game and approach it in a 'meta' way. INTJ gamers tend to be stubborn in their own styles and aren't willing to change, from what I've seen with all the INTJ gamers (2~3) I've played with. They use a linear approach to gaming. I think there's this master chess player (Magnus Carlsen) who's considered an INTP- he used to play aggressive but now he's learned to master all the styles in order to play. He has a understanding of the game in its totality as WELL as all the psychological states and styles. You could call it ruthless, but I think it's just a output of his analyses and psychological endurance.

I can't be 100% sure, but it's how I see it.

 

[dark+matters]

The ISTPs in my life have been mega-ultra-trolls! LOL The xNTPs in my life have been too, but not at all with the precision, consistency, and almost... innocence of the ISTP. ISTPs are ridiculously rational, level-headed and into figuring things out as well.

The INTJ in my life was definitely not at all trollish. That Ni could spot trolling a mile a way. He could (and would) squish trolling like a cockroach beneath his feet. LOL! The INFJs I've been close to (Ni leading as well) were also very good at noticing the possible hidden meanings of things, and developed strong opinions about the morality of such things.

Also, this:

I also tend to test people and wouldn't mind utterly insulting someone just to observe their reaction, you learn the most about someone by observing how they control anger and how they react

This is... the crowning glory (and frequent downfall...) of the main ISTP in my life. LOL I have only met one definite INTP, and he looooved to troll people, but he was really funny and silly about it. It was not this pounding, unrelenting, unstoppable, frequently anger-provoking impulse to troll people and find out their secrets that my poor ISTP friend had. LOL! The above quote sounds exactly like something she would say/do.

However, my INTJ would probably say something more along the lines of, "The ends do not justify the means." Or "There is no logical correlation between just anger and anger at a fool's injust actions." or something! You are the best one to know what your type is, but I don't see any reason to rule out ISTP yet.

 

[Nihilmatic]

I'm just gonna go with my gut feeling and say INTP. You were into soccer for the strategy and for the run. Your Fe hasn't developed since you haven't been exposed and forced to situations that allow it for growth.

I asked the question about improving your LoL skills because INTPs tend to watch replays tons to understand the game. They have this intuitive grasp on timings and understand the metagame in a fluid manner. The difference between a great player and a medicore player is that a great player anaylses the entire game in its totality. It looks at the game through the other person's perspective, in addition to their own. It can feel the psychological state of the other player just by interacting with him in the game. And that's what strategy games are at the highest level, psychological warfare/endurance. All that knowing what the items do, what things cost, what the speed is and how much time it takes to make them, terrain elements, and so on and so forth, that's just homework.

INTPs tend to have the greatest potential gaming if they disconnect their emotion from the game and approach it in a 'meta' way. INTJ gamers tend to be stubborn in their own styles and aren't willing to change, from what I've seen with all the INTJ gamers (2~3) I've played with. They use a linear approach to gaming. I think there's this master chess player (Magnus Carlsen) who's considered an INTP- he used to play aggressive but now he's learned to master all the styles in order to play. He has a understanding of the game in its totality as WELL as all the psychological states and styles. You could call it ruthless, but I think it's just a output of his analyses and psychological endurance.

I can't be 100% sure, but it's how I see it.

Carlson is INTJ no doubt. I saw many many games of chess players and only ones that firmly style (tal Fischer Carlson) all who are INTJS. I wasn't the one who talked about soccer though. But indefinitly see where you're coming from. In league I completely refuse to any champion that's not an assassin because I get bored. Even Starcraft I only played Terran etc. but couldn't what you said about INTPs also be applied to INTJS as well because they could their Ni to know what to do after analysis. Whenever I try something new I observe someone good for awhile fk up the first time then complete change the second time I do it as if I did it a thousand times before.

 

[Idunno]

If you are nihilmatic on league I've seen you before, on a stream or through client spectate. I'm a heavy league player as well. welcome!

Edit:



I can relate to a lot of what you have to say about mindless Americans to the observing. Anyways

after reading this thread I think ur an intj, I always thought I was INTP because I was lazy, but I've come to believe I'm a lazy intj. Here are some questions that can differ between the two, or so I think.

Do you need to have things your way that you become stubborn if it's not that way and find it hard to think of any other opportunity because, say you have it much thought already and you think you are not wrong, or are you always open to new ideas where as time progresses you continually sharpen your idea. Intj vs intp, intj have single vision but will accept new ideas IF it sound rational, intps are always open to new ideas as this simply sharpens their single idea. Intj have emotion in their voice ( usually anger or a condescending demeanor) bc of Fi. Intps have a monotone voice used to clearly express an idea

In a heated argument, when u get angry, do u get angry at the other person or find that the other person is so dumb you get mad at yourself Fe vs Fi.

On league, do you play the enemy or do u play yourself. Do you have like a set of rules that you follow or do u wait for the enemy to make a mistake.

If u watch your enemy make a mistake to make a move, ni-Te. If you follow your own principle of logic ti Ne. An example of my Ni Te is when I play ad carry and I lose sight of my own champ because I'm so focused on the enemy i process inside execute outside Ni Te. While an INTP will know the role so well it'll follow the patterns it needs to the same way to reach the goal because it understands himself so much because they have tried and understood ever single other way and it's not as good as this single way ti Ne

 

[Spirit]

You are in denial. You don't write like a Te user. So, that also rules intj out.

Nothing in your post screams intp like many of the "confirmed" intp's on this forum. Most of the stuff you describe sounds like introverted thinking But the way you describe things and situations sound like an extroverted sensor user.

I get it you want to be an Ne user, but you will feel much better if you embrace the obvious use of Se.

 

[onesteptwostep]

Eh, MBT typologies aren't really static, so don't be frustrated or anything if you can't pinpoint a type. The question is, what is your typology at your most relaxed.

You could turn into a INTJ when you're playing an RTS because you haven't grasped the meta yet, or not able to have enough information to judge the situation accurately. The situation forces you to do whatever it takes within the knowledge which you have to turn the game around- though it isn't a totalistic understanding of the game- and that's an INTJ trait. You could dip into being a ISTP when you're playing sports because your Se is forced to become more acute. I think with that in mind the middle ground is an INTP. It could be wrong though. The question to ask is, what describes you the most when you are in your most comfortable.

 

[Relic]

Wow this comment was extremely insightful, thank you. But I have a question, let's say an INTJ and INTP are given a step by step manual on.... building a wormhole (why not). What would occur both inside their heads and outwardly on how to approach the creation of a wormhole? Generally/stereo-typically speaking. I know you said that INTJ may go step by step while INTP skips around, but what about in this scenario (be creative if you want). It will help me (idk why but it just will...)

And additional information about myself, when I get aggravated by someone with a stick up their ass, ignorant, egotistical, narcissistic, etc, I tend to fk with them without them noticing, or become EXTREMELY sarcastic, even if they don't know me, and their authoritarian rank (if it exists) doesn't bother me.

Alright so here is the thing try not to necessarily think of it in terms of manuals because being NT anything will give us both the natural tendency to just say "Screw manuals I can do it better" (unless of course the manual provides relevant information) but during innovation INTJ and INTP do things VERY differently.
In order to understand how both personalities work you can't just look at the first function or the second, but you must look at both of them together. What I mean by this is an INTJ has the primary function Ni this is something that is incredibly hard to explain. It is a directive function which means they are going to have a plan and force it through to make it a reality. They come up with a detailed plan in their head and push it into reality with their Te (the way that they do things logically step by step in a systematic fashion). They come up with an idea in their mind (your wormhole for example) and they say "I want to make this possible" and they begin going through the process in a logical stepwise fashion to make their idea a reality. Their mindset is "If their isn't a way to do this, I'm going to make one and do whatever it takes to make my idea a reality." They do things like I said in a step wise fashion, they don't care about any information that does not pertain to the step they are currently on in the process and DEFINITELY don't care about any information that doesn't pertain to their plan or vision in their mind. You could think of their plans as links in a chain. They connect one loop at a time using the best material to complete each link. In their mind, "Why does loop 5 even matter when I haven't completed connecting loop 3? If I can't connect loop 3 then loop 5 is impossible to connect." They keep going through a process until their is literally no way that it can be completed. And they will continue the process until the step prohibits them from completing the process (ex: the laws of physics denies then completion)
INTP's are very different in that they see possibilities. Instead of having a vision and making it a reality they see every possible option. They see things in 360° and they see every option that is possible. When they take in information it must first pass through their Ti filter before it is considered "valid" they hear information process it and decide if it is valid based on logic. Since they see things in 360° (unlike the INTJ who sees only what is in front of them) their plans are like a giant puzzle or clockwork. Everything works perfectly together in a harmonious fashion. They will build a framework in their mind of how something should work and put together the pieces one at a time. Once the puzzle is complete and all the pieces fit together they implement their idea. They will have every single step figured out before it even occurs in the process.
Also the INTP is a perfectionistic thinker. What I mean by this is their lives may be hectic and disorganized, but their ideas their thoughts and plans are perfected and they will settle for nothing less than that in their mind. They don't just want the next step in the process to make something work. They want the absolute perfect and flawless step in a process because that step makes the puzzle or clockwork of the idea perfect. An INTJ is different in that the next step will work as long as it does what it needs to do and meets their standards.
My final example is how me and my brother will solve math problems we don't know the process to differently. He will attack the problem forward He will go "First I need to get the variable alone so how do I go about this?" And go from their. I will look at the problem and go "How is everything in the math problem related and from what angle do I need to come from to solve it?" Once I figure out how something works I can manipulate the process at the correct leverage point to make it do what I need it to. He will just find a way to get through the current obstacle not even thinking twice about how every step works together.

Sorry for the long post, I did my best to explain it. Sorry if it doesn't make sense because that was the best I could do lol

 

[Spirit]

Eh, MBT typologies aren't really static, so don't be frustrated or anything if you can't pinpoint a type. The question is, what is your typology at your most relaxed.

You could turn into a INTJ when you're playing an RTS because you haven't grasped the meta yet, or not able to have enough information to judge the situation accurately. The situation forces you to do whatever it takes within the knowledge which you have to turn the game around- though it isn't a totalistic understanding of the game- and that's an INTJ trait. You could dip into being a ISTP when you're playing sports because your Se is forced to become more acute. I think with that in mind the middle ground is an INTP. It could be wrong though. The question to ask is, what describes you the most when you are in your most comfortable.

No you can't dip into being an Istp Se while playing sports. The best way I can describe an istp experience is participant observation. I am playing a game and I may not know the game. So to better understand the game I have to be in the game while making mental notes. The activity allows me to understand how to break it down.

Activity makes understanding the idea or object clearly. Think about your problem solving tendencies will help you understand your Se usage.

 

[Nihilmatic]

If you are nihilmatic on league I've seen you before, on a stream or through client spectate. I'm a heavy league player as well. welcome!

Edit:



I can relate to a lot of what you have to say about mindless Americans to the observing. Anyways

after reading this thread I think ur an intj, I always thought I was INTP because I was lazy, but I've come to believe I'm a lazy intj. Here are some questions that can differ between the two, or so I think.

Do you need to have things your way that you become stubborn if it's not that way and find it hard to think of any other opportunity because, say you have it much thought already and you think you are not wrong, or are you always open to new ideas where as time progresses you continually sharpen your idea. Intj vs intp, intj have single vision but will accept new ideas IF it sound rational, intps are always open to new ideas as this simply sharpens their single idea. Intj have emotion in their voice ( usually anger or a condescending demeanor) bc of Fi. Intps have a monotone voice used to clearly express an idea

In a heated argument, when u get angry, do u get angry at the other person or find that the other person is so dumb you get mad at yourself Fe vs Fi.

On league, do you play the enemy or do u play yourself. Do you have like a set of rules that you follow or do u wait for the enemy to make a mistake.

If u watch your enemy make a mistake to make a move, ni-Te. If you follow your own principle of logic ti Ne. An example of my Ni Te is when I play ad carry and I lose sight of my own champ because I'm so focused on the enemy i process inside execute outside Ni Te. While an INTP will know the role so well it'll follow the patterns it needs to the same way to reach the goal because it understands himself so much because they have tried and understood ever single other way and it's not as good as this single way ti Ne

Yea definitely INTJ. My ADD makes me appear as an INTP. I always wait for the right moment and everything I do is based of perfectly set up timings depending on the persons mistake. Definitely Fi user.

 

[Sinny91]

I have a preference for Perceiving over Judging, however, my judging ratio was still quite high.
I'm not all that confused about it. I know I'm not an INTJ because my mind is far to messy and cluttered, and when I'm embedded in where ever my mind takes me, I'm most certainly an INTP through and through. However being an INTP has its draw backs, am I'm sure your all aware. In being aware of these draw backs, I make an effort to be more J.

After spending a week or two locked in the abyss of my mind, the only way I can pull myself back out is by injecting the J and odering everything there is to order. Tidy space tidy mind etc.

Also, if I get stuck being unable to make a decision, I revert to J tendancies, just pick and decision based on rationale and go with it, begrudgingly.

I find it vey difficult to deal with people who interupt my private trains of thought, especially when my body language clearly states 'leave me the f alone'. But the P in me tries to make me grit my teeth and bear it, even though my inner thoughts may be reacting more harshly.

 

[8151147]

I'm pretty sure although not good as INFJs, INTJs are very good at self-aware to recognized their type, no need other's support. Many INTPs mistyped them as INTJs as far as I know though.

 

[ENTP lurker]

What do you think about Machiavellian (common trait in SFPs and NTJs) behaviour? Not saying it is bad objectively but I personally think it is.
INTJs would love to be able do the social networking like ESFPs with long term goals.
INTPs are more likely to shun such procedures as unethical/tasteless and impossible and let just everything flow through friendly interaction with no strings attached.

INTPs like emotional people way more than INTJs. They actually like them but feelingsy people are harder for them.