photomn508
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Does anyone know any film directors or screenwriters that are INTP?
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Vegard Pompey
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I'd say Charlie Kaufman is an INXP.
timmymayes
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I am reading a book on the making of Star Wars and I would be willing to say that Lucas is either INTP or INTJ.
I'm new to typing tho
I notice a commonality to your posts...about writers, directors and comedians.... a field you have interest in?
If so I'm actually of the same ilk.
Cheers,
T
I'm new to typing tho
I notice a commonality to your posts...about writers, directors and comedians.... a field you have interest in?
If so I'm actually of the same ilk.
Cheers,
T
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Paul Thomas Anderson
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Alfred Hitchcock is the only one that I am sure is an INTP...
As for some of the ones you guys are naming:
Tim Burton - INFJ
George Lucas - INFJ
Paul Thomas Anderson - INFJ
Charlie Kaufman - INFJ
As for some of the ones you guys are naming:
Tim Burton - INFJ
George Lucas - INFJ
Paul Thomas Anderson - INFJ
Charlie Kaufman - INFJ
Wish
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I really wish I was.Are you making fun of yourself?
I know it seems ridiculous, but it's not my fault INFJs just happen to be the visionary storytellers of all the types.
Wish
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If them being the least common of all the types is a true statistic, then they sure do a damn good job of getting themselves known and their messages out there.
I wish I had that Jrive...
..not that I have any messages or anything..
I wish I had that Jrive...
..not that I have any messages or anything..
Adymus
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Well I highly doubt they are as rare as the statistics show, just because they definitely appear to be one of the most mistyped.
Yeah that's the thing, we INTPs usually don't have messages, we just have negations of other people's messages. For instance take Richard Dawkins, he is an INTP, but his only message is "Religion is dangerous, devicisive, misleading, blah blah" and then he goes on to debunk religion. But that is where it ends, he makes no attempt to push his own worldview (Other than religion = bad), he just debunks other people's worldviews.
Vegard Pompey
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The other three are debatable, but Charlie Kaufman especially so. Have you seen Synecdoche, New York? I honestly have a hard time imagining that being the product of anything but an INXP, let alone an INFJ.
brain enclosed in flesh
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Yeah, no frickin' way on the INFJ director mania. Film is a visual medium, INFJs are about abstract, symbolic, language. Not saying that they can't be directors, but I think they are far more likely to be writers if we're going to talk about them in the realm of creativity- someone like Nabokov, say. Or I could see them being film critics. It's good to be an extraverted perceiver when it comes to combining visuals and words.
Not to sound so absolute or anything. But I would have to say my fellow students in my film production classes tended to be more of the XXXP variety.
Not to sound so absolute or anything. But I would have to say my fellow students in my film production classes tended to be more of the XXXP variety.
Adymus
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Because the message itself is only used to subtract the messages of others.
Dawkins deconstructs worldviews, but that is about it, after deconstruction he does not push anything else.
A person with a worldview to push, would take the extra step into saying: "Your worldview is wrong, now her is what is right."
Dawkins is against the assumption that anything is right at all, which is exactly what you would expect out of an INTP.
Adymus
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*tilts head to the side with a confused look on face*
Okay are you suggesting that INTJs can't possibly be inventors or engineers because they are using Ni which abstract and symbolic?
Turning a vision into reality (Essentially Ni to Se) is the peak experience for any Ni dominant. Visual medium is not only likely for an INFJ, it fits right into their functional heirarchy. They see their vision vividly, and they try to create it through visual media so other people can see it too. People don't just stop at their dominant function and leave it at that. When a personality type has a magnificent idea, they use ever function they have to give it to people. By your logic, an INTP can't communicate their ideas because Ti is subjective and personal to the INTP only. Richard Dawkins is another great example for this, He sent his logic down the pathway of his functions to his Fe, and turn it into a message that he can share with the world. But according to you, he must be an ENTP, because INTPs can't possibly do that.
brain enclosed in flesh
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No... that's not what I mean...
Turning Ni to Se? They extrovert with Fe. Se is their inferior function, which means it's their weak spot. That's like saying that INFPs live for expressing their Fi using objective logic. Isn't it more like converting their internal visions into human connection? That's why they really dig psychiatry and other medicine and ministry?
I have an INFJ friend and she's always freaking out about how creative I am. Meanwhile, she is very warm and quick to give a compliment and has strong spiritual beliefs. I'm not saying that INFJs can't be directors, it just doesn't seem to me the primary director type, as you seem to think.
Oh, wait... I remember... you're the one who believes people extravert through their inferior function... right? Something about Zooey Deschanel being ISFP because she speaks through Te? Meanwhile, if you watch ISFP youtube videos, they all have this quiet sweetness about them...
I understand this, to an extent. I can use my Fe sometimes when I'm uncomfortable in social situations, but it's as sucky as suck. It's totally different than a person who uses Fe as one of their top two functions. But when I'm extraverting with Ne, I am way more engaging and natural... totally different than my ISTJ father, who seems very Te, and when you see his Ne use, you're like... eh? That's not what's implied at all!
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That is precisely what I am saying they are doing! We don't stop at our auxiliary function, our inferior is not only there to be the bain of our existence.
That is part of the cycle but that is not the final destination. the rest of the cycle is to tighten up the logic in the vision (Ti) and then turn it into reality (Se). Even writing a book is a part of this. They dig much more than just psychiatry, btw.
A huge part of reading people's type is removing all of the gunk off of your lenses. The preconceived notions that all INFJs are these super warm new agers that you get from MBTI descriptions. You will find types in all kinds of walks of life that you never would have expected if you were only running off of the MBTI descriptions.
No, I said that they articulate from either Te or Fe, not necessarily their inferior. And they extrovert from both of their extroverted functions, but only Te and Fe are articulating function.
It is not that you are not speaking out of Fe, when you are doing it comfortably. You are just putting less energy into structuring your thoughts, and trying to actively connect with people, but it is still Fe articulation.
brain enclosed in flesh
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So I went for a walk, and once I was actively engaging with the world, (I believe) I had some insights.
But first off, the reason I know my friend is an INFJ is because she told me that's what she is. I always pegged her more as an ISFJ, to be honest. Also, I know INFJs aren't exclusively into psychiatry... that's like saying all INTPs are into math, and I have the brain capacity of a small stone when it comes to math! (but I'm good at visual-spatial/music/art)
So, I had this insight of how I would imagine an INFJ director to be. It seems that they would be desiring to construct this vision of either a made-up place or of the future. Chances are, things would be bad. The characters would be more archetype than realistic people. The moralistic hero would either come in and rescue everything or be too late. Regardless, it would be heavy on the moral, which would be something to the extent of, "If we don't change our ways now, this is destined to happen..." Think Avatar.
In other words, yes, I imagine there are a hunk of INFJ directors out there, especially if they are the auteurs and not just adapting someone else's work. I would imagine INTJ's style of film would be pretty similar, except it would be more along the lines of, "If our government continues on this route, or we follow this logic..." well, you know, like Ayn Rand.
XXXP directors, on the other hand, I believe would follow more of a cinema verite sort of line- a snapshot of people's life- emphasis on realistic, believable characters, and the sort of things they have to deal with. If the directors are NPs, chances are there will be some wackiness to go along with it- satirical social commentary, tongue-in-cheek, altered reality; NFPs, chances are it will be somewhat romantic, likely in a tragic, or unrequited sense (Think Before Sunrise or Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind). SFPs will probably focus even more on the verite, things may possibly end sunnier (or they will avoid showing the tragedy), or they will be adapting someone else's work, heavy emphasis on cinematic beauty (or adapting the goofball work of conspiracy theorists... think Da Vinci Code...), or making something like The Hangover, although that could be an ENTP sort of thing... SJs, I can't help but think Westerns and romantic comedies and period flicks.
Obviously I am way generalizing here, so no one get offended. (And please correct me if you consider me wrong.)
Here's the list from TypoC. I'm not saying in any way this is correct, but it's the list they've put together:
EDIT: oh, there is someone that I think very much of being an INFJ director and I love... M. Night Shyamalan (I know they have him undecided but he seems very much that way to me.)
But first off, the reason I know my friend is an INFJ is because she told me that's what she is. I always pegged her more as an ISFJ, to be honest. Also, I know INFJs aren't exclusively into psychiatry... that's like saying all INTPs are into math, and I have the brain capacity of a small stone when it comes to math! (but I'm good at visual-spatial/music/art)
So, I had this insight of how I would imagine an INFJ director to be. It seems that they would be desiring to construct this vision of either a made-up place or of the future. Chances are, things would be bad. The characters would be more archetype than realistic people. The moralistic hero would either come in and rescue everything or be too late. Regardless, it would be heavy on the moral, which would be something to the extent of, "If we don't change our ways now, this is destined to happen..." Think Avatar.
In other words, yes, I imagine there are a hunk of INFJ directors out there, especially if they are the auteurs and not just adapting someone else's work. I would imagine INTJ's style of film would be pretty similar, except it would be more along the lines of, "If our government continues on this route, or we follow this logic..." well, you know, like Ayn Rand.
XXXP directors, on the other hand, I believe would follow more of a cinema verite sort of line- a snapshot of people's life- emphasis on realistic, believable characters, and the sort of things they have to deal with. If the directors are NPs, chances are there will be some wackiness to go along with it- satirical social commentary, tongue-in-cheek, altered reality; NFPs, chances are it will be somewhat romantic, likely in a tragic, or unrequited sense (Think Before Sunrise or Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind). SFPs will probably focus even more on the verite, things may possibly end sunnier (or they will avoid showing the tragedy), or they will be adapting someone else's work, heavy emphasis on cinematic beauty (or adapting the goofball work of conspiracy theorists... think Da Vinci Code...), or making something like The Hangover, although that could be an ENTP sort of thing... SJs, I can't help but think Westerns and romantic comedies and period flicks.
Obviously I am way generalizing here, so no one get offended. (And please correct me if you consider me wrong.)
Here's the list from TypoC. I'm not saying in any way this is correct, but it's the list they've put together:
EDIT: oh, there is someone that I think very much of being an INFJ director and I love... M. Night Shyamalan (I know they have him undecided but he seems very much that way to me.)
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I think people like Peter Jackson, George Lucas and James Cameron are either dominant or secondary Se for they are big on the visual part and special effects but they are miserable storytellers for the most part.
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I wouldn't say that they're miserable story-tellers...
Just that their tales are grounded in prototypes that cater to basic human nature.
They've essentially taken myths and fairytales and embellished them. What would normally be a bedtime story is expanded, but the characters gain little depth from the short descriptions that would have suited a 5 minute recounting.
I have this awesome visual representation of it in my head...
Imagine the story is a cube. The length is plot, the width universe and the depth character. To make it long enough to become a feature length film they invent new plot lines and create stunning visuals to represent the world. The characters are practically ignored...
In that way, the length and width of the cube are double, tripled, quadrupled, but the resulting form is disproportionate and shallow.
Just that their tales are grounded in prototypes that cater to basic human nature.
They've essentially taken myths and fairytales and embellished them. What would normally be a bedtime story is expanded, but the characters gain little depth from the short descriptions that would have suited a 5 minute recounting.
I have this awesome visual representation of it in my head...
Imagine the story is a cube. The length is plot, the width universe and the depth character. To make it long enough to become a feature length film they invent new plot lines and create stunning visuals to represent the world. The characters are practically ignored...
In that way, the length and width of the cube are double, tripled, quadrupled, but the resulting form is disproportionate and shallow.
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I'm studying directing and screenwriting, and this applies to me:
It's scary how close that comes to my world-vision when I write and imagine things. That is an amazing insight into myself, and I've bookmarked this page cause jesus christ you read my soul.
I'm not used to anybody understanding my methods, so this feels like I'm totally exposed and for the first time in my life someone has correctly analyzed my motivations and it's really weird and I feel happy and confused and dumb all at once.
How did you come to that conclusion about the direction and thoughts of an INTP director/screen-writer? It could better help me understand myself if you could explain how you realised that
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Luis Bunuel, David Lynch. I think Kubrick was INTJ. Cronenberg is definitely INTP though, in my mind at least. See Naked Lunch now! Then decide.
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Are you sure? I'm no aspiring director or anything, but I have been writing fiction since the age of 5. I find I have a great deal to say; a lot of it has been said before, but does that make my beliefs any less sincere?
I definitely see where you're coming from; because of Ti's critical nature, it is natural for us to find flaws in things, and many of us do indeed expend most of our creative energy doing just that. But we don't have to. We can call on Ne if we choose, and our lives are the poorer if we do not.
But in regards to George Lucas being an INFJ...erm, no. At least, I find it very hard to believe someone who has a terrible grasp of human psychology and who actually said "if i wanted to reach my audience, I'd just choke a kitten" a feeler.
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Dawkins has been on British TV a LOT. He is just so damned sure of himself, on EVERYTHING. He doesn't even bother to explain himself to others. He just states his view, as if that was the only way anyone could think, and then expects the other person to give a false reasoning that he simply dismisses as rationalisation. I wouldn't be surprised if the man comes up as 90% J.
downsowf
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What about Stanley Kubrick? He was known to do an interminable amount of takes. He would have to get shots from every possible angle, make his actors approach the scene using every range of emotion, and was the consummate perfectionist. When he finally got enough money he moved to England, secluded himself, and built sets on his own property. Also, who else could direct a movie like A Clockwork Orange?
Peeps999
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I always though he was an INTJ(as stated above), but I'm uncertain since I suck at typing people.Regardless, I love his films.