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INTP Personality Development

Jchazard

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Firstly I'd like to share my types- INTP, 5w6, LII. I've become fascinated with personality type for a long time now. From MBTI, to Enneagram, to Socionics I feel I've attained a great amount of insight into myself and other people. So here I'd simply like to share my observations of how I've grown as an indivdual and hear stories about others also. As a kid, I grew up highlyyy introverted thinking. Never had more than one friend, read books constantly, toggling theories in my mind consistently and debating them with others. But as I entered into my preteen years I developed strong depression and social anxiety from noticing how different I had made my life compared to others. I began to study and observe interpersonal relations much like a type 5 enneagram would. What people liked and how I could be similar. Interestingly I did this by myself on the computer (just like an introvert no?) and became extremely avoidant and socially anxious (I assume I was developing Avoidant personality disorder).

It wasn't until my junior year in high school that I finally started coming out of my shell. Interestingly, this is probably due to my increasing anxiety (Disintegration of type 5 enneagram to type 7). I finally managed to get myself a friend (ENFP 7w8) through an akward incident where I finally got my second kiss. I had no understanding of social norms and from her I managed to attain a great deal of understanding as she took the time to befriend me and allowed me to ask the silliest of questions to understand people. It is also from her I developed my extraverted intuition as it was her predominant trait. But I also became increasingly scatterbrained as she was enneagram 7 and was my primary social example.

I finally managed to get a girlfriend through my increase of understanding from the ENFP. A gorgeous ESFP 2w1 who Im still incredibly in love with after over a year. But the funny thing was that this was again because of my increasing anxiety and disintegration in the enneagram I couldnt focus on any of my studies and failed the year (thought I had ADHD although now Im not so sure since it could just be the disintegration), constantly thinking the worst and paranoid of both the ENFP and ESFP (anxiety and introverted thinking combined), and soley seeking to develop social understanding (common INTP and type 5 fear). Through my ESFP girlfriend I gained even more insight into human relationships and luckily both the EN and SFP were loving and supportive and I too shared my intellect with them to help with their problems.

I began pouring myself into psychology study. I found it fascinating. In fact, I became so intrigued by others and had been so influenced and loved by my two closest companions that I thought I was ENFP 2w3 for a considerable amount of time. In fact, only until within the last month after spending alot of time in a new school and gaining more understanding through other that I finally understood my type. I loved people so much and spent so much time trying to understand others I honestly thought that's who I was. Now, as I gained a greater understanding through all these new people I had come to know, my integration took form and I began to look more like a type 5 to myself. Less scatterbrained, less hyperactive, less anxious, more mature, and able to make better conclusions.

Now that I understand who I really am, I'm beginning to find myself trying to develop my personality from the chaos it was before. I seem to have spent all this time developing Exraverted Feeling as I am VERY enthusiastic with others now (channeling what I learned through Ne as a type 7 into how I act around other). I still love people and they seem to love me. It's interesting that since I've learn so much from feelers and extraverts I now feel an incredible amount of sympathy for others. Im very generous and always want to help. Also, I find myself happier the more people I talk to as it feels so fantastic to finally have the ability to be normal. I openly talk with everyone, talk in class, and am honestly interested in nearly every person I meet and try to learn from them. This was why I was so confused. I DID get energy from others, but this was because I approached extraversion like an introvert. But now I understand I was trying to solve my life (TI) and gain information from others through experimentation (Ne).

But between socionics and MBTI I'm unsure as to which function I will be developing next. According to MBTI it should be Si. But according to socionics it should be Fi. I now have a new best friend at school who is an INFP 9w8 (it was through interaction with him that I finally understood my true type). Which is very interesting because this is the third major influence who has introverted feeling in their top 2 functions. I find myself asking questions of morality, what I want in life, what I feel is right, and how others feel. It's amazing how influence from others seems to develop our type. So I feel as though I meet take on the role of the socionics INTj instead of the MBTI INTP through influence (SOCIOnics). But I feel if I had live my life as a normal INTP I might have started gaining SI right about now. So I'm very curious how others have developed in their life. Here's an overview of my development for other's benefit.

Ti>Ne>Fe>Fi
Type 5>Type 7>Type 5

I honestly wish I could gain Te as I have a horrid time forgeting things still as Im entering my true enneagram again and writing notes would help. But it's very hard as I do most of my thinking in my head and am easily distracted by what I want to do. So I'm still questioning whether Im ADHD or a diintegrated 5, but either way I don't think it matters much. Please shar your insight into how you have developed as I am MOST curious to find out from other INTPs! Thanks, guys!
 

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Your post is riddled with misconceptions.
 

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Firstly I'd like to share my types- INTP, 5w6, LII.
This is debatable. From a Socionics viewpoint, MBTI testing isn't reliable as the types themselves and the functions aren't adequately defined. Also if you got LII from Socionics testing, it may also be inaccurate(self typing through intense study or professionals is preferred). The general consensus is that if you are truly a type in MBTI the same type carries over and thus you would be ILI, not LII. Functions do not carry over.

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=8527

I've become fascinated with personality type for a long time now. From MBTI, to Enneagram, to Socionics I feel I've attained a great amount of insight into myself and other people. So here I'd simply like to share my observations of how I've grown as an indivdual and hear stories about others also. As a kid, I grew up highlyyy introverted thinking. Never had more than one friend, read books constantly, toggling theories in my mind consistently and debating them with others. But as I entered into my preteen years I developed strong depression and social anxiety from noticing how different I had made my life compared to others. I began to study and observe interpersonal relations much like a type 5 enneagram would. What people liked and how I could be similar. Interestingly I did this by myself on the computer (just like an introvert no?) and became extremely avoidant and socially anxious (I assume I was developing Avoidant personality disorder).
The first mention of a function, introverted thinking, is most likely erroneously applied. There are differences between MBTI and Socionics functions.

It wasn't until my junior year in high school that I finally started coming out of my shell. Interestingly, this is probably due to my increasing anxiety (Disintegration of type 5 enneagram to type 7). I finally managed to get myself a friend (ENFP 7w8) through an akward incident where I finally got my second kiss. I had no understanding of social norms and from her I managed to attain a great deal of understanding as she took the time to befriend me and allowed me to ask the silliest of questions to understand people. It is also from her I developed my extraverted intuition as it was her predominant trait. But I also became increasingly scatterbrained as she was enneagram 7 and was my primary social example.
With the first response in mind, this part may be inaccurate, which I'm sure it is as your descriptions do not seem like an INTj/LII.

I finally managed to get a girlfriend through my increase of understanding from the ENFP. A gorgeous ESFP 2w1 who Im still incredibly in love with after over a year. But the funny thing was that this was again because of my increasing anxiety and disintegration in the enneagram I couldnt focus on any of my studies and failed the year (thought I had ADHD although now Im not so sure since it could just be the disintegration), constantly thinking the worst and paranoid of both the ENFP and ESFP (anxiety and introverted thinking combined), and soley seeking to develop social understanding (common INTP and type 5 fear). Through my ESFP girlfriend I gained even more insight into human relationships and luckily both the EN and SFP were loving and supportive and I too shared my intellect with them to help with their problems.
If you are really an LII, your relationships with ENFP and ESFP types are more likely to have conflicts, another reason for being ILI. Also another possible misconception by using the same function between typology systems.

I began pouring myself into psychology study. I found it fascinating. In fact, I became so intrigued by others and had been so influenced and loved by my two closest companions that I thought I was ENFP 2w3 for a considerable amount of time. In fact, only until within the last month after spending alot of time in a new school and gaining more understanding through other that I finally understood my type. I loved people so much and spent so much time trying to understand others I honestly thought that's who I was. Now, as I gained a greater understanding through all these new people I had come to know, my integration took form and I began to look more like a type 5 to myself. Less scatterbrained, less hyperactive, less anxious, more mature, and able to make better conclusions.
No comment.

Now that I understand who I really am, I'm beginning to find myself trying to develop my personality from the chaos it was before. I seem to have spent all this time developing Exraverted Feeling as I am VERY enthusiastic with others now (channeling what I learned through Ne as a type 7 into how I act around other). I still love people and they seem to love me. It's interesting that since I've learn so much from feelers and extraverts I now feel an incredible amount of sympathy for others. Im very generous and always want to help. Also, I find myself happier the more people I talk to as it feels so fantastic to finally have the ability to be normal. I openly talk with everyone, talk in class, and am honestly interested in nearly every person I meet and try to learn from them. This was why I was so confused. I DID get energy from others, but this was because I approached extraversion like an introvert. But now I understand I was trying to solve my life (TI) and gain information from others through experimentation (Ne).
More misconceptions, as Socionics does not agree with function use and development in this way.

But between socionics and MBTI I'm unsure as to which function I will be developing next. According to MBTI it should be Si. But according to socionics it should be Fi. I now have a new best friend at school who is an INFP 9w8 (it was through interaction with him that I finally understood my true type). Which is very interesting because this is the third major influence who has introverted feeling in their top 2 functions. I find myself asking questions of morality, what I want in life, what I feel is right, and how others feel. It's amazing how influence from others seems to develop our type. So I feel as though I meet take on the role of the socionics INTj instead of the MBTI INTP through influence (SOCIOnics). But I feel if I had live my life as a normal INTP I might have started gaining SI right about now. So I'm very curious how others have developed in their life. Here's an overview of my development for other's benefit.
More misconceptions.

Ti>Ne>Fe>Fi
Type 5>Type 7>Type 5
Again, Socionics does not work this way.

I honestly wish I could gain Te as I have a horrid time forgeting things still as Im entering my true enneagram again and writing notes would help. But it's very hard as I do most of my thinking in my head and am easily distracted by what I want to do. So I'm still questioning whether Im ADHD or a diintegrated 5, but either way I don't think it matters much. Please shar your insight into how you have developed as I am MOST curious to find out from other INTPs! Thanks, guys!
Another misconception.

Overall the problem is that you are mixing the semantics of the different systems and are unaware of the boundaries.

I now point you to the16types.info. If you wish to gain a better understanding of Socionics, I advise that you make a thread there. It will take a long time to really get a grasp on the theory because it seems your foundation is in MBTI. To understand Socionics, you must forget everything about the workings of MBTI theory and how typology works.
 

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You're right, it seems I was mostly confused in reference to the development of functions as Id on't understand how socionics and mbti could be so different using the same basics. I was trying to see the root of it all and my Ne kicked in wrong from not having enough information. Thanks for clarifying.
 

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Do you feel ashamed now? (You don't have to be/shouldn't be, by the way, just curiosity)
I always feel very ashamed when things like these happen to me, when I assume a lot of wrong things, and somebody corrects me. I accept my misconceptions etc, but it still makes me feel a bit vulnerable. But now I see there's nothing to be ashamed of, because I've just been the observer of somebody who has learnt something new, nothing scary about that...
Sorry for getting kind of off-topic, and I hope what I just said makes sense.
 

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It does suck to feel vulnerable, but it's all part of the learning process. It's not like the greats in science and mathematics didn't make huge mistakes.

You can either be a strong skeptic and progress slowly, or limit your skepticism and make occasional blunders.
 
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I figured my self out but because of me being extreamly parnoid i began to fear that i would lose my self to anouther personnality. i like the one i have, if i go my whole life only doing what i believe is right even if lands me on the streets ill be happy, and happy doing it. but now i fear that statment is drifting father away from me. is it a self made fear, or a realization. i realize i should just live and dont think so much and where i land is where i land. does they want to land in a specific area a biased? and if so does that mean i can no longer live my life a neutral. am i stuck between not wanting and not recieving and wanting and not recieving because of wanting? i respect my values and morals to no end. how can that ever be lowerd? MUSICS THE SHIT. and ugh. i need some insight
 

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Do you feel ashamed now? (You don't have to be/shouldn't be, by the way, just curiosity)
I always feel very ashamed when things like these happen to me, when I assume a lot of wrong things, and somebody corrects me. I accept my misconceptions etc, but it still makes me feel a bit vulnerable. But now I see there's nothing to be ashamed of, because I've just been the observer of somebody who has learnt something new, nothing scary about that...
Sorry for getting kind of off-topic, and I hope what I just said makes sense.

Surprisingly no. I knew there was a flaw in my way of thinking I just couldn't see what it was so I thought I'd subject it incompletely to others for analysis. I don't think Eye_See_Cold is right about my socionics type though. I believe the ESFP is in fact ESFj in socionics but that is my fault for not making clear. Also what a failed topoint out was there there were many conflicts in my relationship with the ENFP despite everything I managed to gain from the relationsip. Basically what I learned is that you cannot develop functions at will. However, I believe my theory as to the enneagram where I become hyperactive and scattered at type seven is true as I'm naturally a 5 but how people see me in public is as a 7. Therefore I suppose I must be unhealthy. However, in developing extraverted intuition I've noticed this is what peopl like most in social occasions so this is how I act, like an ENFP. I view this as the most social type so this is how I act. I may have developed a certain amount of Fe of course due to the fact it is in the group of functions I am able to develop, however saying I'll develop Fi after that would be proposterous. Thanks for the insight guys it was really helpful! I have another question though. How would one go about developing their Si function? I notice if I stay calm and consider everything around me I notice an extreme increase in the amount of detail I perceive. Is this part of Si? I try to take things in with my senses but I simply notice the detail rather than compare it to other similar senses. Would anyone care to share their experiences with this function and it's development as well as that of Fe?
 

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Surprisingly no. I knew there was a flaw in my way of thinking I just couldn't see what it was so I thought I'd subject it incompletely to others for analysis. I don't think Eye_See_Cold is right about my socionics type though. I believe the ESFP is in fact ESFj in socionics but that is my fault for not making clear. Also what a failed topoint out was there there were many conflicts in my relationship with the ENFP despite everything I managed to gain from the relationsip. Basically what I learned is that you cannot develop functions at will. However, I believe my theory as to the enneagram where I become hyperactive and scattered at type seven is true as I'm naturally a 5 but how people see me in public is as a 7. Therefore I suppose I must be unhealthy. However, in developing extraverted intuition I've noticed this is what peopl like most in social occasions so this is how I act, like an ENFP. I view this as the most social type so this is how I act. I may have developed a certain amount of Fe of course due to the fact it is in the group of functions I am able to develop, however saying I'll develop Fi after that would be proposterous. Thanks for the insight guys it was really helpful! I have another question though. How would one go about developing their Si function? I notice if I stay calm and consider everything around me I notice an extreme increase in the amount of detail I perceive. Is this part of Si? I try to take things in with my senses but I simply notice the detail rather than compare it to other similar senses. Would anyone care to share their experiences with this function and it's development as well as that of Fe?

I've learned that it is futile to try to change another person's way of thinking as it is entirely a self-initiated process. However, I will say that if you wish to think this without more study into what you think you know, you are only opening yourself up to ignorance.
 

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I've learned that it is futile to try to change another person's way of thinking as it is entirely a self-initiated process. However, I will say that if you wish to think this without more study into what you think you know, you are only opening yourself up to ignorance.

Do understand I'm very objective. However, I've looked into socionics and my girlfriend is most definitely not an ENFp as they seem to be the complete opposite, pushing for power. She is however very enthusiastic as an ESFj would be. Therefore, if she is an ESFj and we've had next to no arguements in over a year, I would assume our relationship is one of duality and I would therefore be an LII, no? Also, the fact that my relationship with the ENFP had multiplie arguements seems to back this idea up.
 

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Do understand I'm very objective. However, I've looked into socionics and my girlfriend is most definitely not an ENFp as they seem to be the complete opposite, pushing for power. She is however very enthusiastic as an ESFj would be. Therefore, if she is an ESFj and we've had next to no arguements in over a year, I would assume our relationship is one of duality and I would therefore be an LII, no? Also, the fact that my relationship with the ENFP had multiplie arguements seems to back this idea up.

I will not argue with your reasoning. I have not experienced what you have experienced. Understanding is for your self to achieve, but realize this: when you rationalize empirical data to fit with your given understanding of a situation; i.e. confirmation bias.

However, it is safe to say that for the most part, extroverts are the same in both systems. Therefore you would be mislead to think an ESFj is an ESFP or any other type transformation. It is introverts who are not clearly defined and accounted for.

Again, I only stress more study and the maintaining of separation between MBTI knowledge and Socionics knowledge.
 

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I will not argue with your reasoning. I have not experienced what you have experienced. Understanding is for your self to achieve, but realize this: when you rationalize empirical data to fit with your given understanding of a situation; i.e. confirmation bias.

However, it is safe to say that for the most part, extroverts are the same in both systems. Therefore you would be mislead to think an ESFj is an ESFP or any other type transformation. It is introverts who are not clearly defined and accounted for.

Again, I only stress more study and the maintaining of separation between MBTI knowledge and Socionics knowledge.
Hmm. I appreciate the insight. I won't deny I have an incredible amount to learn. So you think I may be INTp? I'll look into it.
 
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