INTPf Mafia Game #3: SIGNUPS

[Sinny91]

OMG YES PLEASE, MY LUCKY NUMBER IS 8!

Still open.

Ha, mine too.

You were on 8, I robbed your spot.

 

[redbaron]

MMMMOOOOAAARRRR!!!

 

[Sinny91]

I want Kuu, Greyman and/or Tberg to play.

 

[PmjPmj]

Is anyone PMing these people?

If not, why not? TOW THE LINE, DAMNIT.

 

[Sinny91]

Is anyone PMing these people?

If not, why not? TOW THE LINE, DAMNIT.

They are all online, - well, were.

 

[Reluctantly]

INVITE SATAN TO JOIN US

 

[PmjPmj]

CUTHULU INBOUND.

 

[Jennywocky]

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

 

[Rook]

Bubble trouble bunny rabbit tummy rumble crazy daisy gummy rubble
Bubble trouble bunny rabbit tummy rumble crazy daisy gummy rubble
Bubble trouble bunny rabbit tummy rumble crazy daisy gummy rubble

 

[Shapelog]

Ha, mine too.

You were on 8, I robbed your spot.

Wow

Spoiler

 

[PmjPmj]

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

Bah, I knew I had the spelling wrong.

I used to piss my INTP colleague off (who was / is obsessed with Lovecraft) by pronouncing it "Choo-choo-loo", adding the subtitle "Shadow over Bournemouth", because I'm a terrible person.

(Not really - I'm very nice).

 

[Jennywocky]

Bah, I knew I had the spelling wrong.

I used to piss my INTP colleague off (who was / is obsessed with Lovecraft) by pronouncing it "Choo-choo-loo", adding the subtitle "Shadow over Bournemouth", because I'm a terrible person.

(Not really - I'm very nice).

Better be careful -- if you're too nice, Cthulhu won't eat you first.

Bubble trouble bunny rabbit tummy rumble crazy daisy gummy rubble
Bubble trouble bunny rabbit tummy rumble crazy daisy gummy rubble
Bubble trouble bunny rabbit tummy rumble crazy daisy gummy rubble

Not sure what the hell that summons, but i'm not staying around to find out

Spoiler

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[QuickTwist]

Silina But now that you have said this and seeing as most people also expect this, wouldn't something grand be more surprising?

The real question is if they would expect the surprising thing and then go for the mundane.

#WIFOM

 

[Shapelog]

The real question is if they would expect the surprising thing and then go for the mundane.

#WIFOM

No,

The real question is, is why are you still debating over it, after he already A)made the post, and B) is at 5006?

Obv scum team/buddies.

Double bus time.

VOTE:QuickTwist & Sete/staina/Other guy/girl

Now to take the most paranoid player, the most townread player, and Me to Lylo, and precede to AFK till 1 hour left, and casually talk my way out of the lynch on me and win the game.

 

[QuickTwist]

No,

The real question is, is why are you still debating over it, after he already A)made the post, and B) is at 5006?

Obv scum team/buddies.

Double bus time.

VOTE:QuickTwist & Sete/staina/Other guy/girl

Now to take the most paranoid player, the most townread player, and Me to Lylo, and precede to AFK till 1 hour left, and casually talk my way out of the lynch on me and win the game.

I am totally thrown off my game because of this.

 

[Shapelog]

I mean Really,

Anyone not voting AnimeKitty is a faggot.

Make INTPforum great again! Vote [1] AnimeKitty!

This is his 5000th post you two are trying to debate about. It is both Mundane and Grand. Congrats! This is the one time in life, where both sides truly win! Now shake hands, and let me run over ya in my bus.

 

[QuickTwist]

I mean Really,

This is his 5000th post you two are trying to debate about. It is both Mundane and Grand. Congrats! This is the one time in life, where both sides truly win! Now shake hands, and let me run over ya in my bus.

Are you telling me you're a creepy man who drives a bus?

 

[Shapelog]

Are you telling me you're a creepy man who drives a bus?

*Leans forward in chair.*

Drive a bus? Maybe, Maybe.
But Creepy?

*Takes Glasses off*

Boy, If I was Creepy, Obama would be whi....
Boy, If I was Creepy, England would have leav.....
Boy, If I was Creepy, I would eat cheesecake, with pubic hairs on it.

*Stands up, and starts walking around*

And I can assure you, I do not eat Cheesecake with pubic hairs on it. Therefore, I am not creepy. Now you look here,*points finger at QT*, You can waste my and your's time, debating If I or if I don't eat Cheesecake with pubic hair on it, but I only know the truth. This, This fact, This Knowledge, *smiles intensely, while pointing to my brain", This KNOWLEDGE, is power. And Only I, I, Alone can fully understand it. Fully Use It! Design it! BUILD it! Fully..Fully become power.

*Sets back into Chair, rubs face*

So, why don't you shake the other person's hand, and bring me a pack of skittles, a cup of coffee, and a fully working chainsaw. I need to go take care of some business.

 

[redbaron]

I've added a couple more possibilities for power roles. Town Watcher, Mafia Ninja and Mafia Jack of all Trades with 1-shot Ninja, Strongman, Roleblock are now possible :^)

 

[Yellow]

I want Blarruan, Fukyo, Melkor, and/or Absurdity to play.

 

[redbaron]

Oh and to answer your question Yellow, I'm working out the setup now and there'll be a minimum of 6 Vanilla Town.

 

[QuickTwist]

This is why we need smaller games here... for the time being.

 

[redbaron]

I can do 9 players and put 2 in replacement queue I guess? :'(

Or two more people could just join.

 

[Yellow]

I think it's time to employ peer pressure.

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[QuickTwist]

I can do 9 players and put 2 in replacement queue I guess? :'(

Or two more people could just join.

I suppose I can sit out if you want to go the 9 player route, but I prolly won't be replacing in.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Since you have a shortage of players I suppose I can join.

I didn't want to because that could discourage Urakro but he is nowhere to be seen and I want to complete at least one game to see what it's like.
/in

 

[QuickTwist]

I can do 9 players and put 2 in replacement queue I guess? :'(

Or two more people could just join.

You should start thinking about PMing people to see if they will play.

 

[redbaron]

Yay Blarraun!

Just gotta remember that the game is pretty much all about making wild accusations and seeing what can stick. It's the only way Vanilla Town can play the game, so it's best to just view it as a role-playing sort of process and not be offended.

That said I did put a rule against below-the-belt stuff and I'll warn people if I think they're getting too extreme. Mafia games generally do get pretty heated but it's all in good fun.

ONE MOAR!

 

[Sinny91]

Ika?

 

[QuickTwist]

Sure, I'll make you a mod of gaming.

Is this going to be an ongoing thing - to make the host a mod for the time being?

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Is this going to be an ongoing thing - to make the host a mod for the time being?

No. Ideally I'd want to keep 1 or 2 mods for mafia games. RB gets to be a mod for now based on his veteran status and with the expectation that he will participate or host many of the games so he can help out in them.

It's needless repetitive work to manage the mod roles all the time as the admins aren't always active to make it possible, RB won't lose the mod status unless he goes inactive for a few months.
In the future Hadoblado might decide he wants to juggle the temp mod status to hosts, but I can't guarantee any of us will have time for that.

I want to wait and see how active you folk are. So far there's been 2 games and we're barely starting a 3rd one. It might be that there won't be more than one game running simultaneously or it might be that there won't be any or you'll switch to tabletop rpg or other pbf.
So far there's no need to plan ahead and it's best to monitor the overall demand to adjust mods based on that.

 

[Hadoblado]

My observations so far are mixed.

On one hand, we've got people who have been genuinely upset while playing the game. Several have vowed to me that it's simply not within their sphere of interests and they will not be playing again. This doesn't speak well of the game and its place here.

On the other hand, several of those people have actually chosen to play again, or at least expressed continued interest. We've also had three members join the forum specifically because of forum mafia (though only spacedog has made any posts that weren't mafia related). We've also got a few members infected enough to go and try their hand off-site between games.

To me it seems like it's not unrealistic to expect continued mafia activity, though it's not a certainty. I'm not sure if we'll ever have multiple games going on at the same time considering we struggle to get a 13 player game running atm.

 

[Reluctantly]

I didn't want to because that could discourage Urakro but he is nowhere to be seen and I want to complete at least one game to see what it's like.

The last thing Urakro said last game was asking me not to make him defend himself like I did Hado. He used a at the end. So I think he was disgusted or something, maybe by me, I don't know. Don't think he's coming back for this, maybe not even the forum. I think the fun was gone for him at that point.

Sooooo ehhh,,, yeah.

 

[QuickTwist]

No. Ideally I'd want to keep 1 or 2 mods for mafia games. RB gets to be a mod for now based on his veteran status and with the expectation that he will participate or host many of the games so he can help out in them.

It's needless repetitive work to manage the mod roles all the time as the admins aren't always active to make it possible, RB won't lose the mod status unless he goes inactive for a few months.
In the future Hadoblado might decide he wants to juggle the temp mod status to hosts, but I can't guarantee any of us will have time for that.

I want to wait and see how active you folk are. So far there's been 2 games and we're barely starting a 3rd one. It might be that there won't be more than one game running simultaneously or it might be that there won't be any or you'll switch to tabletop rpg or other pbf.
So far there's no need to plan ahead and it's best to monitor the overall demand to adjust mods based on that.

I can see wanting to make rb a mod, but he doesn't really know much about mafia..

If the goal is to get someone to be a mod for the purpose of mafia, I feel I am a decent choice, honestly. Nothing against RB, but he doesn't know mafia theory and as such wouldn't know what's needed in shaping what mafia on this site would be ideal.

I might not be the most ideal choice as a mod in general, but I have actually played on 10 different sites, and have connections to people who I can ask advice from within the Mafia community.

But its whatevs, I get you want to appoint someone into modhood who you feel is a good choice as a mod overall.

 

[PmjPmj]

I've just sent an email to my best mate (I believe his name on here is Jaffa, or Jaffster). He's a busy guy, but I think his interest may be piqued because he likes heated discussions etc.

(He's a pro confirmed INTP btw).

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

I can see wanting to make rb a mod, but he doesn't really know much about mafia..

If the goal is to get someone to be a mod for the purpose of mafia, I feel I am a decent choice, honestly. Nothing against RB, but he doesn't know mafia theory and as such wouldn't know what's needed in shaping what mafia on this site would be ideal.

I think you are jumping the gun right now.

I don't think experience is at the issue here, unless you want to replace him as a host. It's enough that he wanted to be the next host and he could use mod tools for that.

So as I said, questioning his experience is irrelevant to the decision I made but I'll answer this part anyway.
I know RB to be a quick learner, he used to be a newcomer to Pathfinder (tabletob rpg) and he was able to learn all the rules and required information to start giving advice and supporting other players with the mechanics after a month. I don't think his inexperience is a problem.

As a mod he's able to edit posts and manage threads, this aids in housekeeping and cleaning the timeline, he can merge multiple posts into one or make announcements more visible so it's handy for a host.

I think you would be a good choice as well so I don't say we won't make you a rpg subforum mod when it's your turn to host again.


On another note, this isn't a gaming forum and we don't want to make specific efforts to invite audiences interested purely in this topic. If mafia and other games can liven this place up then it's awesome, it's a great thing for interaction and making connections. You can play what you like here, but remember that we cater to a variety of interests.

Just gotta remember that the game is pretty much all about making wild accusations and seeing what can stick. It's the only way Vanilla Town can play the game, so it's best to just view it as a role-playing sort of process and not be offended.

I know, the thing with Urakro was that I was/am very convinced he had a personal crunch with me and I remembered recently that he used to have similar meltdowns in the chatbox so I left due to reasons unrelated to the game.

 

[ika]

what i think it should be is that there is one person who has the mod powers (im fine with barron) and anyone who wants to host can have barron be a backup/cohost to the main to edit and fix stuff, i know how much work it is to constantly refix the ACP with permissions.

im talking to silverwolf about potentialy joining the games here but she is not sure yet. she might make one and observe the game.

that being said if we need another person and its not filled by monday ill do it

 

[ika]

to add in if barron would like to play we can have a second mod who can rotate hosting, but i think it should belong to vetran members, knowing mafia does not mean anythign in general. it can help with designing a setup but it does not need mod powers to host

 

[The Gopher]

Oooooh... *won't start anything*

Yeah unfortunately QT doesn't have enough posts to be considered a veteran. Says 20 to 21.

Although technically I'm around 18 thousand and probably win the forum time wasting award... Not something I'm proud of but hey what good would it be if I didn't bring it up every now and again.

 

[QuickTwist]

I think you are jumping the gun right now.

I don't think experience is at the issue here, unless you want to replace him as a host.

K

It's enough that he wanted to be the next host and he could use mod tools for that.

K

So as I said, questioning his experience is irrelevant to the decision

K

but I'll answer this part anyway.
I know RB to be a quick learner, he used to be a newcomer to Pathfinder (tabletob rpg) and he was able to learn all the rules and required information to start giving advice and supporting other players with the mechanics after a month. I don't think his inexperience is a problem.

K, so you think D&D is the same thing as Mafia.

As a mod he's able to edit posts and manage threads, this aids in housekeeping and cleaning the timeline, he can merge multiple posts into one or make announcements more visible so it's handy for a host.

I was already aware of this, but thanks.

I think you would be a good choice as well so I don't say we won't make you a rpg subforum mod when it's your turn to host again.

I'm not interested in D&D.

On another note, this isn't a gaming forum and we don't want to make specific efforts to invite audiences interested purely in this topic. If mafia and other games can liven this place up then it's awesome, it's a great thing for interaction and making connections. You can play what you like here, but remember that we cater to a variety of interests.

Variety of games in this case.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Yeah unfortunately QT doesn't have enough posts to be considered a veteran.

To be fair, veteran in this case is my lazy generalisation that encompasses a wide range of factors that should prove my point instead of me having to diligently lay them out in order to make a convincing argument.

I wanted to use "veterancy" but I realised it's not a word, it's just from games.

K, so you think D&D is the same thing as Mafia.
I was already aware of this, but thanks.
I'm not interested in D&D.
Variety of games in this case.

Yeah, note that in my response I allowed myself to be very generic and cover a wider range of topics to answer any potential questions you and others might've had. So some/most of what I was saying wasn't addressing you in specific.

No I don't think tabletop rpg's are like mafia. They usually are far more complex systems, but have a similar interpersonal complexity.

what i think it should be is that there is one person who has the mod powers (im fine with barron) and anyone who wants to host can have barron be a backup/cohost to the main to edit and fix stuff, i know how much work it is to constantly refix the ACP with permissions.

im talking to silverwolf about potentialy joining the games here but she is not sure yet. she might make one and observe the game.

that being said if we need another person and its not filled by monday ill do it

to add in if barron would like to play we can have a second mod who can rotate hosting, but i think it should belong to vetran members, knowing mafia does not mean anythign in general. it can help with designing a setup but it does not need mod powers to host

Thanks for the input, it was helpful.

 

[Reluctantly]

 

[QuickTwist]

No I don't think tabletop rpg's are like mafia. They usually are far more complex systems, but have a similar interpersonal complexity.

[Edit]

Different kind of complexity. Reading people via text vs. understanding a complex system already in place. Its the difference between a psychologist and a physicist.

Scratch that. I can't pretend to know what its like to pretend you are a character on a battlefield. I think Mafia is more about picking up logical tells and inconsistencies in peoples personal characterized by guilt more than RPG.

 

[ika]

[Edit]

Different kind of complexity. Reading people via text vs. understanding a complex system already in place. Its the difference between a psychologist and a physicist.

Scratch that. I can't pretend to know what its like to pretend you are a character on a battlefield. I think Mafia is more about picking up logical tells and inconsistencies in peoples personal characterized by guilt more than RPG.

mafia is literally rpg at the same time, you are pretending to be a character in a game tryin to catch the bad guys.

rpg does not automatically mean battlefield. i mean prtend you are now cop or doc, you are beocming that character

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

[Edit]

Different kind of complexity. Reading people via text vs. understanding a complex system already in place. Its the difference between a psychologist and a physicist.

Scratch that. I can't pretend to know what its like to pretend you are a character on a battlefield. I think Mafia is more about picking up logical tells and inconsistencies in peoples personal characterized by guilt more than RPG.

A rpg system can be set up to effectively play out like a mafia game. There are countless possible scenarios, some of them may include covert incomplete information villain chasing where the opposing team of players is involved. It's not done often because it's rare to have so many players available at one time and most of the time people tend to play two separate games or prefer to be one team. There are problems with information control and communication but it's doable.

I'd say that mafia is a rpg storytelling system allowing more people to play together, usual rpg's tend to have teams of 3-6. It has predefined roles, is easier to explain and get into. It definitely has advantages over standard rpg's in both accessibility and multiplayer capacity.

That is not to say it is simpler or easier as a whole. In both cases the emergent complexity of layered social scenarios and dependencies make such games quite confusing to navigate or excel at.

 

[QuickTwist]

A rpg system can be set up to effectively play out like a mafia game. There are countless possible scenarios, some of them may include covert incomplete information villain chasing where the opposing team of players is involved. It's not done often because it's rare to have so many players available at one time and most of the time people tend to play two separate games or prefer to be one team. There are problems with information control and communication but it's doable.

I'd say that mafia is a rpg storytelling system allowing more people to play together, usual rpg's tend to have teams of 3-6. It has predefined roles, is easier to explain and get into. It definitely has advantages over standard rpg's in both accessibility and multiplayer capacity.

That is not to say it is simpler or easier as a whole. In both cases the emergent complexity of layered social scenarios and dependencies make such games quite confusing to navigate or excel at.

I can't speak for others, but there is NO role play when I play mafia.. I am strictly playing to my win con.. I am not playing a part in a play or acting in character, that is not a concern at all to me in a Mafia game. There are games where players have quirks they have to act out, but I steer clear of those games based on principle. I consider Mafia a mind game for me - to see if I can outwit my opponent through skill using methods that dictate goals that are strictly concurrent with my win con.

IDK if this is part of RPGs or not, never been one for pretend myself. My thoughts are unrealistic enough without me acting out fantasy. I just feel unnatural playing pretend so explicitly. I suppose that makes me a square.. oh well.

 

[Reluctantly]

ehh, that's like saying you won't act differently knowing that you're mafia. It doesn't even make sense because you have to be duplicitous to some degree. Course, maybe you mean you don't try to role-play, but I don't see how you can completely avoid it either.

 

[Jennywocky]

I'm kind of confused what people are even arguing about anymore, or what distinctions are being made or merged.

I've played both (and have played RPGs for about 30-35 years now). There are basically two ways to approach RPGs, kind of similar to MMORPG server types -- you can play mechanics (where you design your character stat/gear-wise to be the most effective at your task as possible) or you focus on roleplay which means developing a persona as if you were an actor in a play versus being yourself. MMORPGS actually have servers called "roleplay" servers where the focus is not on game mechanics but really on acting out another character and creating your own stories with other players.

Having played mafia, I guess you can develop a "persona" but it's not at all the kind of persona you are playing in an RPG. In mafia, if you are scum, you're essentially just trying to present yourself in such a way as to be misread by other players; and the whole point is to play to your win condition. you're not really creating a new "character" (as an actor would create a character in a movie, for example, where the goal is simply to be another person), you are just tweaking your own self in such ways as to deceive others.

To contrast, I joked with Baron some time prior to the second game starting how I was going to pretend to be an "old lady" or a "little girl" if I ever played mafia, and he told me that if I did that, I'd get lynched so fast my head would spin. THAT would have been like an RPG persona. But that's not the kind of alternate self you are creating in Mafia; you are not trying to develop and act out a person different from who you are like you would be to create a story with new characters, you are just playing you but lying / obfuscating your intentions in order to play to your win condition, it's not an artistic thing as its focus, it is a strategic thing, and it's just another version of yourself.

tldr - it looks like people are defining persona differently.

 

[redbaron]

I asked for mod so I could keep the mafia thread tidy by editing OP with needed information as opposed to making 27 posts scattered throughout the thread and sending people on a treasure hunt to get basic information on the game.

Nothing to do with mafia theory or whatever.

 

[Hadoblado]

lol what a travesty.

I roleplay in mafia. Kind of. What I end up as is an expression of myself, but it's a deliberate isolation of particular elements. My last couple games have been cuntish, and admittedly, that's the flow I'm most comfortable with. But I've played games where I was deliberately 2nice4u and easily offended. I think about what elements I want to experiment with in my next game before roles are called, so it's always a bit of an act.

No I don't think tabletop rpg's are like mafia. They usually are far more complex systems, but have a similar interpersonal complexity.

I don't know which RPG's Blar has been playing, since mafia is on a whole different level of interpersonal complexity IMO. In RPGs you tend to work together to make a story even when you're on different sides. Real interpersonal dynamics are often circumvented by stats and skills (make a diplomacy role), and the person you convince is not actually being convinced most of the time. In mafia, you tear each other apart until a story emerges (just like IRL ), and people are genuinely pushing agendas and appraising one another. I really enjoy RPGs, but I've never played one that compared to mafia on an interpersonal level.

I'd be interested to see which systems you've been using.

Not that it matters. We've got time until the game starts though, so may as well rage at each other about something :3