intp shadow functions

[ijustprotectedmyidentity]

are shadow functions real?
im sorry but is TI FE SI SE real?
like so your saying estp is SE which means looks at surronding and we are TI which is thinking to ourselves? wtf iS TE OR NI my father is intj and how can i disect his reasoning and see for my own self the NI AT WORK wtf is this dominant cognitive functions

anyway back to the real question

intp shadow function is entj

which means when intp is stress he turns entj

i think that seriosly happens to me. or it could be confirmation bias. but one day i was thinking that intp should be entj because

Extro V intro = cmon!!! E is better than I!! i mean would you rather gather energy from the environemnt? wtf how sick is that

P v J = J is better than P !!!! i want to fucking get my shit done end of discussion

WHY AN INTP TURNS ENTJ WHEN STRESSED OUT

intp's like fuck im a loner and havnet accomplished shit
ENTj's like man my company is sucking !!!!

so they are both stress hence

intp is like im going to start controlling people and start planning and start self improving = i think when intp wants to self improve he goes entj. so stress can equal self improvement

entj is like my company is failing or im just stress for whatever reason.

so he uses ti ne si fe

im sorry for my ignorance regarding mbti . im no mbti scholar

 

[shoeless]

i have no idea what you just said. but i get the impression you have a serious misunderstanding of how the shadow functions work.

 

[Words]

P v J = J is better than P !!!! i want to fucking get my shit done end of discussion

I agree with this but Introversion generally creates the more developed idea.

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In connection to the Cognitive Functions, you should look for info. first. There's one here in this forum. Shadow Functions, I am also baffled with.

 

[ckm]

Shadow function = inferior function.

What you're talking about is the unconscious functions.

You make a terrible amount of assumptions in the OP. If your theory of "switching" to ENTJ when stressed is true, then you are very stressed.

 

[BigApplePi]

are shadow functions real?
im sorry but is TI FE SI SE real?
like so your saying estp is SE which means looks at surronding and we are TI which is thinking to ourselves? wtf iS TE OR NI my father is intj and how can i disect his reasoning and see for my own self the NI AT WORK wtf is this dominant cognitive functions

anyway back to the real question

intp shadow function is entj

which means when intp is stress he turns entj

i think that seriosly happens to me. or it could be confirmation bias. but one day i was thinking that intp should be entj because

Extro V intro = cmon!!! E is better than I!! i mean would you rather gather energy from the environemnt? wtf how sick is that

P v J = J is better than P !!!! i want to fucking get my shit done end of discussion

WHY AN INTP TURNS ENTJ WHEN STRESSED OUT

intp's like fuck im a loner and havnet accomplished shit
ENTj's like man my company is sucking !!!!

so they are both stress hence

intp is like im going to start controlling people and start planning and start self improving = i think when intp wants to self improve he goes entj. so stress can equal self improvement

entj is like my company is failing or im just stress for whatever reason.

so he uses ti ne si fe

im sorry for my ignorance regarding mbti . im no mbti scholar

Good questions I've puzzled about and failed to grasp the answers if given. I don't know if this is correct, but my understanding is according to one theory the shadow functions are inaccessible or repulsed. For example if the INTP is TiNeSiFe, then where is Te, Fi, Se, and Fi?

Answer: If you believe you see shadows functions exhibited, they are not, but really are one of Ti, Ne, Si or Fe, typically Fe. Check it out against this.

 

[Words]

What I really want answer is how a significant number of INTP's have access to Fi, as well as INFP's having access to Ti. Both the moral compass and logic compass. "Is it right for me to do this, is it right for me to do that?" "Is that logical, is that reasonable?" Both exists in my mind.

"This seems logical, but does it conflict with my values?" "This is very sad, is it justifiable however?".

Internal value decision isn't exactly more fitting to Fe than Fi. The difference is that INFP's have a greater amount of care towards subjective emotion and less towards logical correction, as oppose to INTP's.---which is reasonable.

The problem I find in Ti is that it doesn't address why I should do things, EVEN if they are logical. Sure, hunger(for example) could a be a goal but further desire to succeed doesn't seem to exist in Ti alone. And correction is no "purpose in life". A "seeking of knowledge" perhaps but the individual is not an academic alone. Issues such as ideals must be addressed. What is Ji?

 

[Saeros]

Interestingly, ENTJ shadow processes are also the same as INTP primary processes, as well as INTP shadow processes being the same as ENTJ primary processes. Why do you think that is?

 

[Words]

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My friend, I don't believe that a transition from an INTP to ENTJ is possible. (If that is what you are thinking). Our natural inclination will likely be forever consisting of Ti Ne Si Fe. The promotion of Fe Si and it's effect towards Ti and Ne could spur a development outside of Ti and Ne but the definitions of Ti and Ne have strict boundaries to consider. Furthermore, have you ever seen a well-balanced person?

Also, take note that ENTJ's also have negatives and that true ideal is a balance of both.

 

[Latro]

The apparently contradictory combination of Ti and Fi in INTPs IMO is resolved by looking at values vs. principles.

Anyway, yeah, there's a lot of fail here. Calm down and then read a bit more thoroughly about functions in general.

 

[Words]

The apparently contradictory combination of Ti and Fi in INTPs IMO is resolved by looking at values vs. principles.

Will you elaborate? Values(judgment) is included within Feeling functions and so are principles. So when you say "look at values/principles", you say look at Fx.

 

[Latro]

Will you elaborate? Values(judgment) is included within Feeling functions and so are principles. So when you say "look at values/principles", you say look at Fx.

Principles are different from values even in MBTI terms, imo. You can say that you have a principle of honesty for logical reasons and stick to it. Similarly any logical system is dependent upon having some set of things which are treated as axioms, and principles can fit this description. I don't think values can quite fit that description.

 

[Words]

Principles are different from values even in MBTI terms, imo. You can say that you have a principle of honesty for logical reasons and stick to it. Similarly any logical system is dependent upon having some set of things which are treated as axioms, and principles can fit this description. I don't think values can quite fit that description.

I see. The base reason would still be a logical one. Yet, beyond logic, correction, honesty, and fairness, there are decisions that will not rely on said "principles". If one decision was correct, and another equally correct and that the only difference is a moral one, how is the decision judged? Where is the base it extracts it's own guideline to form the decision? It could come from Fe but Fi seems to serve the better explanation.

 

[Anthile]

90% of what has been said in this thread is completely wrong. All of this has been explained thoroughly in various threads and can easily be found by using the search function.
To make it short, it seems that a lot of people still think Ptolemaic when it comes to typology. Forget everything you know and read some books.

Also, I wouldn't consider myself to be a grammar nazi but the opening post is completely unacceptable. Please try harder next time.