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Intuition Seems to Temper the Harsher Characteristics of Judging Functions

TriflinThomas

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I've noticed that my Intuitive friends are consistently nicer/less harsh when contrasted with my Sensor friends. This is especially apparent when I look at the differences between: ENTP/ESTP, ENFJ/ESFJ, INFJ/ISFJ. I've been wondering, what qualities of intuition tend to soften characteristics of judging functions? When I look at these types (ENTP/ESTP, ENFJ/ESFJ, INFJ/ISFJ), it seems to me that Sensors use their perceiving functions less than Intuitives. For example, I see a lot more Ti in ESTPs than I see in ENTPs
 

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Well. The real world is real harsh. So it makes sense to me that they who live in it becomes harsher, then the princess in the tower with a glass roof towards the stars.
 

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isn't it that you think of your nicer friends as more "intuitive", because they are mentally more evolved, and you think of your less evolved friends as "sensors"?

retards -> soldiers, hells angels -> conservative christians, suppressing parents -> free rationals, corporate swines -> cultural kreatives, disoriented californicated coke noses.

more evolved people can take more perspectives into consideration, which is almost a requirement for appearing nice (if you want to).

in retarded mbti-flatland intuition has long been a synonym for unrealized mental potential (over exitability) or realized mental potential (intellectual and reflexive capacity), which is bullshit, because sensors can and do evolve through all the same stages, it just looks slightly different.

mbti-flatland tends to draw the S/N boundary right around: free rationals/corporate swines.

but only 30% of individuals of any type won't stop evolving at the first chance they get in their circumstances. evolving past your local atmosphere is not rewarded. most places in society are low altitude. those who do evolve further than to the good christian/corporate swine boundary are most likely to go into the internet, into networking with like minded.

in mbti land, this is misinterpreted as "intuitives" being a minority of society, but a majority on message boards.


also, i feel that those entp individuals, who happen to be assholes, are much worse assholes than estp individuals, who happen to be assholes of equal intelligence, because entp have to get under your skin with their unfounded speculations about what's wrong with you and their even worse ideas on how you ought to fix it - when you reject those ideas, they consider this a prove of how fundamentally wrong you are in the depths of your soul.

estp are more like: i don't get anything out of you, so i just don't talk to you. perhaps they give me a bad name or tell me to man up and do something concrete, but they don't try to fuck my character inside out.

intelligent estp have a strong pluralistic attitude of "every one should be left alone and be allowed to be themselves, like cats". they are quite sunny tempered. in entp individuals this is often overruled by "i need to provoke odd reactions in you, to find out how you function inside, so i just throw the first speculative accusation at you, that comes to my mind". intuitives want to make something invisible visible.

of course i am looking at this from a sensitive perspective. looking at it from a material perspective might yield a different impression. perhaps estp (with bad character) are more likely to 'cross' you in action. that doesn't matter on the internet.... (i have little real life experience anyway)

the difference between Ni and Si dominant people is, that Si often demands you to be responsible for your physical course and judges you, when you are not, while your own experience may be, that you have no choice at all. that can seem very judgemental. they can be hating on bums, who would rather have inner peace.

on the other hand, Ni dominant people demand you to be responsible for how you are holding your karma, while you may be unaware of having such a thing. that can sometimes be equally unfair. i judge a successful corporate swine as harshly, as a sensor judges a bum, while i consider the bum to be innocent. i am just talking about superficial prejudices, first impressions that come to mind.

adaption to hard reality plays a role for both types.

if the material world wouldn't be so tough, sensors wouldn't be so judgemental about people who appear to put in little effort to master it, through their favored methodologies. sensors fear that the physical world (infrastructure, nature, health) goes downs the drain.

if the character of how things are moved by the human condition, as recognized though intuition, wouldn't be so insane, than intuitives wouldn't be so judgemental about people who put in little effort into understanding what goes on, or improving their inner methods of reflection on process and response to it. intuitive fear that the human condition goes to hell.

people in fear panic and become assholes about it.
 

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Well. The real world is real harsh. So it makes sense to me that they who live in it become harsher.
I never looked at it like that, that makes sense.

intelligent estp have a strong pluralistic attitude of "every one should be left alone and be allowed to be themselves, like cats". they are quite sunny tempered. in entp individuals this is often overruled by "i need to provoke odd reactions in you, to find out how you function inside, so i just throw the first speculative accusation at you, that comes to my mind". intuitives want to makes something invisible visible.

True, but that's a small percentage of the estps I've met (mostly older ones).
 

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Ne vs Ni, Ne see's more possible answers then 1. Whereas Ni is more harsh because it thinks it is right and all others are not.

Then you also have N vs S in general, or bettersaid: Numb vs Stumper
Intuitives will be more harmonious and laid back and Sensors will be more passive aggressive
 

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I wonder how Intuitives seem to Sensors: "Stupid, unevolved, harsh Sensors".
 

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Er, thinking through this, both Se and Te are typically more tethered to reality than the intuitive functions. The tendency with Se is to take appearances for everything and the tendency for Te is to rely too heavily on empiricism. Both of these predilections could have harsh manifestations.
 

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isn't it that you think of your nicer friends as more "intuitive", because they are mentally more evolved, and you think of your less evolved friends as "sensors"?

retards -> soldiers, hells angels -> conservative christians, suppressing parents -> free rationals, corporate swines -> cultural kreatives, disoriented californicated coke noses.

more evolved people can take more perspectives into consideration, which is almost a requirement for appearing nice (if you want to).

in retarded mbti-flatland intuition has long been a synonym for unrealized mental potential (over exitability) or realized mental potential (intellectual and reflexive capacity), which is bullshit, because sensors can and do evolve through all the same stages, it just looks slightly different.

I agree, I think in general that Pe functions (S and N) contribute to softening up and/or adding flex and resiliency to Ji functions, which if left untempered could result in unyielding and thus more brittle approaches to life. We shouldn't be attributing the positives to N per se.
 

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I proudly don't.
Perhaps I wasn't clear.

If everyone agreed that they found Intuitives consistently nicer/less harsh than Sensors, then that might be true. But the creative fields are full of Intuitives, and it's well-known that they are a bunch of prima donnas.

An alternative, is that Introverted Intuitives who say this, are being introverted, looking at things solely from their perspective, that of the Intuitive viewpoint. They aren't Sensors. Being introverts, it is likely that they don't understand the way Sensors behave all that well. It is common, that when people encounter things that behave in ways they don't understand, they tend to fear them, and imagine they are dangerous, and imagine them to be harsh.
 

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@scorpiomover

I sense your ingeniousness, but I ask for some clarification to make sure I got you right.
looking at things solely from their perspective. Do you mean from their own perspective, or from the person they are observing? -What is, the intuitive viewpoint?
With Introverted Intuitives, You are referring to Ni or INXX?
 

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Te function = harshness, since it reserves only the stepwise plan of Te and everything else is blocked

Te function is like an ice breaker ship just continuing the plan as set in advance, no matter what ice is on the path, it cuts right through or will keep on pushing straight ahead even when inevitably blocked by an unmovable/unbreakable wall of ice, it is without any left or right side stepping function.


1st function Te's are most harsh, it comes out all the time
2nd function Te's are less harsh, it only comes out when its helpful to them or when they really have to

BTW: Ti is also a bit harsh in another way: in not easily allowing the logic of others to get through (not harsh in their act as Te is)
 

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I sense your ingeniousness, but I ask for some clarification to make sure I got you right.
looking at things solely from their perspective. Do you mean from their own perspective, or from the person they are observing?
Introverts tend to look at things from their perspective. Say, an ISTJ don't like Sci-Fi films, and you say you hated the last Star Trek movie. They'll probably say "Yah. I hate Sci-Fi too."

They don't question why you hated it. Maybe you like Sci-Fi, but you hated the direction, or the story, or the acting, or the dialogue. They'll just assume that you hated it, for the same reasons they did.

-What is, the intuitive viewpoint?
The difference between Intuitives and Sensors is absolutely humungous, but not in an obvious way. Most situations require previously learned skills and knowledge, applied to the present by making alterations from what was done in the past. So most situations require both Sensation and Intuition. But you can't have both consciously, or unconsciously. In Jung's theory, one has to be conscious and the other unconscious.

Sensors are usually comfortable in situations which have been framed by others, so that what has been known for some time, is explicit, and the alterations are carried out implicitly, as part of their hidden unconscious. Intuitives are usually comfortable in situations which have been framed by others, so that what has been known for some time, is implicitly assumed,, as part of their hidden unconscious, and the alterations are explicitly debated.

Both are usually uncomfortable in the other's comfort zone. But, it is the way the situation has been framed, described, talked about, that makes it difficult for the Sensor or the Intuitive to take it in and feel comfortable with it. So the way an Intuitive talks about a situation, makes a Sensor very uncomfortable, because the Intuitive is discussing the very things in the unconscious that the Sensor's mind is designed to suppress, to avoid the major mental disorders that Jung writes are likely to come about, when one tries to make one's unconscious functions too conscious. The same happens when an Intuitive hears a Sensor talking about the familiar facts of a situation. His subconscious stops him from making the unconscious conscious, by making his mind glaze over the Sensory details for the most part, and ignore them with the argument that they are trivial.

With Introverted Intuitives, You are referring to Ni or INXX?
INxx.
 
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