Introductory Post, INTP/ENTP AND INFP/ENFP

[Kita]

...I am all four, depending on the test, and where I am when I take it. Some more in depth percentages reveal that Fi and Ti are basically interchangeable, Ne pops up very strong depending on the test.

Sensing is always my weakest point. I am too caught up in lala land to notice a goddammed thing, or, to be more accurate, I notice but simply don't care if it isn't relevant to where I am at the moment. One of my hidden superpowers is to notice very small details. But my memory is awful due to the constant flow of new information I am constantly cramming in there, and I have trouble focusing and bringing myself down to earth long enough to take note. It causes me to be very slow in adding new information obtained from sensing, and I prefer to never act blindly. I always research and learn as much as I can before going into something so I can act quickly.

If something is outside of current information, I really have trouble finding solutions in unfamiliar settings. I have enjoyed experimenting with this part of myself in my art, using found junk to create sculptures. I use a mix of previous knowledge to identify objects, and my aesthetic to drive me towards the unknown objects. I combine the known with the unknown, usually redefining the unknown object and imagining what it could be in the piece. Sometimes I will research the object if it is truly complex and puzzling, but for the most part, I like to play with my own brain by creating my own answers and solutions. My brain, I have found, gets just as much pleasure from such activities as it does from connecting facts and information. When I can connect the known to the unknown in an aesthetic way, my brain thinks it logical, and the results are quite creative and pleasing.

It surprises people when I can pull my head out of the information cloud long enough to notice something tiny in the real world. The reality is, my brain makes a mental reference point image of the familiar so I don't have to spend time processing it each time to look at it, and therefore, when something is out of place from the known conditions of the reference point, I almost always notice it, update my current internal reference point image, and move on, keeping it cataloged until needed in the future. I am freakishly good at inventory management, but need a decent amount of time to learn where everything is. Once I do, I am like a computer in my accuracy.

I never get any results with Judging, though I find myself still relating to Ni quite a bit. I never presume to know anything, I am only a meaty observer. I am humbled on a constant basis, and avoid all judging consciously. It makes me horribly indecisive, to a point where it cripples me developmentally.


A very simple "Big 5" test I found linked off this forum shows:

Extroversion 46%
Orderliness 48%
Emotional Stability 58%
Accommodation 56%
Inquisitiveness 82%

Like most of my responses on that test, I am in the middle of the road on this one. I am not sure I am that stable, though I exude calmness, I am quite internally tumultuous. I am very ordered and organized, but also get messy as my mind wanders from maintenance and cleanliness of space. Yes, it is possible. I feel I must be quite evenly proportioned with extroversion/ introversion, but not because I am only a little of one over the other. I am both, depending on the context,and always default to introversion as my safe place to hide. I am accommodating to others when it won't hurt me. I don't mind minor inconveniences, and will do things willingly when expecting reciprocity Certainly, at times, I do things altruistically because I am empathic to others. But I don't seek out or live my life for such persuits. In my deepest desires, I wish I had excess to share with others, but I always need to take care of myself first. If I have excess, I like to share but currently am scraping to get by. If I were to become wealthy, I would prefer to first buy for myself and take care of my own needs, then give the rest away. I could never live like a dragon in a golden palace, sitting on my own money. That goes against my core. A house of my own, equipped to be self sufficient so I no longer need to rely so heavily on liquid and cash assets, and a small source of income for needs that require money. In my inner, deepest self, I want to live away from others, in peace, and only have to interact with humans when I want to.



I realize I am on a personality forum, so I took some time to do enough legwork to get the previously mentioned information. All I knew coming in was that I always tested either INTP/ INFP, and occasionally, it would swap to ENTP/ ENFP. For me, it is all context. My entire personality and explanation for this is situational context. My answer to 80% of the questions on all the quizzes is basically "well, it depends...". I live in the grey area, there is no black and white in my world.

The easiest one to explain is the introverted vs. extroverted swap. When it comes to new social situations, I am a wallflower. I am quiet, observing, thinking, analyzing, watching people. When I am comfortable, amongst friends and those I perceive as peers, I am very outgoing and talkative. It is a highly calculated switch on my part, as I know myself enough to take time to observe a room before I speak. It is stressful, I am overly analytical, and I don't take rejection well due to the extreme amount effort I would have put into the situation before reaching that point of rejection. I usually have to make some kind of emotional investment, and my emotional side is very fragile. Therefore, by default, I hide the fragile emotional side by avoiding social interactions. If I know the people, and have faced 'safe' interactions, I will continue to interact. But I can be fragile in this regard, and unplug and suddenly back out like an introvert. When I am comfortable, you would never know about this part of me.

And here is where my dual nature comes in. I feel like I am multiple people sometimes, reflected in the multiple nature of the testing. I must have very strong Id/ Ego/ Super Ego manifestations here, but I am not sure. I never studied psychology too in depth beyond existentially pondering the nature of all things, including humans, as I think must be very strongly indicated by my personality. I suppose if I could eliminate one personality type as being least like me, I would eliminate ENFP, since I am not that outwardly caring. That part of me is a learned social adaptation skill, because my family are highly social creatures and insisted I be one too. The remaining personalities I suppose could then be assigned to Id/ Ego/ and Super Ego in whatever order one thinks they fits. With my cursory understanding, without researching deeply into Id/ Ego/ Super ego, I think I would classify as Id/ INFP, Ego/ INTP, Super Ego/ ENTP. And, of course, if you continue to think of this from the typical iceberg analogy, my iceberg is not a piece of ice that stretches to the bottom. It is floating and bobbing along, showing different sides as the waves toss it about.

I feel that I am always showing people a different side of me, which I think is my INFP quietly working in the background. I rarely show INFP (but am full-blown in it when I break down and crack wide open, or when otherwise deeply emotionally moved and feel compelled to share that side of myself), but will show ENFP if the situation (usually social) calls for it. I show INTP probably as a default in new settings, but ENTP to those who know me. During my teenage and early young adulthood, when I had no control of my emotions, I think all this was flipped. I was a constant emotional mess, even though deep down I was a carefully thought out and intelligent person. A lot of work on my part, I believe, has helped slow the random flipping of my proverbial iceberg and has gained me a bit of control over it. The waves still fuck me up though, since I am so ungrounded and always moving. Can't ever seem to fight those damn things while floating so highly through the waters of life...

Quite the complexity, and I doubt even my own ridiculous internet diagnoses. It makes my brain happy to think I have found at least a smidgen of order and understanding, however.



So, with that initial mass of verbiage out of the way, let me get down to an even larger one. What am I doing here?

Funny story that really comes quite roundabout...

My eternal curiosity makes me very unsettled. I am always researching, every day, following tangents on both pure information and personal development. I have been stuck in a rut for a very long time. The furthest I have come is in merely understanding the nature of my rut. Every small detail about the wheel that is stuck. The type of cart and the type of wheel. The exact geographical location of where I am stuck. The composition of the mud I am stuck in. The nature of the molecules themselves that compose the various elements that make up mud (yes, tangents). The history of carts and why they get stuck in ruts. Famous wheels stuck through history. Success stories of those who have gotten their wagon out of the proverbial rut. You get the idea. Yet, here I am, still in it despite my vast knowledge of how badly I am in it.

I have been following a tangent that began on Lifehacker about 6 months ago. It involved finding work to make you happy. I have struggled with this intensely, working dead end jobs my whole life despite having my (liberal arts) bachelor's degree. After months of poking at the tabs and following links, I came across something...

Multipotentiality.

I started on a website called puttylike.com If you would like to know more about it, I would highly recommend reading through there. It is the only real source of information I have found. Googling around only found websites about child development, and most of it was the same information copied from each other. And none of it was helpful, just clinical and related to educational issues. That ship has long, long past sailed away without me.

So, as that pesky Extroverted side of me insisted, if Google doesn't know, I need to pick the brains of actual humans on the issue. I searched for a forum, and lo and behold, in the top 5 results was a thread on this forum. I instantly recognized the INTP as being a personality type I already knew I exhibited, and began to read around.

I have been quite pleased to find a very active forum and community here, so I decided to post my story here. I have been sending out feelers in a few forums, trying to get advice from audiences related to my varied interests. As it stands, my interrests include (and are not excluded to); All visual art forms (sculpture, painting, fine art, film, theatre, media, textiles, crafts, etc. I majored in Fine Art.), Technology (hardware, general knowledge, technology advancement and development, software, graphic design, building computers, Electrical engineering and circuit building. If it is powered by tech, I want to know what it does and how it works), Nature and animals (mountain biking, hiking, all things animals, nature, gardening, and biology. If it is alive, I want to know what makes it tick), Video Games (anything about them, playing them, development, art, story), Philosophical pursuits and existential meanderings (see: this post), sciences (astro-anything, physics and chemistry even though I am weak in them, molecular, theoretical anything is amongst my favorites), Cooking (my current occupation, I am self taught), Nutrition and alternate diets (mostly vegan and vegetarian research, I am a flexitarian, I believe it is called), Reading and Writing (amongst my longest standing interests, I am working on 4 TV shows at the moment. One of them may be a comic instead, still unsure), and anything that adds to general knowledge and makes me think. Oh, and girl powers. I have lots of those. I find good sales and really have decent fashion sense even though I couldn't give two shits about the name of the brand or designer. I have a very good aesthetic. Under good conditions, I blend in with the normies (but, like I said before, I crack when heavily emotionally stressed, especially in social situations). I am a people watcher and find humans highly fascinating, but many times never feel like one of them. I remain humble and relate-able because my practical side knows I am just a meat suit of electrical impulses like the rest of them, and my ego needs to stfu. I am very good with working and communicating with most people (no tolerance for drama, my brain gets overwhelmed trying to interpret and quadruple guess that kind of hot mess). My next tangent I am about to dig into is sociology. I want to learn more about the silly humans and the things they do so I can attempt even better communication and understanding of them. I also need to learn to deal with drama better, and I think understanding why silly humans do such silly things will help me to deal with it myself and help others cope with it (my NFP coming through here...)

I like things. All the things. I like them all. I must know them.


As you can see, I have a predisposition to bulldogging through interests, intensely studying them and participating in them. This is in addition to having a personality that hungers for knowledge and understanding, not only of the physical world, but to understand humans and why they do what they do. It causes me to live a life in mostly seclusion, happily bloating myself with lots and lots of information, most of which I forget because I am bloating myself way beyond my capacity. Then, going back over it later when it piques my interest again. Boxes and boxes of projects and hobbies, unfinished, that I circle back to when my brain tells me.

All the things. I want to be them. I want to do them. I want to know them. But I can't hold them all, my life is a jumbled mess of these threads. I am afraid to cut any of them, because I don't know which is important. I can't untangle them either, because more are added to the pile as soon as I untangle one. I have this ability to connect all the things I know, my inventory management I spoke of earlier. It works with my knowledge and skills as well. But I cannot find any kind of practical pursuit that implements this ability to use ALL THE THINGS. I am told I am fun to talk to because I can talk to almost anyone due to having at least a cursory understanding of so much... at least enough to start and follow a conversation. Usually not enough to get a job. I specialize in nothing. Wait, I take that back. I specialize in being a generalist, in being non-specialized in nearly everything. I hunger for knowledge and development in all the things.


Without being an independently disgusting wealthy pompus ass who needs to excuse their existance with smart sounding titles, how can I *actually* find a job as a part of a super creative think tank that literally works on all the things? A group that thinks and does and works with everything and lots of people? A place to be absorbed in ideas and knowledge, without expectations I need to be a world class coder/ world class anything (I am looking at you, Google). I am not world class, but I am a very well seasoned and well traveled globetrotter (not the basketball type, I suck at most sports). I would thrive in a place where I could do everything, learn everything, and communicate and work with people like me. Is there a place for me somewhere? Where?

And don't tell me to choose one... that is plan B! I HATE PLAN B. I am a careful planner and calculator, last resort is LAST RESORT... and is what I am resorting to right now to (not even) scrape by. The debt is slowly building, both financially and mentally. I have to pay the piper, so to speak, very soon. I have let this build for too long, and the weight of my mansion of knowledge and interests is about to shatter the emotional and financial twigs I have used as a foundation to allow me to build what I am logistically really unable to. I have neglected practical needs to a point of extreme anemia, to allow me time to selfishly build my own mental treasure heap. I can keep the status quo, but the more I develop my knowledge and interests, the worse the itch gets to end this ridiculous charade of menial day jobs. And it will all come down, leaving me with my practical needs no longer even fulfilled because the weight of my mental needs became too great.

I am deeply concerned for myself, and need some advice from some intelligent and (hopefully) like minded humans.

Oh, I have a blog if anyone can stand another second of my blathering.
http://headescape.blogspot.com/

 

[TheManBeyond]

too long, you should try to resize it cuz i was going to read it but i got cancer

 

[Cherry Cola]

too long, you should try to resize it cuz i was going to read it but i got cancer

I kept on reading, but alas cancer got the best of me before I was done.

Sorry, don't want to be a dick but even half of it would've been long for an introduction :P

 

[Kita]

I ramble. It is something I do. Makes my brain feel better.

Play make believe and tell me you read it all?

kthx.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Your desire to be and do everything means you are probably extroverted. You also describe the kind of restlessness that is typical of someone with dominant extroverted intuition and inferior introverted sensing.

I don't get why you'd think you are an INTP or INFP. You seem way too energetic and all over the place for it. Rather than bulldogging, perhaps you are a dabbling? In any case ENxP seems more likely.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

I ramble. It is something I do. Makes my brain feel better.

Play make believe and tell me you read it all?

kthx.

I know few examples of situations or people that describe themselves as INTP that would spend their time and energy to produce something this long in the situation like this one, I may be wrong, but producing something like this would probably take some steps.

Were you distracted often while creating this post?

I'd say, Ne dominant, by the amount of jumping and obsessing.

My apologies, I don't have enough time to read through all of it to produce a more complete response.

As this is your intro post,
hey! welcome, it's nice to see someone new.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

Interesting post.
Welcome.
I may add more meat to my reply later,
as i'm a bit too tired at the moment to write more than a few lines.

 

[Kita]

I first took those personality tests a while back, and introverted types were what I always got. Deep down, I do just want to hide in my shell, it is that part of me that I struggle with, wondering if my extroverted nature is learned or who I am, and if my introverted nature is survival or who I am.

I took various tests a few more times, and still got the results presented (actually, I couldn't get ENFP to repeat, I have probably only gotten that once or twice). I don't seek out social interaction, but take it with stride. I have very few friends, even fewer who I consider close. I have always been pegged as an introvert, yet when I am in comfortable company, I open up. When I had previously researched introverts, I fall into all the classic aspects, like still needing social interraction, but feeling drained from it instead of energized. That defines me exactly. I would rather hang with a few people than a party, every time.

But the Multipotentality I think is the part that makes me so confused, and makes me present like I am extroverted, even though I am not. My brain craves everything, but I don't crave human interaction in the same way. I don't need lots of friends, I just need someone to talk to to in order to get all this shit out of my brain, maybe because I hope they will carry it and share it so I don't have to any more. I feel detached from others, and alien. Logically, I know I am biologically the same... but I always feel universes apart. Every time I think I feel I know someone, or connected, the better I get to know them the further I feel from them. And it makes me feel more alien every time. I don't crave sex or intimacy or most other physical contact (and feel uncomfortable being touched by anyone, even friends, in fact), but am always lonely. I don't know how else to explain this, maybe something else will come to me...

 

[crippli]

... that is plan B! I HATE PLAN B. I am a careful planner and calculator, last resort is LAST RESORT... and is what I am resorting to right now to (not even) scrape by.

I suppose, the way I see this, what I am wondering, is, why do you hate plan B? At that point, what is great with plan A?

 

[OrLevitate]

In my few months on this forum... I've never read a personality exposé I've identified more with. I feel confident in being able to give you an accurate type assessment already, but I'm not going to tell you! I don't want to impede your process of self discovery by adding already baked cookies in the oven.

Imho drop the stereotypes for now, the habit of attributing a trait with a four letter type and instead identify what individual cognitive functions the traits correspond with. Find the online typology resources thread on this forum and the psychclassics jung types page.

Not sure about what you want advice about. You seem to want to reconcile your circumstances with how you feel about them. You really don't seem in need of help; you have a decent understanding of yourself, you seem stimulated, you seem capable, etc...

Did you come home after a long days unfulfilling work and surf the web all night for a future then pass out head to the floor after you typed this up? Just curious

 

[Kita]

Plan A involves me doing lots of awesome stuff and making awesome stuff and being happy I could share my knowledge and awesomeness with others. Then, when I am done, I have enough money to have some PEACE AND FUCKING QUIET in my house in the middle of nowhere.

Plan B involves scraping by without accomplishing anything, with my brain screaming at me for keeping everything pent up inside and not actually doing something with my life or ideas. Then, once my head explodes, I never get to retire, I just work menial jobs until I die a miserable death feeling nothing but remorse and sorry for myself, all my awesomeness dying with me.


I like plan A.

Also, I am very hard on myself and expect a lot from myself.

 

[Pyropyro]

Welcome

 

[crippli]

Plan A involves me doing lots of awesome stuff and making awesome stuff and being happy I could share my knowledge and awesomeness with others. Then, when I am done, I have enough money to have some PEACE AND FUCKING QUIET in my house in the middle of nowhere.

Plan B involves scraping by without accomplishing anything, with my brain screaming at me for keeping everything pent up inside and not actually doing something with my life or ideas. Then, once my head explodes, I never get to retire, I just work menial jobs until I die a miserable death feeling nothing but remorse and sorry for myself, all my awesomeness dying with me.


I like plan A.

Also, I am very hard on myself and expect a lot from myself.

Maybe you have blinded your self to what you hold dearest? This reads to me as "black and white", not the gray zone.

To avoid choices, I think one must avoid planning. What you seem to desire is more like flow. Or like in Taoism "doing without doing".

I don't see that there is a restriction on transforming B into A. But what is certain, is that once B is initiated, or even C and D. D is immeasurably better then A. As A have failed. Nothing lasts, So B, or D, are also, only states that will be transformed into other states.

 

[Kita]

In my few months on this forum... I've never read a personality exposé I've identified more with. I feel confident in being able to give you an accurate type assessment already, but I'm not going to tell you! I don't want to impede your process of self discovery by adding already baked cookies in the oven.

Imho drop the stereotypes for now, the habit of attributing a trait with a four letter type and instead identify what individual cognitive functions the traits correspond with. Find the online typology resources thread on this forum and the psychclassics jung types page.

Not sure about what you want advice about. You seem to want to reconcile your circumstances with how you feel about them. You really don't seem in need of help; you have a decent understanding of yourself, you seem stimulated, you seem capable, etc...

Did you come home after a long days unfulfilling work and surf the web all night for a future then pass out head to the floor after you typed this up? Just curious

Awww thanks.

I used the personality types as a springboard for conversation. A way to talk to people that seemed to be like minded. Remember, I mentioned I lurked and read before I posted. I also mentioned how I calculate this stuff to make sure I can lubricate (MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER) my social interactions. It's one of many reasons rejection can be so hard, because I REALLY TRY as much as I can based on the way I think and I am. My personality feels like a pot of spaghetti on the wall, and I imagine to the observer, looks like it too. My brain could use a few less meatballs and more sauce so it will pipe down, me thinks.

Also, I secretly (shh, don't tell these guys!) think all these tests are too old, too general, and completely glaze over the extreme complexities of the brain, which would do things like cause test bias to certain answers and cause mis-classifications, as well as obvious things like certain personalities purposely lying and skewing results without even knowing their brain is doing it. Pesky meatballs... I know this is very well documented and covered in the Psychology community too, I just personally don't care about psychology enough right now to read them. I might one day. Anyways, I see them exactly how I used it; a way to start conversation and find people who might, in a general way, think similarly to me.

Actually, I already ran a quiz on individual qualities last night, I just forgot to type it out. I only ran one test, But it came up with Ne strongest (classified as very strong), followed not too far by Ni (strong), followed by Ti and Fi (close together, I don't recall which was stronger). Errr... at least I think that is correct. I had to dig around to even find that info again, but reading through the types, it sure sounds about right (maybe the order/ percentages were a bit out of whack). I also remember the two weakest by far were the two sensing ones. Makes sense, I have to make a conscious effort to pull my head out of the clouds to address practical matters. Might explain my constant exhaustion, the way I am always fighting my own nature in order to get anything done.

There has been a lot of stuff going on in my head (well, ok, there ALWAYS is...), but they have been weighing a lot heavier on me these last few years. I have worked nothing but menial jobs that don't pay enough to live on. I rely on my best friend as my roommate to even be able to get by, I can't afford to live on my own with what I make. And it kills me inside knowing what I have to do to get out of this relationship. I have to work 12 hour days doing menial work, AGAIN. I 'paid my dues' in college, and burned out really badly. I was a zombie for years. I just started finding my way out of that hole these last few years, and now it looks like i have to crawl back into it to survive. I am deathly, DEATHLY afraid I won't be able to find my way back out again. I have crawled out twice, barely making it out each time. After another failure, I fear I may not have the will to do it again. Or even the ability to even if the will is there. Life will beat me back down. I need another option. I can't maintain this status quo, it is about to hit a breaking point. And I don't see anywhere else to go but down, retreating like I always do. I am afraid I won't come back out this time. See 'Plan B', as I mentioned in a post above. I am looking for advice on what I should do, where I should head, maybe some people with similar personalities have found a unique calling I have not heard of, and it is something worth looking into. I just don't know, I am so lost trying to find a direction to take when there are so many ahead of me. I am afraid to choose the wrong one, ending up in Plan B despite my best efforts. But if I do nothing, I end up there anyways. *sigh*

I have been looking for a future for 15 years, and have been frantic about it since finishing college 5 years ago and finding myself jobless and lost. Lately, the last 3 years or so, I have just been trying to rethink how to go about this hunt, because I have gotten nowhere so far. It has lead me down some odd tangents, to be sure. So I just keep soaking up the knowledge, hoping it will get me somewhere one day, I suppose.

I had been following a tab tangent for months, and came across this forum a couple days ago. Last night, I poked around for a while after work and a shitty evening, deliriously taking tests and reading more about personality types so I could have stuff to post in the morning. I woke up this morning, made coffee, and posted that caffeine inspired mess, trying to remember all I wanted to say. It's pretty typical of me, actually!

 

[Kita]

Maybe you have blinded your self to what you hold dearest? This reads to me as "black and white", not the gray zone.

To avoid choices, I think one must avoid planning. What you seem to desire is more like flow. Or like in Taoism "doing without doing".

I don't see that there is a restriction on transforming B into A. But what is certain, is that once B is initiated, or even C and D. D is immeasurably better then A. As A have failed. Nothing lasts, So B, or D, are also, only states that will be transformed into other states.

Ya, I get black and white when I am being dramatic. I was being silly and serious at the same time. My innermost fears lie in plan B, and my ideal state lies in plan A. i don't *expect* either to come true so black or white, but my inner pessimist (it is quite loud), insists that Plan B could very, very possibly happen. It cannot happen, dammit! This is MY life, I don't want to fall into the same holding pattern for life that everyone else around me seems to inevitably fall into... and they actually LIKE IT. Imagine that, me LIKING a life of scraping and mindless work, spending most of my time miserable but insisting life is good because I get one weekend off a week to play softball and be with some stinky kids. Really?? Not to bag on those who do enjoy that, but it horrifies me to think of that being the most that MY life accounts to! Whoops. my ego is showing. Let me put that away...

Sorry, being dramatic again.

Well, Plan A is still... the plan, but I feel I may lose that option very, very soon since nothing leading to it has come to fruition yet. It is quite ambitious, and my meat suit is ticking away. I only have so many years to get lots of stuff done, and ZERO time management skills... doh. I live up in space, my head a black hole where time ceases to mean anything...

I have big plans, but no steps to them. A flow state is how I hope to move from one to the next. There is a more or less logical way to proceed through them, as one opens opportunities to another. The biggest ones are last, when I hope to have enough money to throw at a business I have no business running, but none the less still want to found and place the right people in charge. Oh, and the cherry pies floating in space also mention world peace, or at least the path towards such, by getting into politics as a geriatric. It's ok, the smarter, less cherry sugar goo filled part of my brain laughs at such ridiculousness.

I only get one life, one chance to do it all... and I kinda don't know why I feel such an obligation and responsibility to do it all either... What do I care happens to these illogical monkeys? They got themselves into these messes, why am I the one who has to fix it?

Shit, my ego is showing again...

BAD EGO. BACK TO YOUR CAGE. DOWN! DOWN!

 

[Kita]

I know few examples of situations or people that describe themselves as INTP that would spend their time and energy to produce something this long in the situation like this one, I may be wrong, but producing something like this would probably take some steps.

Were you distracted often while creating this post?

I'd say, Ne dominant, by the amount of jumping and obsessing.

My apologies, I don't have enough time to read through all of it to produce a more complete response.

As this is your intro post,
hey! welcome, it's nice to see someone new.

Oh yes, I got distracted quite often. Lots of research I had done before I needed to pull up, as well as just general things I look up (am I using the correct form of this idiom? Does this analogy make sense? I spel bad... etc.) I tangented, and still managed to hit the post button. I call it a success, many times I never actually post long rants because I think better of it. That tends to happen more often in places I am more established, oddly. When I am new, I am just like 'Fuck it, they don't know me, what do I have to lose?' People start to expect certain things from me after a while, and so often they are wrong. I always have to consider whether I want to shatter their perceptions of me or just stay quiet. Out of learned social skills, I stay quiet. After making a number of such decisions, I always quietly drift away from that forum.

Yes, from what I can tell, Ne dominant, yet also strong showing of introverted Ni, Fi, and Ti. It seems to come across like dual extroversion/ introversion, all context and situational based. I am a clam or I get excited and don't shut up. I have horrible social anxiety and I can't wait to share stuff. I am lonely and like to be left alone.... for the most part. Sometimes I really need to let it out... then I want to be alone afterwards. It's weird.

 

[OrLevitate]

Why are you the one that has to fix their messes u say?
Unconcious pandering to archetypal savior/protector/peacemaker? Due to excessive idealistic media intake as child? Due to observing with clarity the frequent atrocious acts of mankind? Due to the feeling of fulfillment or perhaps libido that such mess fixing would yield? Due to gratitude for your relative well off life? Due to ingenuine gratitude inculcated through sociocultural memes?

Some random career advice; fulfillment does not come solely from career, passion is just high engagement in an activitty (where time seems to not become a thing/ flies by) and proficiency leads to high engagement. The predominant interests you've had/activities done for the past decades will probably be in your life in some form forever. The end goal for a dream career/life is to reconcile your circumstances with how u feel about them/viceversa. Don't kno til u try. You'll kno when u stop trying to fix ur life.

 

[Kita]

This one:
"Due to observing with clarity the frequent atrocious acts of mankind?"

Also, my mommy told me I am speshul.

I think I have also just always had this feeling like I owe the world something. Privileged middle class white American guilt complex, perhaps?


Oh, and I am fucking sick of reality TV. Someone has to stop such nonsense, even if it is me! As a fan of GOOD TV shows, I want to see a resurgence of well WRITTEN, PRODUCED, and ACTED pieces of art. I want to do all of us a favor, especially myself when my inner fangirl can squee again.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

I saw your blog, you are definitely not an INTP (if you are this active most of the time), I would think of ENFJ, ENTJ, ESFJ, ESTJ and ENTP.

 

[Brontosaurie]

text amount and some other stuff tells me ENFP

"other stuff" = not readily wordable stuff. i think it counts anyway. cheat. demise of civilization.

 

[Cherry Cola]

The wording and playful language made me think ENFP too, while the tendencies towards introversion alongside extroversion made me think ENTP.

But meh MBTI uses binaries and most people are ambiverts so those tendencies towards introversion are probably not relevant at all.

 

[Kita]

I have been unusually talkative, and my blog this month has been the most active it probably ever has. You don't need to read it to see what I am talking about, just scroll to the bottom. The very bottom post on the front page is just a recipe, one I hit 'post' for in April, but looking at, I remember it is actually a few years old. I just never posted it live until that day, when I probably went hunting for it for something, couldn't find it, and wondered why I never put it live. The reason now is forgotten and not as important as it was then to keep it relegated to the back end, so I pressed post that day. It was an accomplishment, I most likely hadn't pressed the post button for much beyond recipes for months before. I feel like I did something for the day when I finish thoughts in a post to a point I feel like I can publish it. It's a surrogate feeling of accomplishment when I am not finishing things I REALLY want to finish, like a single fucking episode of any of my four fucking TV shows, one of which I have been 'working on' for over ten fucking years.


You guys are making me doubt, which I have been through so many times. So, I looked up ENTP again. Once again, I found it true in some areas, and in others, I suppose more idealized versions of how I would *like* to be or, perhaps instead, feel pressured into thinking I should be. No one has EVER described me as a 'go getter'. Everyone who knows me would call me a 'dreamer', and I get a lot of eye rolls when I talk about big things, using big words, and scary bodily functions like logical thought processes. And, once again, social, extroverted activites do NOT energize me... they exhaust me. It is something I find I need at times, because exhaustion so often is the only way to shut my brain up so I can clear it out for a bit or even get some fucking sleep! Stream of consciousness virtual puke-fests from someone who has a lifetime habit of meeting real life attempts at communication with single words or simple sentences is the epitome of introverted frustration manifesting itself.


Then I looked up INTP again. Spot on. The vast majority, spot on. There is nothing about this thread or my activity that indicates I am otherwise. A quote:

"Ironically, owing to their Prospecting (P) trait, INTPs’ word should be taken with a grain of salt – it’s not that they are dishonest, but INTPs tend to share thoughts that are not fully developed, using others as a sounding board for ideas and theories in a debate against themselves rather than as actual conversation partners.

This may make them appear unreliable, but in reality no one is more enthusiastic and capable of spotting a problem, drilling through the endless factors and details that encompass the issue and developing a unique and viable solution than INTPs – just don’t expect punctual progress reports. People who share the INTP personality type aren’t interested in practical, day-to-day activities and maintenance, but when they find an environment where their creative genius and potential can be expressed, there is no limit to the time and energy INTPs will expend in developing an insightful and unbiased solution.


...


When INTPs are particularly excited, the conversation can border on incoherence as they try to explain the daisy-chain of logical conclusions that led to the formation of their latest idea. Oftentimes, INTPs will opt to simply move on from a topic before it’s ever understood what they were trying to say, rather than try to lay things out in plain terms. "




I saw this forum as an opportunity to mentally work things out with like minded individuals, and excitedly worked to find a solution. I used you guys as a sounding board in order to get some thoughts straight out of my jumbled mess of thoughts, as well as get some more like minded and logical opinions on the matter.




The only words I spoke the first half of my day were a few sentences related to work. Everything said to my evening D&D group was on topic, with a lot of personal quiet time, because my mind was still buzzing too much to get intelligent thoughts processed through my language centers. That is because I was, as usual, too busy doing every exact thing in this following paragraph to really notice much else:


"They may appear to drift about in an unending daydream, but INTPs’ thought process is unceasing, and their minds buzz with ideas from the moment they wake up. This constant thinking can have the effect of making them look pensive and detached, as they are often conducting full-fledged debates in their own heads, but really INTPs are quite relaxed and friendly when they are with people they know, or who share their interests."





And, really, when it comes down to it... the whole reason I am here? Ya, this. Exactly this. Oh fuck, this:


"The one thing that really holds INTPs back their restless and pervasive fear of failure. INTPs are so prone to reassessing their own thoughts and theories, worrying that they’ve missed some critical piece of the puzzle, that they can stagnate, lost in an intangible world where their thoughts are never truly applied. Overcoming this self-doubt stands as the greatest challenge INTPs are likely to face, but the intellectual gifts – big and small – bestowed on the world when they do makes it worth the fight."


I have spent days doing that very thing over this topic. I have been known to spend weeks doing it too. Stewing. Going over the information again and again in my head, looking for what I missed. Which is why I am still dogging this issue, instead of dropping it and telling you guys you are right. I don't think you are. I think I am. I have looked over the information. I am still polishing it and working it over in my head to find bits I may have missed. It looks like a pearl, but maybe it is just a stone. All perspective, perhaps.


Sometimes, when I can find no answers, it is comforting to find a place, at the very least. I read through a few threads before I initially posted. I am pretty good about at least giving a cursory glance at stickies to get a feel, and I checked out the ones here. I felt so incredibly reassured reading through them. People were posting things that were JUST LIKE ME. 'Quirks' that NO ONE ever seems to understand. You guys are freaks like me.




As I said before, I tend to scare off introverts and freak out extroverts. Introverts see walls of text or hear me geeking out and think I am a loud scary noise to avoid. Extroverts see me trying to disappear into the wall at a party or work in total silence for hours, ignoring people around me, and think there is something deeply disturbing about me. INTP descriptions are the first place I actually found an explanation that reconciles so many different parts of me. INFP also still really strikes a strong chord with me, and I honestly think is why I feel like I have to actually help the monkeys, as stupid and undeserving as they are at times. I am highly empathetic. I am highly sarcastic and being playful, a combination of INTP and INFP qualities, when I talk about others. I think most are quite irrational and silly, letting some really asinine things control their decisions. But I also empathize with them, because I have not always been rational as well. My INTP side blocks off the more diplomatic parts of my INFP qualities, making it seem to other strong feelers I am cold, and my INFP side makes me even MORE indecisive with a tendency to spin around the toilet bowl again and again due to actually considering feelings in equations, even though the INTP side of me is snickering about it, shaking their head and saying 'silly monkeys'. INFP makes me an idealized altruist (not a practicing one, though I dream of it!) I am a logical moralist, if that is even possible. I like to think it is. I think people who DON'T consider human emotions when making decisions that effect humans are silly too. You have to understand humans and their nature before you can try to make any kind of 'logical' decisions for or about them. You have to understand how illogical they can be, and that they aren't perfect computers or textbook biological forms that can always be explained or defended. It is what makes them so awesome, so infuriating. This INFP quality really is part of my core:


"When deciding how to move forward, they will look to honor, beauty, morality and virtue – they are led by the purity of their intent. INFPs are proud of this quality, and rightly so, but not everyone understands the drive behind these feelings, and it can lead to isolation."


But I also have that indescribable drive for finding the... well, right answer. As close as a monkey brain can get to such an asinine notion, at least. Gather the information, all of it, including illogical emotions, to combine into the most complete picture possible. Shades of grey, no taking sides, everything is contextual. Of course, plenty of places have no business for emotions and feelings. In those cases, I tell people to grow some fucking balls already and quit pussyfooting around the facts to fulfill selfish emotional needs. That is where I lose the feely types.


And, finally, I am in constant fear of the following happening. I can actually see it happening to myself too, because I know myself so well. In fact, it is very close to how I want to end up, in peace and quiet with my thoughts, and hopefully, all feelings of obligation lifted...


"If INFPs are not careful they can lose themselves in their quest for good and neglect the day-to-day upkeep that life demands. INFPs often drift into deep thought, enjoying contemplating the hypothetical and the philosophical more than any other personality type. Left unchecked, the INFP may start to lose touch, ending up in “hermit mode”, and it can take a great deal of energy from their friends or partner to bring them back to the real world."




Besides, half the people on the famous ENTP lists were/ are total fucking douchers. I couldn't be as large of an ass as many of them were. I am not exploitative or cruel like so many of those fuckers. I am NOT 'ingenious and adept at directing relationships between means and ends.' Fuck those assholes that take advantage of their understanding of the monkeys to manipulate like that. I am so far from a manipulator, people think I don't like them or have any friends because I DON'T EVEN TALK TO MY CLOSEST FRIENDS, let alone some random people whose lives I am trying to manipulate for my own agenda. I don't step on people. I step on myself enough to make my feat bleed, why the hell would I have the energy to waste on another bag of meat?


Stream of consciousness feels nice. Makes the brain gremlins shut up for the night, at least.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

If you are INTP then you would be relatively ADHD or manic and overstimulated. You are quite obsessive about yourself too. I can see you choosing the descriptions you like, however as others have mentioned you behave like a typical ENTP ENFP here. They are kind of manic like you but it is normal for them.

I would say that as much as the whole MBTI is not scientific and has little useful information, it doesn't really matter whether you like your description or not to be that type. There is even a tendency to choose types that appear more interesting or clever and choosing intuitive descriptions over sensory types and so the story goes.

You ask others what type you are and you only comment how that certain type description fits you best, while displaying ENXP attitude in your posts overall.

 

[Kita]

I chose 90% of the descriptions on the site I took them from for INTP. Each one struck a very strong chord with me. I admit, I cherry picked INFP descriptions, because a select few struck very strong for me. Key here is struck strongly with me. Very little of ENTP struck strongly with me, and nothing about ENFP did.

Isn't part of the intuitive nature you just know? How can I convince someone who isn't me that I just know something about myself to be true, when as an outside observer, they are only postulating?

So what if I had a little too much caffeine because I was up all night chasing internet dragons in my endless pursuit of knowledge? Huh? HUH?? /endless-stream-of-defensive-overstimulated-buzz-posts

Shit, I do need to pull back from the caffeine again, me thinks. I may be ADHD, who knows. I think it is highly over-diagnosed. It wasn't cool yet when I was a kid anyways, so they didn't come around our school to hand out Ritalin. Manic, certainly not. Not if you know me.

I haven't studied psychology, but I know there are ways to describe someone letting out repressed aspects as a form of self therapy. That is what is happening here. A good scream of sorts. A time to be selfish and air out all the dirty little bits when normally you never take care of yourself. Trust me, this is not normal for me to express any of this. It is just crap that floats in my head I decided a bit over a month ago to begin to regurgitate. You must know how scary your own head is, and have imagined how egotistical and bizarre it must look if manifested? I am experimenting a bit as well. I figure it is good to get the crap out, so I can better focus on the good stuff, and hopefully write something worth reading one day.

I'll get bored and wonder away from forums like I always do soon enough, no worries.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

I know the linked source might be considered somewhat controversial by some...

But, given what Kita has already written and what information is contained in there,
i fail to see more than a minuscule overlap:

http://www.personalitycafe.com/enfp-articles/10708-10-stages-depressed-enfp.html

 

[Cherry Cola]

You can't just know your type by intuition if you don't know MBTI beforehand. I mean you're going by a few descriptions, you're not analyzing functions. I will repeat: most people aren't super extroverted or introverted.

Btw how do you match up with the NJ types? Not to suggest you are one, but it would be interesting to know to get a bigger picture I gess.

 

[TBerg]

most people aren't super extroverted or introverted.

A heavy imbalance would just indicate a paucity of the auxillary function, according to MBTI.

 

[Kita]

Aw, fuck it.

I began to go into another long-winded tirade to explain this, and realized it won't get me anywhere. I tire myself of that shit very quickly anyways.

I explained the individual functions I feel connected to already, and they showed up in more or less proper order on a test. I will mention them again. Ne is the strongest, followed not too far by Ni. Ti and Fi follow not too far behind, and I do not recall which was stronger. They were quite similar. I read through explanations of these and agreed with this analysis for the most part. I feel strongest about the two N functions, but also feel strongly about many parts in the Ti and Fi, though not all parts. This seems to me to indicate that the Ne will always come superficially strongest on first impressions, but digging just a little bit reveals a lot of introverted functions beneath the surface that make everything else run. I have no extreme tendencies towards anything. Degrees. Everything is in flux and contextual in my constantly stewing meatball.

I looked at the NJ functions, and they are way off. INTJ I can certainly relate to on many points, but I am nowhere near as rigid as they sound and I am terrible at chess player mentality... I can never pull my head out of the clouds long enough to actually make and carry out intricate plans. That is a personality I would say there are qualities I have always personally idealized for, and out of all the personalities, perhaps wish I had a bit more tendency towards. Maybe I can work towards it if I can ever find the motivation or give-a-shit to do something about it, which I would have if I were an NJ or extroverted type.

As a whole, really, NJ is not me at all. Not a leader, do not want to be in the limelight. I don't motivate anyone, I blend in. Looking at ENTJ/ INTJ, I know it is a mask I have put on occasionally for social situations when I, 'the person who knows everything', is looked to as a leader by more sheepish people (and I have worn a number of different personality masks in the same context, wearing the one that is expected of me. Once again, the overwhelming feeling of obligation towards people. Hmmm... might be on to something here...). It is not me in actuality in any way, I simply, honestly, have learned a bit of social mimicry out of survival needs in a highly social family. I don't control my own life, let alone anything external. I have delusions of thinking that I always know best, but am so constantly humbled by all I see, I really know better and never allow myself to believe such nonsense. I am acutely aware of how small I know, how little I know. My ego sometimes blows up and tells me I at least know a smidgeon more than the monkeys, which is more of a self esteem booster than anything. If I take even a moment to think about myself contextually, in broader, grand scheme type contexts, I feel so small and so lost, I know so infinitely little and know I can never know any more than the infinite smallness that I exist in, I want to curl up and cry. So, ya, self confidence booster.

When it comes down to it, I am a big talker because I have so many ideas and postulations swimming around I am trying to work out 24/7, but I am by no means a 'doer' or 'actor' on such ideas. I am just trying to work things out, and value the feedback of those I perceive as peers. I don't talk about things with people I don't consider a peer in the area. I actually quietly evaluate people and situations to find what they are a peer in, pull something out of the mess swimming in my brain, and use that as my social lubricant. People think I am now a peer because I know something cursory about this thing they know a lot about. Sometimes, the nugget I pull out is merely a mask that defines how I will act around someone so they are comfortable with me. I don't like rejection, but I don't want them to be my friend. I like people feeling neutral about me, or even liking me, but I don't want to open up personally to them or share anything with them. Contradictory, no? Also, I don't care about sharing stuff on the internet (obviously). I used to. Then I imagined everyone as faceless as me. When I stay faceless, I am fine. I would be mortified beyond words if anyone from real life read what I post online. I don't mix the two at all. I have no real life presence online. Zero social media. No pictures even. I don't want to be found by old classmates or old friends. If I wanted to stay in touch, I would have.


Well, I went off on a different long winded tirade anyways. Fuck it. I am gonna be bold here and not do the usual few proofreads. I do it every few paragraphs as I type, especially while in flow like this. I am too frustrated at myself to want to read it again anyways. If you can dredge through what I am even sick of, good for you. And thank you

Fuck this personality shit. You guys think the same way I do. You guys have a lot of quirks that I do. More than any other group I have yet found online. I like it. I can relate very, very strongly, to a point it feels like I am reading my own posts again and again through this forum. Little pieces of myself all over. I might post some more. We'll see.

(Ok, I lied a little about proofreading. I checked for spelling errors highlighted by my browser-- but that was it!)

 

[Kita]

I am picking around http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Jung/types.htm


This is interesting, as I am seeing it on display in both my own interpretations of myself and others interpretations of me (emphasis mine...damn, should have bolded the entire effin paragraph.):

"Hence its value is also merely relative. The excessive development of the introverted standpoint in consciousness, for instance, does not lead to a better or sounder application of the subjective factor, but to an artificial subjectification of consciousness, which can hardly escape the reproach 'merely subjective'. For, as a countertendency to this morbid subjectification, there ensues a desubjectification of consciousness in the form of an exaggerated extraverted attitude which richly deserves Weininger's description "misautic". Inasmuch as the introverted attitude is based upon a universally present, extremely real, and absolutely indispensable condition of psychological adaptation, such expressions as 'philautic', 'egocentric', and the like are both objectionable and out of place, since they foster the prejudice that it is invariably a question of the beloved ego. Nothing could be more absurd than such an assumption. Yet one is continually meeting it when examining the judgments of the extravert upon the introvert. Not, of course, that I wish to ascribe such an error to individual extraverts; it is rather the present generally accepted extraverted view which is by no means restricted to the extraverted [p. 475] type; for it finds just as many representatives in the ranks of the other type, albeit very much against its own interest. The reproach of being untrue to his own kind is justly levelled at the latter, whereas, this, at least, can never be charged against the former."

It continues... (aww, just read it, I won't highlight the whole thing again...)

"The introverted attitude is normally governed by the psychological structure, theoretically determined by heredity, but which to the subject is an ever present subjective factor. This must not be assumed, however, to be simply identical with the subject's ego, an assumption that is certainly implied in the above mentioned designations of Weininger; it is rather the psychological structure of the subject that precedes any development of the ego. The really fundamental subject, the Self, is far more comprehensive than the ego, because the former also embraces the unconscious, while the latter is essentially the focal point of consciousness. Were the ego identical with the Self, it would be unthinkable that we should be able to appear in dreams in entirely different forms and with entirely different meanings. But it is a characteristic peculiarity of the introvert, which, moreover, is as much in keeping with his own inclination as with the general bias, that he tends to confuse his ego with the Self, and to exalt his ego to the position of subject of the psychological process, thus effecting that morbid subjectification of consciousness, mentioned above, which so alienates him from the object."

Holy effin... well I'll be...

"Thus, just as it seems incomprehensible to the introvert that the object should always be decisive, it remains just as enigmatic to the extravert how a subjective standpoint can be superior to the objective situation. He reaches the unavoidable conclusion that the introvert is either a conceited egoist or a fantastic doctrinaire. Recently he seems to have reached the conclusion that the introvert is constantly influenced by an unconscious power-complex. The introvert unquestionably exposes himself to this prejudice; for it cannot be denied that his definite and highly generalized mode of expression, which apparently excludes every other view from the outset, lends a certain countenance to [p. 477] this extraverted opinion. Furthermore, the very decisiveness and inflexibility of the subjective judgment, which is superordinated to all objective data, is alone sufficient to create the impression of a strong egocentricity. The introvert usually lacks the right argument in presence of this prejudice; for he is just as unaware of the unconscious, though thoroughly sound presuppositions of his subjective judgment, as he is of his subjective perceptions. In harmony with the style of the times, he looks without, instead of behind his own consciousness for the answer."

Which explains all my own rambling...

And it seems others here represent (at least from an argument standpoint, even if it is against their personality) extroverted tendencies, and I wasn't aware?

Ho hum.


And, ultimately, thank you Jung. You know where I am right now, and why I am rambling on a personality forum. Because this, THIS is why I am here, stuck, looking for advice:

"The more the ego seeks to secure every possible liberty, independence, superiority, and freedom from obligations, the deeper does it fall into the slavery of objective facts. The subject's freedom of mind is chained to an ignominious financial dependence, his unconcernedness of action suffers now and again, a distressing collapse in the face of public opinion, his moral superiority gets swamped in inferior relationships, and his desire to dominate ends in a pitiful craving to be loved. The chief concern of the unconscious in such a case is the relation to the object, and it affects this in a way that is calculated to bring both the power illusion and the superiority phantasy to utter ruin. The object assumes terrifying dimensions, in spite of conscious depreciation. Detachment from, and command of, the object are, in consequence, pursued by the ego still more violently. Finally, the ego surrounds itself by a regular system of safeguards (Adler has ably [p. 479] depicted these) which shall at least preserve the illusion of superiority. But, therewith, the introvert severs himself completely from the object, and either squanders his energy in defensive measures or makes fruitless attempts to impose his power upon the object and successfully assert himself. But these efforts are constantly being frustrated by the overwhelming impressions he receives from the object. It continually imposes itself upon him against his will; it provokes in him the most disagreeable and obstinate affects, persecuting him at every step. An immense, inner struggle is constantly required of him, in order to 'keep going.' Hence Psychoasthenia is his typical form of neurosis, a malady which is characterized on the one hand by an extreme sensitiveness, and on the other by a great liability to exhaustion and chronic fatigue."

I realize I have been in and out of this particular area for a very long time now... because I have always been an introvert fighting to protect my ego and protect my ideals from the outer objective world ripping everything up. Did I mention I was diagnosed with OCD when I was 12 or so? You wouldn't know by seeing my messy house (but it is organized) and lack of 'Adrian Monk' stereotypical tics. It is most likely a Psychasthenia neurosis that manifested a long, long time ago. That makes a lot more sense. I never felt OCD really was something I seemed to display. Wow, I know Wikipedia isn't exactly a complete
description, but that describes my inner anxiety and neurosis SO WELL. (admittedly, it is nowhere near as severe as it was when I was younger, which is why as an adult I never looked into it. It still rears up, however, especially under stress. I had not pondered too deep into this aspect of my nature for a while now...)

And, finally, the explanation for my recent fascination in people and sociology, wanting to understand how the humans work and why they think such silly things:

"An analysis of the personal unconscious yields an abundance of power phantasies coupled with fear of the dangerously animated objects, to which, as a matter of fact, the introvert easily falls a victim. For a peculiar cowardliness develops from this fear of the object; he shrinks from making either himself or his opinion effective, always dreading an intensified influence on the part of the object. He is terrified of impressive affects in others, and is hardly ever free from the dread of falling under hostile influence. For objects possess terrifying and powerful qualities for him-qualities which he cannot consciously discern in them, but which, through his unconscious perception, he cannot choose but believe in. Since his conscious relation to the object is relatively repressed, its exit is by way of the unconscious, where it becomes loaded with the qualities of the unconscious. These qualities are primarily infantile and archaic. His relation to the object, therefore, becomes correspondingly primitive, taking on all those peculiarities which characterize the primitive objectrelationship. Now it seems as though objects possessed [p. 480] magical powers. Strange, new objects excite fear and distrust, as though concealing unknown dangers; objects long rooted and blessed by tradition are attached to his soul as by invisible threads; every change has a disturbing, if not actually dangerous aspect, since its apparent implication is a magical animation of the object."


Wow. Just... wow. I had that page opened for days too, just got around to reading through it today. It's thick reading, and as mentioned in one passage, I do suffer from this sort of constant mental exhaustion and chronic fatigue. I get about 6 hours of useful brain activity a day where I can either be productive or read something very scholarly and in depth. Before and after that magic time, I am a mess. I need a full night's rest of 9 hours minimum to fully recover the entire 6 hours of useful brain activity. Working full time while in college sucked, needless to say.


There is more, but I feel myself slipping. I have more to do today. I might finish it another day and post more useful findings then.

 

[Kita]

Ok, so, I suppose the question I now have, and can't seem to figure out is, can I be an introvert with an extroverted personality type? Or am I missing something here? Reading through things about Extroverts that Jung said, I found things only to be true sometimes, contextually, or a little true. But introversion is so dead on, it is creepy. Like, Jung is in my brain right now kind of creepy. There were a couple minor points near the end of his explanation I found untrue, but the vast majority just fit so perfectly.


Is this something that one can flop between like I seem to? Or am I in some kind of messed up/ confused state? I have been concerned lately about all the masks I wear, and whether I have kind of... lost my identity because of them. I think that is why I want to badly to understand. I feel like I don't know who I am any more. I am so many people, but no one in particular. And, certainly, none feel like... me. No 'personalities' fit perfectly, and all 'masks' I wear are a lie to some degree. The place in my head is me, but I don't always trust it because I feel like I lie to myself a lot, perhaps to protect my ego from the objective world as Jung mentioned. Maybe that is what is happening here? Cognitive dissonance from all directions my personality sways?

Ugh.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Meh if you're that sure you're an introvert you're as good a judge as anyone here. Because we've only seen a few posts you've made. What strung me as extroverted was the level of energy you displayed, the way you sound really active. That and your scatteredness which seemed to point towards dominant Ne. ENTPs can be ambiverted, but they aren't going to be introverts unless they are depressed and in the grip of their inferior.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

MBTI is choose your own class and game, how could we possibly argue. Welcome aboard the Irrelevance class battleship.

 

[Polaris]

OMGwords



Err....and welcome to the forum.

Don't worry, I'm not even going to attempt to type you at first glance.

However, the linked site below might help as I find it describes cognitive functions with relative precision according to different contexts.

I find it very, very difficult to type people based on a short time span as it reveals little about patterns. My background in science has taught me not to jump to conclusions just because I see something that immediately agrees with my confirmation bias, although it's very tempting, because Ne and Si :P

Patterns are more easily discernible over a longer time span; if you give it enough time, they eventually speak for themselves.

With respect to my own type, it has taken me about five years to reach a conclusion with relative confidence, but I fluctuated between INTJ, INFJ and INTP for quite some time.

Hope you enjoy your time here

http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/index.cfm

 

[nowakiself]

too long, you should try to resize it cuz i was going to read it but i got cancer

Lmfao. Best. Comment.

 

[Minuend]

Yeah, I'm not going to read all that

But yes, you can be an introvert with dom extroverted function. At least according to some branch of this theory stuff. I think there used to be a sticky thread, but it seems to be unstickied nao

Not all ENFPs are caring.

<------- cynical, introverted ENFP overly valuing logic and precision of thought

Okay, I searched eet http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=6582&

I hate it when I press "go" instead of "search" =| who put that button there seriously

Do you tend to talk a bit more than people are able to pay attention to/ keep up with in real life? Do you find people tend to get impatient when you talk to them?

Being socially drained can be a result of maintaining personas. If you are constantly censoring yourself and consciously tailoring your behavior to situations and people.