INTPs = Drunk students?

[Dead But Dreaming]

http://www.discoveryourpersonality.com/intp.html

• Most frequent among college students referred for drug and alcohol violations.

Why?

 

[Cogwulf]

Valuing principles above rules to the point where the rules are purposefully broken in an attempt to prove that rules aren't always right.

INTP students will decide that drinking alcohol is against the rules merely to prevent people from being drunk. The rule will be seen as unjust because it is there to enforce the principle of not getting drunk, but it is possible to drink without getting drunk

 

[Cavallier]

I figure the drug use is just a matter of curiosity coupled with the knowledge that rules are just guidelines.

The one I have a beef with is:

With ISTPs, had the lowest mean level of coping resources; ranked 16th out of 16 types on total resources.

STFU! I'm a survivor!

 

[Cavallier]

^

I don't understand why they got upset. I mean, you told them everything they wanted to hear right? I love that your response to being ignored by the underage drinkers was to play video games. Quality.

 

[Chimera]

Banana, put that post back up! Your essay made me llol (literally laugh out loud).

I may not be intp, I dunno, but when it comes to drugs in general my mind just says "Not necessary,
move along." Being drunk doesn't sound like fun, neither does being high or tripping out. Shrug.​

 

[Darby]

I may not be intp, I dunno, but when it comes to drugs in general my mind just says "Not necessary,
move along." Being drunk doesn't sound like fun, neither does being high or tripping out. Shrug.​

I also had the "not necessary" voice, but I also had the "yeah, but what is it like?" voice

I finally got high last summer, BAD IDEA, I have never been more terrified in my life, I blacked out and forgot who I was and where I was, and it felt like I was stuck in an eternal loop.

Now, I don't ever want to go near drugs, and I don't really care for alcohol, but I don't regret the experience, not anymore anyways.

and as for rules, I don't have a problem as long as they make sense and do what they are meant to do(keep order), without interfering too much with peoples lives. I feel most rules are put there for a reason, but if I don't feel that way, then why bother following it?

Summary:

Not into drugs, alcohol, whatever, not too into breaking rules

 

[Wish]

Banana, put that post back up! Your essay made me llol (literally laugh out loud).

I may not be intp, I dunno, but when it comes to drugs in general my mind just says "Not necessary,
move along." Being drunk doesn't sound like fun, neither does being high or tripping out. Shrug.​

I've always found it strange that despite INTPs often believing they can't truly make a decision unless they feel they completely understand the situation or the implications of their decision, that so many people here take this position. I fully understand that drugs and alcohol are more towards the 'dangerous' end of the experimentation spectrum so any hesitation is obviously expected, but I don't understand why the truth-seeking/experimenting nature of INTPs is lost here.

Personally, I've tried alcohol, marijuana, and psychedelics, but before doing so I did research to make sure that these substances were somewhat safe. It turns out that they are. People seem to lump all sorts of drugs into one category of drugs=bad, but there is a HUGE difference between weed and heroin/crystal meth/etc.

Of course you can say that you prefer being sober but how can one truly mean that without understanding the alternative? Through my experimentation I've decided that I do in fact prefer the sober state-of-mind, though some of the safer drugs can be compelling experiences. They've helped me to think differently not just from the effects but from having the context of being sober and high/tripping/drunk.

Anyway... I'm not trying to single you out chimera just posing the question, and of course it isn't necessarily the case that those who have stayed sober think drugs are necessarily 'bad', perhaps they just think that, like you said, they are merely an unnecessary part of life, which of course, they might be, but I think that could be said for a lot of things.

 

[Cavallier]

Alcohol is an acquired taste. Plus, not everybody likes not being entirely in control of their faculties. However, I think there is a big difference between having a good time with a few cocktails/beers and being falling down drunk. A lot of people think that you're only drinking if you puke at some point during the evening. It's an unhealthy way of approaching drinking.

There has always been alcohol use in my house. I had my first brandy when I was 10. I got my first hang over when I was 7. (Don't worry guys. It was just a little too much champagne ) However, I've only ever had a hangover 3 or 4 times in my life including the childhood incident. Many of the people I went to school with went on crazy drinking binges the minute they got into college. Most of them were absolutely forbidden alcohol up until that point. I think that in forbidding a little experimentation as children ultimately caused the braincell murdering parties most of my dorm mates went to.

 

[Chimera]

WW;;
For a while I assumed I would experiment once, just to say I've done it, and then never go back.
But...what's the point in that? The way I see it, I don't want to be involved with drugs. There are too many instances where people have had their lives ruined by them because they didn't know what they were doing.

"I could just do it once, just to see what it's like." But what if I actually like it? I don't have the strongest will, or self-discipline, and I know I'm smart enough to worm around restrictions and do things without getting caught. It freaks me out to think that, if I got addicted to something, my mind would be a slave to my body.

Yeah, I know it's not always an addiction on first try deal. But why would I want to risk that, for the sake of something I don't want to continue doing in the first place?
And I also know that there are plenty of people that use drugs and aren't necessarily addicted to them. But the risk of addiction, not to mention the risk of overdosing or other health problems, just doesn't sound appealing to me. ​

 

[Cavallier]

It freaks me out to think that, if I got addicted to something, my mind would be a slave to my body.

This is interesting. You don't express your desire for freedom by breaking the rules and doing drugs. You express your desire for freedom by eschewing those things you think might control you such as drugs.


*I've decided that Book Antiqua is the font for me*

 

[Adymus]

Chimera, not that I am try to convince you to try drugs or anything, but I think you've bought into the imagery of overdosed teens, twitchy heroin addicts to a point where you are just vastly underestimating your own inhibition. The amount of people who fall into drug addiction or die of an OD are tiny minority in comparison to the people who don't.

"I could just do it once, just to see what it's like." But what if I actually like it?

Well here is the thing about many of the drugs out there, it is more than likely that you will like them. It wouldn't make very much sense to try it because you thought you wouldn't like it, and you were looking to confirm this hypothesis. Of course you might like it, that's something you should expect, but you separating drugs from other recreation in a way that they should not be separated. For instance, you might really like candy, or video games, or snowboarding, or sex, but are you addicted to them? Is there really anything else in yourself that you are afraid to actually enjoy because you might just enjoy it beyond moderation? Drugs are not the only things people get addicted to, it could WoW, or Gambling, or Stealing, or porn, or any of the other thousands of things some people enjoy doing.

I do think that many people have either weak will, or a genetic disposition which results in addiction, but I don't think it is rational to assume we all do.

I can vouch that I have tried many drugs as well, I regret nothing about it, in fact I see it as being something that was very necessary for my mental growth. But that is just me, I'm not saying you should follow. All I am saying is out of everything I tried, I never once felt compelled to keep on doing it beyond moderation like you seem to think it is going to make you do.


Also, I gotta play the MBTI card here: You're an INTP, we are probably among the least likely of types to actually gain an addiction to drugs. If you were an ESFP I'd say you had something to worry about, but you're not.

Disclaimer: There are two drugs that, like you, I actually did put my concerns first with: Heroin and meth. Which I why I never tried them. I already know what their affects are, and they wouldn't interest me anyway, so trying them would be a no win situation.

 

[bluesquid]

I have been drunk since I was 21, so for 14 years.

But drugs dont tickle my pickle.

 

[Polaris]

WW;;
For a while I assumed I would experiment once, just to say I've done it, and then never go back.
But...what's the point in that? The way I see it, I don't want to be involved with drugs. There are too many instances where people have had their lives ruined by them because they didn't know what they were doing.

"I could just do it once, just to see what it's like." But what if I actually like it? I don't have the strongest will, or self-discipline, and I know I'm smart enough to worm around restrictions and do things without getting caught. It freaks me out to think that, if I got addicted to something, my mind would be a slave to my body.

Yeah, I know it's not always an addiction on first try deal. But why would I want to risk that, for the sake of something I don't want to continue doing in the first place?
And I also know that there are plenty of people that use drugs and aren't necessarily addicted to them. But the risk of addiction, not to mention the risk of overdosing or other health problems, just doesn't sound appealing to me. ​

That is exactly how I felt about drugs when I was younger, and to a degree, still do. I was "talked into" doing drugs once when I was 26 or so, and I was like, fine...now what? I didn't feel much different, except I got quite talkative (which is not like me). The following day I had the worst comedown. It was awful.

I have tried smoking weed a couple of times, with the result I got extremely paranoid. I think I am, like you, a person who likes to have control (over myself), and for that reason, drugs have a certain negative effect on me. Also I feel no need whatsoever to use them. I am quite happy with a glass of wine or a beer. Any more than that, and I'll be spewing ungracefully in the ladie's or falling asleep. How very entertaining. Not.

I think you are wise to stay away from the drugs, Chimera, personally. But if you are going to experiment, be with people you trust. (That's if you trust anyone.....and I generally have issues with trust.....)

 

[Chimera]

Cavallier;;
I can function perfectly under the rules other people place over me. Those rules can be bent and perhaps broken; that knowledge keeps me content to follow them. ^^;

Adymus;;
Heh, interesting you mentioned WoW.
Actually, part of the reason my resolve against trying drugs has strengthened recently is because of WoW. I've been playing it for about half a year, and it's easy to see that I've become pretty addicted to it. And the fact I went into playing WoW with a "Whatever happens, I can't let this take over my life" mindset, makes me wonder if I would crumple so easily if I tried other potentially addictive things.
Everyone has a different probability of getting addicted. But I'm saying that, from what I know and have observed about myself, the odds of addiction are too high for me to chance.
I'd be lying if I said I'm not curious about drugs though. And I can only speak for my present self; perhaps in the future I'll have more confidence in my ability to control myself, and I'll allow myself to take some chances. But right now, no. No drugs. My sense of self-preservation is too high. ​

 

[warryer]

DEA- drugs every afternoon.

There is nothing like smoking a fat link after a stressful day. Feel your worries melt away. Everything begins to make sense. Alternate, in-depth modes of seeing the world around you.

I recommend that everybody try it out at least once just so they can question what reality really is.

In my opinion, mushrooms are the best.

Adymus, really? Meth and heroin? I'm not going to judge you for your choice but, that is the kind of stuff that I plan on never doing.

 

[Adymus]

Adymus, really? Meth and heroin? I'm not going to judge you for your choice but, that is the kind of stuff that I plan on never doing.

Uhhm, you might what to go read that again buddy. I said those are the two I'd never try.

 

[Wish]

Yea, as a rule of thumb, it's best to never try those two. Also, cocaine and all opiates (the likes of opium) are very low on my "to consider list".. inhalants are also pretty much out of the question.

 

[warryer]

Uhhm, you might what to go read that again buddy. I said those are the two I'd never try.

Ah shit, sorry.

My sister who is studying physical therapy was telling me that drugs like meth and heroin cause such an explosion of dopamine in your brain that it permanently ruins your receptors. Sure you might feel like god for a few hours but never again. This is where I would imagine the addiction stems from.

Wishing well- agreed on inhalants too. There was a group of kids at my high school who were huffing spray paint and ended up crashing into a concrete wall on the side of the road. They were so messed up that they had to get facial reconstructive surgery. That said, might as well scoop your brain out of your head and into the frying pan because thats all it is.

 

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Ah shit, sorry.

My sister who is studying physical therapy was telling me that drugs like meth and heroin cause such an explosion of dopamine in your brain that it permanently ruins your receptors. Sure you might feel like god for a few hours but never again. This is where I would imagine the addiction stems from.

I uh... don't know if I believe the permanent part. I mean, this is definitely the mechanism addiction- drug causes more-than-normal amounts of your happy chemicals to be around, but when you're off the drug you have less-than-normal amounts of happy chemicals.

(I think heroin, since it's an opiate, works on the opiod receptors. Those are the pathways to nullify pain when you're in shock or in a really intense situation where your body is like "fuck pain, we gotta run for our lives".)

BUT I don't know if I believe the "permanent" part. I think that, with time, the receptors would re-adjust. It's just tough to wait that long. (I imagine to fully adjust, it'd be years for heroin. Maybe.)

But hey.... there's always Ibogaine for recovery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibogaine

That being said, I was a drunk & stoned student. Mostly stoned.

 

[Latro]

RT-no, they're right. Very potent stuff can and will have permanent effects. The whole "you never stop being an alcoholic" thing isn't just some BS that AA made up, and it applies to other things too.

Also, ibogaine sounds a lot like the Native American use of peyote as a treatment of alcoholism.

That said, I have this combination that keeps me off drugs:
Genetic predisposition to dependence
Past experience with psychological addiction to a "non-fun" substance
Addictive personality (I've had a few MMO addictions in my day for example)
Very powerful dislike of being controlled

 

[travelnjones]

Im a tea totaller, but as a general thought of any one INTP's dont need another reason to not do shit.

My view of drugs isnt a twitching addict but rather a 40 year old dude named Paul who lives with his parents and smokes pot all day. I already waste too much time on video games and day dreaming.

 

[Adymus]

My view of drugs isnt a twitching addict but rather a 40 year old dude named Paul who lives with his parents and smokes pot all day. I already waste too much time on video games and day dreaming.

I would have respected you more if your view was the former.

I apologize for putting this in such a crude manner, but suggesting everyone who smokes pot automatically fails at life is, no offense, completely idiotic. You have bought into the propaganda in a far more irrational and just over all non-independent minded way.

 

[bluesquid]

two 1.75 mags of everclear just arrived at my doorstep. I think I have taken drinking to the next level. Will post my recipe when done

 

[Il Nessuno]

Why?

Dunno. I do like booze and drugs though.

 

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RT-no, they're right. Very potent stuff can and will have permanent effects. The whole "you never stop being an alcoholic" thing isn't just some BS that AA made up, and it applies to other things too.

wikipedia says:

Repeated use of diacetylmorphine results in a number of physiological changes, including decreases in the number of μ-opioid receptors.[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin#Pharmacology

That's what I found. But wiki didn't clarify whether it was permanent or not... and also didn't have a citation! So I'm calling BS and I want you to find a reference.

From my understanding of receptors... it just wouldn't happen permanently. There would be reduced receptors, but permanent is crazy. Our body has too many feedback loops & control mechanisms for me to believe it.

Also, ibogaine sounds a lot like the Native American use of peyote as a treatment of alcoholism.

Yeah, it kinda is. The idea is that the addict feels guilty & bad about their addiction, on some level. The psychedelics send them into a crazy bad trip, and they come out changed men. LSD is also a candidate for curing alcoholism.

 

[NothingTodo]

I would drink just to prove i can do it without getting drunk

 

[EditorOne]

Somewhere somewhen I read that INTPs can get into alcohol or drugs to the point where it seems addictive, but turns out to be from an odd form of boredom. Addiction is physical; boredom is more of a mental condition. I don't necessarily buy it, but I used to drink to the point where everyone was convinced I was an alcoholic, then just decided to quit. I have no urge to resume, in very large part because it seems to have been an enormous investment in wasted time. No good seems to come of overindulgence, although it certainly took long enough for me to figure that out.

Just mentioning the boredom as the engine behind the craving because it seemed interesting. Oh, and also to make sure anyone who thinks they're addicted might be wrong.

 

[bovinity]

I think it's probably because INTP's aren't satisfied with the world around them but aren't willing to take the long list of steps to improve it, so they seek pleasurable internal experience out of boredom. It's the same reason people play video games.

 

[bluesquid]

Somewhere somewhen I read that INTPs can get into alcohol or drugs to the point where it seems addictive, but turns out to be from an odd form of boredom. Addiction is physical; boredom is more of a mental condition. I don't necessarily buy it, but I used to drink to the point where everyone was convinced I was an alcoholic, then just decided to quit. I have no urge to resume, in very large part because it seems to have been an enormous investment in wasted time. No good seems to come of overindulgence, although it certainly took long enough for me to figure that out.

Just mentioning the boredom as the engine behind the craving because it seemed interesting. Oh, and also to make sure anyone who thinks they're addicted might be wrong.

Really how I am. I look at most fellow alchys with disdain. "YOU actually need it?"

I drink alot. I mean like almost a bottle of bourbon or 20 beers a day, on average 5 days a week. I mix it up. But I drink because there are only so many projects, or books I can read straight. I get profoundly bored. If it wasnt for booze and the internet i literally would slip into a coma.

 

[Alice?]

I drink alot. I mean like almost a bottle of bourbon or 20 beers a day, on average 5 days a week. I mix it up. But I drink because there are only so many projects, or books I can read straight. I get profoundly bored. If it wasnt for booze and the internet i literally would slip into a coma.

You probably already know this, but your liver is going to start failing damn soon if you keep it up.

In general, I try to stay away from alcohol. I mean, a drink or two every one and a while isn't going to hurt, but I have a strong family history of alcoholism on both sides so I realize that I need to be careful in order to not fall into the same pattern. I have no problem when it comes to people that do drink, though. It's just not my style. Also, I tend to have a hard time giving up control in social situations so I don't particularly like the feeling alcohol gives me. I've never been more than pretty tipsy before, but one day I'm going to get drunk just out of curiousity. I'm not that's healthy or not, but then again I'm not sure that I care if it isn't.
I think I just contradicted myself a bit.
When it comes to drugs, I'm only a little curious. I haven't done anything so far, but I'd definitely try pot if I didn't get drug tested for work. I've done a lot of research and it's really the only drug that I would dare to try.

 

[Lithorn]

Some Greek philosophers believed that pondering really wasn't pondering if you weren't a little tipsy. :smiley_emoticons_mr

 

[DylanHead]

I drank for years in large volumes, but it became boring so I quit. Strange as it sounds staying sober at social events makes for a fun challenge. My 21st birthday is going to be a much bigger challenge though...

(Weed on the other hand... I'm not seeing the downside : )

 

[y4r5xeym5]

To paraphrase:
-desires money
-loves art and writing
-can't cope with stress
-is a druggie

I'm sorry, but I'm not relating whatsoever

 

[NeverAmI]

Health reasons brought me out of an alcoholic stupor. I am still trying to determine whether that is good or bad.

 

[Dormouse]

Hmm, well I'm not a druggie yet, but those other three are spot on.

Cheers!

 

[HDINTP]

I always thought i don't really need it.

 

[Beholder]

I've done lots of drugs, but really only out of curiosity and boredom. I've gone on long binges of weed and alcohol many times, and then stopped just as abruptly as I started, with no withdrawal symptoms or any hardships of any kind.
The only drugs I'm really curious about are psychedelics, I've done mild doses of LSD (<one tab) and Salvia a couple times, and mushrooms once. The LSD was amazing, every single time, it was like an intense spiritual journey, hours and hours of intense non-stop Ti thinking. Every trip was like two months of thinking packed into a few hours, and always ended with some great realizations. LSD is THE DRUG for INTPs. Highly recommended, it has virtually no dangers except the risk of a bad trip, which is easy to avoid if you do it responsibly.
As for the fear most people have of "losing control of their faculties", I myself, and I think this would be true for most INTPs, always have that rational Ti at the forefront of my mind, always keeping me in check, never letting me get out of hand (when on mushrooms, I was a little tired at the beginning, so I drank a lot of cola and took a nap, so that I would wake up from having to pee and the caffeine, then I walked around, but only in the light and listened to happy music, all this to keep me from going into a bad trip, there were a few moments where I saw really scary stuff, but I immediately forced myself to calm down, and told myself it was only the mushrooms. Basically I stayed very rational and "in control". It was the same with LSD too, except I always took it before sunrise, so never even came close to a bad trip, but I was always careful about not losing my keys, staying hydrated, stuff like that).
The only drug that has ever come close to making me lose control was alcohol.

 

[C.J_Finn]

I enjoy drinking, but I don't really do it that often. It's the same as with weed for me. I enjoy the effects, but I don't want that "filter" to be on too much. Reality is a much better drug imo.