INTP Subtypes Poll

[Lordran Nights]

The Socionics site I link to here has two INTP (INTj) subtype descriptions; the logical subtype and the intuitive subtype. I was wondering what the spread was amongst the forum membership.

http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=LII_subtypes

I think there is some truth in this 2-way split. I see myself more in the intuitive subtype description and my current boss INTP is logical subtype.

Quick description of the Logical Subtype:

"The logical subtype is usually calm, serious and self-contained. Often quite categorical and uncompromising in his judgments, not leaving any room for appeals. When the topic of conversation does not interest him, he is silent and austere, looks at his partners with gravity. If someone behaves disdainfully, he can put them in their place. Able to clearly and laconically, without superfluous emotions, explain his thoughts. Does not like lengthy discussions and discourse. Spend lots of time thinking and reflecting: analyzing and comparing various phenomena, figures and facts. Makes an impression of a strong-willed person. His lips are often densely compressed, speech precise and abrupt, voice lacks in varying intonations. Balanced, even, correct, unemotional. However, his otherwise frozen facial expression sometimes reflects his internal emotions in unexpected and impulsive movements of muscles."

And the Intuitive Subtype:

"The intuitive subtype appears soft even a bit diffident in communication. In conversation, he is restrained, attentive, attempts to come into good favor of his partner by giving advice and impressing him or her with his knowledge and conclusions. In such cases, his serious demeanor and gaze soften, goodwill permeates his voice. Not always absolute and categorical in his statements, but obstinate and uncompromising in his actions. May keep silent and refrain from the discussion, but won't change his opinion. His usually imperceptible emotions become visible during moments of extreme nervous pressure within intonations of his voice and impulsive gestures. Gait is calm and synchronous. Pose appears a bit restrained, especially in the shoulders which may be stooped. His movements are somewhat unsure and dilatory. Gestures are stingy and constrained, occasionally unconsciously impulsive and poorly coordinated."

The link provides more in-depth descriptions but I will say that I recognise myself in both of the descriptions to an extent but I identify more with the intuitive subtype, especially in the short "appearance" sections I've pasted.

There is a guy in IT upstairs and it's like the same guy as me. I think I've got my eye in for tall, thin, pale, vacant, nervous looking people with poor posture. Two jobs ago I worked 10 yards away from a guy who was definitely an intuitive INTP (actually the guitarist from the now defunct band Geneva). He didn't want to be friends. I think we must gravitate away from each other.
My new boss is definitely Logical subtype. He talks at length as a rule in a measured way. Looks at his communication partners with gravity! Business style clothing. Other similarities. But I know this from knowing him over a long period of time.
It's got me thinking that I'm more likely to spot the Intuitive subtype INTPs more readily than the logical subtype because I use myself as the archetype, and my conception of myself is clearest. I don't really have a definite conception of the logical subtype because I only have one example. And logical subtypes may be missing intuitive subtypes for the same reason.

But there are other theories out there for instance the DNCH suubtype theory by Victor Gulenko (my hero!) says there are 4 initial subtypes but the more INTPs that rock up produce more and more splits and we diversify ad infinitum.

But the poll is which of the two INTP subtypes are you; Logical or Intuitive? Obviously INTPs only please.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Some things from the first one and some from the second. I would slightly lean towards intuitive as I am not that socially/emotionally robotic.

Logical:
true:

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-Often quite categorical and uncompromising in his judgments
-When the topic of conversation does not interest him, he is silent and austere, looks at his partners with gravity.(depends on circumstances and mood/etc.)
-If someone behaves disdainfully, he can put them in their place.
-Able to clearly and laconically, without superfluous emotions, explain his thoughts.
-Makes an impression of a strong-willed person.
-Likes to generalize particulars and discrete facts.
-Distrustful of new ideas until he can check them for himself; thereupon, he can become their staunch supporter and proponent.
-Realistic about evaluating the prospects, potential, and opportunities of any project.
-In the interests of his work can ignore his convenience and comfort.
-Very appreciative of fairness and reasonable order.
-Usually he is polite, proper, and serious.
-Fairly stable in his feelings and affections.
-Does not like uninvited guests and unexpected phone calls.
-Unlikely to take initiative with unfamiliar people.
- If the topic is of no interest to him, he tries to avoid the conversation to not waste his time.
-Can make himself do a job that is uninteresting but required.
-He believes that if a person has made a choice, then he or she is fully accountable for this decision.
-Poorly tolerates being ordered around. Coolly responds to any external strong-willed pressuring.
-Can do with a minimum of things, does not seek comfort, and dislikes excess.
-Attentive to his close ones, but reluctantly takes care of domestic problems.

false:

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-Does not like lengthy discussions and discourse.
-Spend lots of time thinking and reflecting: analyzing and comparing various phenomena, figures and facts.
-His lips are often densely compressed, speech precise and abrupt, voice lacks in varying intonations.
-Balanced, even, correct, unemotional.
-However, his otherwise frozen facial expression sometimes reflects his internal emotions in unexpected and impulsive movements of muscles.
-Puts business above personal interests and relationships.
-Very straightforward in his behavior, lacks in flexibility and diplomacy in his relations.
-Hides his impressionability under the mask of austerity.
-Does not seek to win over the sympathies of others.

Intuitive:
true:

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-In conversation, he is restrained, attentive, attempts to come into good favor of his partner by giving advice and impressing him or her with his knowledge and conclusions.
-In such cases, his serious demeanor and gaze soften, goodwill permeates his voice.
-Not always absolute and categorical in his statements, but obstinate and uncompromising in his actions.
-Gait is calm and synchronous.
-Likes to analyze various phenomena and processes. Inclined towards anything that is new and unusual, especially if it falls into the sphere of his interests.
-Often has a rich imagination and tries to introduce elements of creativity into his work. Has a good feel for the prospects of new ideas and initiatives.
-Willingly develops and works out new ideas for practical application. Able to analyze specific topics in great depth, but also shows an interest in the adjacent fields.(depends on circumstances and mood/etc.)
-Stable in his work performance, but quickly grows tired of routine and is in need of fresh impressions and changes.
-Excitable in disputes; can inspire others with some idea. Becomes uncompromising in debates when his principles are concerned, but tries to develop in himself tolerance for other people's weaknesses and for differing points of view.
-Usually knows how to hear out his conversation partner and to encourage his initiative in useful direction. Evaluates abilities of others and finds them a proper application.
-Reserved, amiable to an extent, polite, and even-tempered, but rarely becomes very close with anyone, for he easily tires of social interaction.
- If he is interested in a person, he is able to come into his or her good favor by establishing intellectual contact and intriguing with ideas and new suggestions. Quite private, does not like discussing his personal life and does not allow his feelings to take precedence over the interests of business or personal principles.
-Although in relation with others he is reserved and distrustful, he is inclined to reciprocate the feelings of another person and show attention to his or her problems.
- But at the slightest infringement of his independence, he retreats into himself, stubbornly defending his principles up to a break up of relations. Allows himself to get directed only by those who can persuade gently and not too aggressively. (kuudere/tsundere, that's me )
-Enemy of the administrative pressuring and control; considers it obstructive to the development of a person's potential.
-Convinced that the main thing in work is not sense of duty but interest in the project. Strives for independence.
-Sometimes he is too categorical in his judgments and intolerant of different points of view.
-Restrained in the expression of his feelings, but when he is in a good mood can liven up the conversation with his humor.
-Yielding and compliant in matters of everyday life.If he cannot completely avoid household chores and other mundane tasks, he will try to postpone them.
-Dislikes bureaucracy, having to petition various departments and to prepare documents.
-Shows inertness in such matters even if he sees that his project is suffering. Tries to rely on the help of others in such cases.

false:

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-Pose appears a bit restrained, especially in the shoulders which may be stooped. His movements are somewhat unsure and dilatory. Gestures are stingy and constrained, occasionally unconsciously impulsive and poorly coordinated.
- He reviews and changes his former views with much difficulty and sometimes exhibits senseless obstinacy.
-Due to high self-esteem and a developed sense of dignity, it can be difficult for him to admit to being wrong.
-Skeptical and distrustful, but does not show this.
-Does not always take care of his health, but understands its importance. In treatment of illness lacks in consistency and follow-through. Tries to keep up with latest tastes and prevailing styles, to have a presentable appearance.

 

[QuickTwist]

If this is a real thing and not just a misunderstanding of type then Logical fits me to a T. I would identify myself more as the logical type than any other psyche categorization.

 

[Trebuchet]

Neither one really fits me. Intuitive fits a tiny bit better. But both are pretty negative and have some aspects that are completely wrong.

Perhaps these describe immature INTPs? I think they both fit me better when I was in high school than either one does now.

 

[Anktark]

Hmm, I think I am a bit more intuitive than logical from this perspective. Both types seem cool though.

 

[Ex-User (8886)]

http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=ILI_subtypes

I am ILI intuitive, but I am changing to be more logical recently.

 

[HDINTP]

I think I have some from both but am more towards Logical

 

[Base groove]

http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=ILI_subtypes

I am ILI intuitive, but I am changing to be more logical recently.

I believe I am ILI Logical subtype.

 

[JimJambones]

The intuitive subtype seems to fit me a little better. I would enjoy drinking with a group of them.