INTP's and contradiction

[final-dimension]

I won't say anything about anything first I want to see your thoughts then I will reply in two weeks.I just want to know if what I think is right or wrong first then I will reply.Your thoughts please!:smiley_emoticons_mr

 

[Magnetosphere]

You never asked the question you want an answer to. I'm assuming that you want to know if it's common for INTPs to contradict others - if that's not what you're asking, you should clarify.

While I can't speak on behalf of my fellows INTPs, I have found that I have somewhat of a "problem" with contradiction. More correctly, other people think I have a "contradiction problem". I just find that it's natural for me to point out the flaws in the arguments of others. I refine my own ideas by smashing them to pieces, so I try my very best to do the same for others. Of course, I always glue my mess back together. Many people, it seems, either aren't capable of, or don't want to go through the trouble of improving a flawed idea. Ergo, they don't like it when I contradict them.

To summarize, I view contradiction as a problem-solving mechanism, so long as it isn't over-the-top and petty.

 

[Cogwulf]

I have a problem with changing my mind about something while explaining it to someone else, then I end up having to try and continue my speech supporting the new viewpoint in a way that makes it look like I haven't changed my view

 

[Solitaire U.]

I have more of a problem with these persistent attempts to assign traits as if they're symptoms of the disease of MBTI.

Example...The reason you (OP) 'won't say anything about anything...' is because you know damned well that no matter how hard you try not to say anything contradictory, even the stupidest INTP will be able to twist your words into a contradiction and would do so without hesitation just so we can all point our fingers and make fun of you. I mean, everybody knows all INTPs share a proclivity for that type of thing, so we're just using the gifts we were born with, right?

Contradiction is an idea-builder's troubleshooting tool, but this OP is far too suggestive of having originated from someone who only knows how to use it as a cudgel to make further extrapolation worth the effort.

 

[Cogwulf]

I have more of a problem with these persistent attempts to assign traits as if they're symptoms of the disease of MBTI.

They're more like rubbish anecdotes than traits.

 

[hablahdoo]

I have a problem with changing my mind about something while explaining it to someone else, then I end up having to try and continue my speech supporting the new viewpoint in a way that makes it look like I haven't changed my view

This is why writing essays is so hellish to me. Habitual self doubt makes me learn everything beneath a concept before I form a conclusion. I'm neutral to what I don't understand so it's hard to write anything persuasive or with purpose.

 

[final-dimension]

I think I was wrong!

 

[final-dimension]

I have more of a problem with these persistent attempts to assign traits as if they're symptoms of the disease of MBTI.

Example...The reason you (OP) 'won't say anything about anything...' is because you know damned well that no matter how hard you try not to say anything contradictory, even the stupidest INTP will be able to twist your words into a contradiction and would do so without hesitation just so we can all point our fingers and make fun of you. I mean, everybody knows all INTPs share a proclivity for that type of thing, so we're just using the gifts we were born with, right?

Contradiction is an idea-builder's troubleshooting tool, but this OP is far too suggestive of having originated from someone who only knows how to use it as a cudgel to make further extrapolation worth the effort.

Well I do that too,but I didn't mean this.What I was talking about is selfcontradiction.And not only that,but having something like two different personalities and I mean really different it si kinda confusing to me I don't who I really am and it freaks me out.Sometimes I think I am stupid, because of the way I think the way I act.Sometimes my actions contradict with my thoughts.I guess it is just me not an INTP thing.Thanks
P.S:I don't like posting a lot in this forum,cause Eglish is my third language,and I hate doing stupid mistakes.Sorry if I have wasted your time INTP fellows.

 

[final-dimension]

I have a problem with changing my mind about something while explaining it to someone else, then I end up having to try and continue my speech supporting the new viewpoint in a way that makes it look like I haven't changed my view

I do that a lot and I kinda hate it.

 

[final-dimension]

It is my fault didn't carify what I meant.

 

[Moocow]

Well Mr. F. Dimension, you're bound to frustrate yourself if you're going to base your sense of identity and self worth on the finality and correctness of your conclusions. I don't think it would be wise to try to, either.

I do just what you're talking about, and it is quite confusing. I don't even really try to set strict rules for myself because I see that my dedication and agreement with them changes almost daily.

It may be an intellectual strength if you can use multiple perspectives to refine the way you understand things. Although you're right, it does make me feel retarded and hopelessly lost more often than the former.

 

[final-dimension]

Well Mr. F. Dimension, you're bound to frustrate yourself if you're going to base your sense of identity and self worth on the finality and correctness of your conclusions. I don't think it would be wise to try to, either.

I do just what you're talking about, and it is quite confusing. I don't even really try to set strict rules for myself because I see that my dedication and agreement with them changes almost daily.

It may be an intellectual strength if you can use multiple perspectives to refine the way you understand things. Although you're right, it does make me feel retarded and hopelessly lost more often than the former.

I am so relieved that I am not alone in this,but it really makes me feel lost and so weird.Everyone I have met in my life thinks I am weird.Once my friend told me "the more I get to know you the more I think you are weird".Sometimes I don't notice people around me or even when they talk to me when I am thinking or doing something.I forget things my mind is always somewhere else and I have two different personalities *the childish and hyper one and this personality annoys me and then there is the very serious one which makes me feel depressed*.I don't know what to do about it.

 

[Moocow]

I am so relieved that I am not alone in this,but it really makes me feel lost and so weird.Everyone I have met in my life thinks I am weird.Once my friend told me "the more I get to know you the more I think you are weird".Sometimes I don't notice people around me or even when they talk to me when I am thinking or doing something.I forget things my mind is always somewhere else and I have two different personalities *the childish and hyper one and this personality annoys me and then there is the very serious one which makes me feel depressed*.I don't know what to do about it.

I find that the childish, hyper, slightly manic side offers optimism to the hopeless, anxious, and depressed side. I'll spend a period of time, anywhere from days to months, losing my motivation and kind of questioning everything about myself. It's always ended the same way though, with a burst of fearlessness and comedic optimism about anything and everything, as well as feelings of renewed curiosity and appreciation.
I've learned at this point to not even bother trying to commit to either pessimism or optimism, because evidently the strength with which I believe in either is situational and probably more reliant on my current state of health.

I suggest when your perspective is flipping a lot you just let it do whatever it will, but try to remain patient and cautious. It's a good time to learn new things.
Many people find me pretty damn weird, but I'm somewhat convinced that people that make such judgments are just afraid of losing or questioning their own self confidence and intellectual consistency. Why else would they make a big deal of it?

 

[final-dimension]

I find that the childish, hyper, slightly manic side offers optimism to the hopeless, anxious, and depressed side. I'll spend a period of time, anywhere from days to months, losing my motivation and kind of questioning everything about myself. It's always ended the same way though, with a burst of fearlessness and comedic optimism about anything and everything, as well as feelings of renewed curiosity and appreciation.
I've learned at this point to not even bother trying to commit to either pessimism or optimism, because evidently the strength with which I believe in either is situational and probably more reliant on my current state of health.

I suggest when your perspective is flipping a lot you just let it do whatever it will, but try to remain patient. Many people find me pretty damn weird, but I'm somewhat convinced that people who make such judgments are just afraid of losing or questioning their own self confidence and intellectual consistency.

Why else would they make a big deal of it?

Well good point technically we are all weird right?

 

[Moocow]

Well good point technically we are all weird right?

I'd take weird over the same old bullshit any day.

Except for people that deliberately try to appear weird. That's just more of the same old bullshit.