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This is a great read :):):). Extremely Clever. "Powers of ambiguity" YES! My employees at work get so upset when I utilize said powers wha ha ha ha.

Essentially what the Mr Hyde version of the INTP is like:

""Oh my God! This is awesome! I'm so excited! I can't wait! I feel like jumping and screaming and clapping my hands!" behaviour will guarantee you the front seat before INTp firing squad. It is taboo as INTps cannot tolerate enthusiasm and you will soon be punished for openly showing the excitement. If you like something - you should stay quiet, if you don't like something - you must hate it! No emotional attachments or commitments are permitted either.

INTps fear rules and adore them, because what's clear - they fear, unclear - they dear! Nevertheless, they stick to the rules and they demand the same from others. The rules that can be interpreted in many ways guarantee freedom. Ironically, INTps learn about their environment through studying of the limitations. If the rule states you can't say "knee" and INTp decides to respect and obey it they could get extremely annoyed with someone who decides to ignore it.

The rules for INTps often transform into rituals and they have no problems with rituals. Because of this INTps could get comfortable with routine, often mistyping themselves into J types, resulting in many of them thinking of themselves as INTjs. However the most common way is for INTps to type themselves into INTxs, with undecided preference for J or P.

INTps would not accept anything concrete and solid on principle. The more unshakable it seems the more challenging for INTp it appears. Irrefutable truth to them means death. If a sign "Take your hats off" is normally understood as a request to take headwear off, you may suddenly find yourself arguing with an INTp over what is considered a hat. Thanks God for dictionary! INTps respect it - it is printed and it is public. But beware of broad interpretations. A broad interpretation is INTp's ally; exact meaning is INTp's enema.

The arithmetic perhaps is the only discipline where INTps cannot use their powers of ambiguity. 2 + 2 = 4 will always remain true, although it is not inconceivable to assume that at some point an INTp was contemplating a different result. On the other hand, the very foundation of arithmetic was built upon few self evident axioms, and it is the self evident part of course that is very much INTp debatable.

In fact, INTps will debate for the sake of debate. The process becomes more important than the outcome. They often lose the point of a debate when they shift focus to other unrelated subjects in the process. When defeated, INTps can easily do a U turn on something they were arguing just seconds ago. They deserve respect for being able to accept the defeat and disrespect for never being truly committed in their views.

So what is it that makes them so meticulously scrutinising? Being natively intuitive, INTps are not quite able to swallow big chunks of information. They choke on it. Big theories of everything are spam to them and people who make them are instant opponents. The combination of words like "in general", "on principal", "on the whole", "in most cases", "as a general rule" are not friends to INTps, as they befriend "in particular" in particular. They do not like trends, as trends usually encompass more than one tendency, making the trend more "in general" than "in particular". The notion that there are 16 psychological types is also alien to INTps, because in their heads the 16 types could be further dissected into oblivion, thus making them even more "in particular" than "in general".

Finally, INTps have this very special relationship with Socionics. They are like plague, eating its very foundation. They are like ever growing tumour that turns once solid and sound principals into a formless jelly. Just like a bunch of angry termites on rampage, they feed on anything structural, bearing clarity and simplicity... by turning it to dust.

That's all folks, it's a dissection time! "

http://www.socionics.com/prof/intp2.htm

Oh shit!!! LMFAO at the bolded, underlined portion: the best!!!
 

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I really, really disagree with this summary. In no way are INTPs buzzkills of enthusiasm. Enthusiasm isn't something to be avoided, but moderated. I also don't like the deal about rules. It's just too specific of a description.
 
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I really, really disagree with this summary. In no way are INTPs buzzkills of enthusiasm. Enthusiasm isn't something to be avoided, but moderated. I also don't like the deal about rules. It's just too specific of a description.

Re: your reaction to the buzzkill thing: Do you even INTP bro?:storks:

Re: your reaction to the rules thing. Ironically, you are using INTP thoughts towards rule making and breaking to deconstruct the validity of the analysis of the INTP approach to rule making and breaking. Deliciously ironic.:)
 

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Just FYI DGH, INTp socionics is an MBTI INTJ. The INTj socionics is the one you want to read about for MBTI INTP descriptions. I misinterpreted that the first time too when I was in college...

I have my reservations about socionics...
 
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Just FYI DGH, INTp socionics is an MBTI INTJ. The INTj socionics is the one you want to read about for MBTI INTP descriptions. I misinterpreted that the first time too when I was in college...

I have my reservations about socionics...

Huh...I'm not understanding you here. Would you elaborate? What have I missed?

I did read the section on INTjs linked in the OP and it was spot on with what I know about INTJs per MBTI. Go here for the INTj link and a few others http://www.socionics.com/prof/uncovered.html

I don't see how the section on INTps I've quoted in the OP isn't spot on with everything I've read about INTPs per MBTI.
 

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Socionics typically uses the last letter to describe the primary.
Mbti uses it to describe the extroverted function.

So Socionics calls an MBTI INTP an INTj due to Ti primary.
Meanwhile in MBTI the P is denoting the extroverted prim/aux function, which is Ne, a perceiving function.

there are different flavors of socionics, though, just to confuse things further.
 

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Huh...I'm not understanding you here. Would you elaborate? What have I missed?

I did read the section on INTjs linked in the OP and it was spot on with what I know about INTJs per MBTI. Go here for the INTj link and a few others http://www.socionics.com/prof/uncovered.html

I don't see how the section on INTps I've quoted in the OP isn't spot on with everything I've read about INTPs per MBTI.

Hmm, perhaps -- maybe, just maybe -- this is evidence that profiles for MBTI/Socionics types are written to be so general that it's very easy to connect with a whole array of profiles depending on various circumstances and we should for fuck's sake stop treating it like it's an exact science that clearly labels, separates and defines people perfectly.

Just a thought.


spent a little time looking for a clip from an episode of QI where they read of a personality "analysis" of one of the participants but the point was that all of them thought it was them because it was so vaguely written (as are just about all type profiles). It's the same bullshit that makes people believe in horoscopes. Fuck me, pal.

Edit: I should probably contextualize this outburst. I'm drunk and I'm for some reason in the most cancerous MBTI facebook group which pisses me off with how they treat literally everything and also I'm just feeling emotional in general (both from the alcohol and the fact that I'm nearing the climax of this already emotional anime I've been watching). I won't delete or change the things I've said, because I stand by them. MBTI, Socionics and (in part) Jungian psychology are dumb. I do not respect them, their results, or the culture that's formed around them. I do, however, wish to make it clear that I in no way judge you folks for finding them important. Just as I hate these things, I understand the appeal they may hold for others.
 
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Hmm, perhaps -- maybe, just maybe -- this is evidence that profiles for MBTI/Socionics types are written to be so general that it's very easy to connect with a whole array of profiles depending on various circumstances and we should for fuck's sake stop treating it like it's an exact science that clearly labels, separates and defines people perfectly.

Just a thought.


spent a little time looking for a clip from an episode of QI where they read of a personality "analysis" of one of the participants but the point was that all of them thought it was them because it was so vaguely written (as are just about all type profiles). It's the same bullshit that makes people believe in horoscopes. Fuck me, pal.

Edit: I should probably contextualize this outburst. I'm drunk and I'm for some reason in the most cancerous MBTI facebook group which pisses me off with how they treat literally everything and also I'm just feeling emotional in general (both from the alcohol and the fact that I'm nearing the climax of this already emotional anime I've been watching). I won't delete or change the things I've said, because I stand by them. MBTI, Socionics and (in part) Jungian psychology are dumb. I do not respect them, their results, or the culture that's formed around them. I do, however, wish to make it clear that I in no way judge you folks for finding them important. Just as I hate these things, I understand the appeal they may hold for others.

:D
 

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Huh...I'm not understanding you here. Would you elaborate? What have I missed?

I did read the section on INTjs linked in the OP and it was spot on with what I know about INTJs per MBTI. Go here for the INTj link and a few others http://www.socionics.com/prof/uncovered.html

I don't see how the section on INTps I've quoted in the OP isn't spot on with everything I've read about INTPs per MBTI.

For some reason by bullshit alarm goes off every time I look at that website. Seems like they basically interpreted type dynamics in their own way and then bash MBTI for causing confusion.

Socionics
 

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In [other] words, you can't leave? We can't leave? MBTI and all the rest lack sufficient definiteness to form exits, and doing anything that isn't true to type is impossible?! That bolded underlined etc part now seems kinda terrifying.
 

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I'm an MBTI INTP and Socionics INTp , and this description sucks on both counts.

Don't ask my why, the two tests just read me differently.
I have a few J tendencies which are perhaps elaborated on in Socionics.
 
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In [other] words, you can't leave? We can't leave? MBTI and all the rest lack sufficient definiteness to form exits, and doing anything that isn't true to type is impossible?! That bolded underlined etc part now seems kinda terrifying.

Do keep in mind that the description in the OP is meant for "when an INTP" runs afoul of himself/ herself and the world. Its like the INTP Mr Hyde version of INTP Dr Jekyl.

Obviously the everyday INTP is not going to be putting their strengths to malicious uses and/or try and leverage their weaknesses.

When an INTP is having a meltdown or acting malevolently, I see the OP as aptly describing their thoughts and resulting behavior.
 

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Yes, something I was expecting ...
DrGH is NiTe type...
His postings on bloody pictures was very indicative of puerile and childish valued Se. My INFJ/INFp/IEI sister is also a bit like that. She likes gore stuff.
 
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