INTP's and mindless intellectualism

[Lobstrich]

So if I'm not good enough to qualify as a real intellectual, should I quit trying to learn new stuff (i.e. quit trying) so I won't be a mere pseudo-intellectual?

Not good enough? Well the only thing you can't be good enough according to me (and now also Iuanes) Is your attitude. I don't think you have an attitude.
And if you did, why would you just quit? You could just give some thought to it. Then choose to go "Maybe they are right" or ignore it. That's your choice. Just like it's our choice how we choose to judge people as intellectuals and pseudo-intellectuals.

 

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It has nothing to do with reading alot. I don't really read alot myself. Besides, if you think that intellectualism is decided on the amount one reads, then I think you need to reavulate your understanding of the word.

I consider intellectualism to be a genuine interest in X topic. An open mind which is ready for input that contradicts with your own ideas and opinions about X topic. And not just a droned speech that you have rehearsed ten times just so you can spout it around and sound all smart.
A thing that adds 'points' on pseudo-intellectualism is when people use unecessary words. Use 'advanced' and 'smart' words when one could just as easy say "I think it's about this because of that" (Weird example, I know. Couldn't really come up with anything)

EDIT: I also do not think that you have to be 'smart' to be an intellectual. You don't even have to be able to recognize the name Einstein, and you can still be an intellectual. I'd be quite amused, surprised even shocked. If you didn't know his name. But I wouldn't go "That dude is soooo not an intellectual" There can be millions of reasons one does not know the name. Judging wether or not one is an intellectual or not depending on the books they read, the music they listen to, the philosophers they know (if they even give a shit about philosophers) and the names they know.. Is pseudo-intellectual in my opinion. It's pretentions behaviour at it's best(worst)

But that last thing is just me though. It's my personal opinion on attitudes. It's not exactly objective.

I was confusing intelletualism for pseduo intellectualism. Either wayrest assured I don't think knowing the name einstein makes you smart or open minded.

"I think it's about this because of that" (Weird example, I know. Couldn't really come up with anything)"

This is a great example.

 

[Lobstrich]

I was confusing intelletualism for pseduo intellectualism. Either wayrest assured I don't think knowing the name einstein makes you smart or open minded.

Hehe okay, just had to make sure you know?

"I think it's about this because of that" (Weird example, I know. Couldn't really come up with anything)"

This is a great example.

Really? I thought it was well, weird, like I said. Glad you thought it was great though.

EDIT: Actually, I have some criticism to my own view on what pseudo-intellectualism is. On the use of 'smart' words. I was reflecting and thought, how do I know they use X word in a pretentious way? Maybe they just used the word without any thought and without any 'pseudo-intellectual hidden agenda' behind it.
My point is that I think it's alot more about the attitude of the person, and not really the terminology. (I could just as well have said "the use of words" there, hmm.. Maybe I just felt 'terminology' fit in there)

 

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Hehe okay, just had to make sure you know?



Really? I thought it was well, weird, like I said. Glad you thought it was great though.

EDIT: Actually, I have some criticism to my own view on what pseudo-intellectualism is. On the use of 'smart' words. I was reflecting and thought, how do I know they use X word in a pretentious way? Maybe they just used the word without any thought and without any 'pseudo-intellectual hidden agenda' behind it.
My point is that I think it's alot more about the attitude of the person, and not really the terminology. (I could just as well have said "the use of words" there, hmm.. Maybe I just felt 'terminology' fit in there)

just posted in the type me thread and have been going through my posts here. Realised i didn't reply to you. necro time.

"Use 'advanced' and 'smart' words when one could just as easy say "I think it's about this because of that" (Weird example, I know. Couldn't really come up with anything)"

I think i said I thought it was a great example because:

I felt like you didn't need to excuse the example with the bit in parenthesis: the example may be odd, but you didn't need to come up with something less odd when that example worked perfectly well.

Also, in some situations I consciously try to express myself more in a way less open to mocking, a lot of the time the essential thought at the heart of an explanation is "it's like this, because of that" but people dress it up, "the heart of the matter is" etc, I do it without even thinking about it at this point, because people are more likely to agree with you if you talk that way, but it's deception. not an unusually high level of deception but kids aren't born using rhetoric, kids say "it's about this because of that" and I'm inclined to feel that everything else is a kind of pseudo-intellectualism.

 

[Zionoxis]

Yes I agree, and INTP vs. INTP is just mentally stimulating. Brings out the thought processes.

Have you ever argued with an ENTJ?? Its so easy for an INTP to win at one of those. And I say "win" because in the perspective of an ENTJ, it only matters if they are right...

INTP vs. ENTJ usually ends in a nuclear explosion. After the dust settles, the INTP is seen chilling and seeminly unphased, and the ENTJ is slamming things, pissed, and heard shouting hours after the encounter, cursing off the INTP who clearly doesn't give a damn.

Sorry for going off topic.

I am very tempted to go visit the ENTJ forums because of this.... *puts the trollface on*

 

[ked]

I always say my opinions as sure knowledge as well as put my opinions at any place for no reason at all. Not sure if I should be called an idiot or as one doing research but I guess I am just an idiot as there is absolutely no truth in what I am saying..

 

[BigApplePi]

Well if yer not going to DO anything, you might as well indulge in what yer disposed to. They say, "Empty wagons make the most noise." If you hear that or do that, what is the social impact?