INTP by what measure?

[Linsejko]

This profile was taken from Introspectives.

loner, more interested in intellectual pursuits than relationships or family, wrestles with the meaninglessness of existence, likes esoteric things, disorganized, messy, likes science fiction, can be lonely, observer, private, can't describe feelings easily, detached, likes solitude, not revealing, unemotional, rule breaker, avoidant, familiar with the darkside, skeptical, acts without consulting others, does not think they are weird but others do, socially uncomfortable, abrupt, fantasy prone, does not like happy people, appreciates strangeness, frequently loses things, acts without planning, guarded, not punctual, more likely to support marijuana legalization, not prone to compromise, hard to persuade, relies on mind more than on others, calm

Which 5 do you most relate to, and which 5 do you least relate to?

.L

 

[loveofreason]

most: likes solitude, appreciates strangeness, loner, detached, guarded

least: not prone to compromise, unemotional, does not think they are weird but others do (I know I'm weird), ?, ?*

*can't really come up with many 'leasts'

Interesting list. Can imagine these things etched around the inside of my skull like hieroglyphs in a tomb, telling the story of my 'secret' life.

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

wrestles with the meaninglessness of existence, observer, familiar with the darkside, skeptical, appreciates strangeness, more likely to support marijuana legalization (than I am to support alcohol, which I do, in moderation, and for only a select few), relies on mind more than on others, calm.


I had to choose more than 5 because they are have the same value to me. The others are kind of relevant, but a bit extreme.

 

[Ermine]

likes esoteric things, disorganized, observer, appreciates strangeness, familiar with the dark side, detached, skeptical, fantasy prone.

Like Cabbo, I can sort of relate to most of them, but they don't define me. They're merely my idiosyncracies.

However, there are a couple I don't agree with at all, like does not think they are weird but others do (I already know I'm weird), not punctual (I'm always on time), acts without planning (if anything, I plan too much), and agreeing with marijuana legalization. I personally don't think the law's doing any good because people keep doing it anyway. However, I believe people should be allowed to do anything they want just so long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. I think people have the right to clean air. I can't stand the smell of marijuana.

 

[Olba]

loner
I'm more likely to find others to be a hindrance or that their methods of doing something is simply too different with myself. Plus, I would rather not spend time explaining my ideas to others if there's a chance I might have to do it twice.

disorganized
Yes, this is as true as it gets. I'm simply not able to keep things in a neat order. Concepts like "return what you take to where you took it from after you no longer have any use for it" simply don't mean enough to me for me to actually do it. I'm more likely to let someone else do it or do it a few days, weeks or months later.

acts without planning
Well, considering that I don't view deadlines as a thing of importance, I don't designate a certain amount of time for planning either. I'm more likely to have a rough idea of something and act on that based on how the situation turns out in real-time.

hard to persuade
Yeah, I would say I'm hard to persuade. Why? Because I lack enthusiasm. I just don't see many things interesting enough to bother with them. Also, I would rather not see myself doing things because someone else told me or asked to me to do it, but because I wanted to do it. Which usually results in me being a bit of a troublesome person for some teachers.

likes solitude
If there is nothing to be gained, why should I bother? And social company will just be in a way of my thoughts. And what's more, most people just don't have that something interesting about them, meaning they are common and boring.

As for the least ones:

more likely to support marijuana legalization
Hell no! I don't do drugs or alcohol, nor do I see any reason why anyone else should. And what's more, doing marijuana would lead into a lack of control over myself, which is something I would rather not have. If anything, I tend to compare my severe lack of sleep into a constant state of being under the influence of an unknown substance.

rule breaker
I view the laws as something that can be debated on under certain circumstances and as something that should be as loop holeless as possible. Of course, stupidities such as rules in a school are always a bit questionable at best, so I can be a borderline case sometimes, but I don't deliberately break the rules. Not unless I know I will end up in a debate about justifying why I did what I did. Which would just be fun.

likes science fiction
To me, the idea behind sci-fi is pointless speculation of the future. Which in turn stems from the yearning to understand the concept and flow of time. Which I find to be as pointless as recording history into databases and books. Of course, there are a few exceptions, such as Hitler and Stalin. Because they were recorded, it's less likely that people would be fooled again by another charismatic person.

familiar with the darkside
The lack of this might just be because of my age and current life style. For a good 6 years, I've mostly stayed home playing games or browsing the Internet, so I've missed a lot of harmful experiences, such as partying, drinking, smoking and most of the other teenage social stuff. Also, since I spend most of my time home, I don't really run into "the darkside", nor do I have a chance to.

Man, I just made the longest post in the thread. Hope someone will set it as their goal to surpass me.

 

[Linsejko]

...and agreeing with marijuana legalization. I personally don't think the law's doing any good because people keep doing it anyway. However, I believe people should be allowed to do anything they want just so long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. I think people have the right to clean air. I can't stand the smell of marijuana.

I've never done any illicit drugs, and have no intention of doing so... but that argument is just silly.

I don't like the smell of smoker's' smoke, but even though that's legal, I very rarely have to smell it- especially with the laws in my area that make it illegal so smoke in restaurants. You're infringing on their right to smoke marijuana, because it offends your senses?

That sounds as silly to me as banning pink houses because you don't want to see them. That is definitely no reason to outlaw marijuana, regardless of why else you may hold that opinion.

--

I think one's idiosyncrasies tell enough about a person for the rest of them to be understood by them, depending on the detail and relevance of the particular ones given.

"People are fractal," I say.

.L

 

[Ermine]

I've never done any illicit drugs, and have no intention of doing so... but that argument is just silly.

I don't like the smell of smoker's' smoke, but even though that's legal, I very rarely have to smell it- especially with the laws in my area that make it illegal so smoke in restaurants. You're infringing on their right to smoke marijuana, because it offends your senses?

That sounds as silly to me as banning pink houses because you don't want to see them. That is definitely no reason to outlaw marijuana, regardless of why else you may hold that opinion.


.L

It's not just because I don't like it. Second hand smoke from any drug is harmful.

 

[Linsejko]

That's slightly more valid, but still...

...don't go hang out with a bunch of pot heads while they're smoking, aye? From that point of view, you should be against any non-ZEV vehicles, too, right?

'Cause G-d knows how many health problems the average metropolitan residing citizen has from all the smog in the air. Not to mention the planetary infringement otherwise, though that's somehow still deemed 'controversial'.

.L

 

[Olba]

So, is this G-d another one of those black ghetto rappers or something?

 

[VoidCrow]

> It's not just because I don't like it. Second hand smoke from any drug is harmful.

To what extent, Fernando? More than cosmic rays? More than the actually unavoidable daily thermal damage that being mammalian and hot-blooded causes to your dna? More than the oxidation damage caused at a cellular level when you get into a stressful situation with some wonderful human being who has power over you? What about pm10s, tiny little free-floating granules of carbon covered in carcinogenic organic chemical toffee?

go-tos?

Barring smoke damage, are you otherwise immortal?

Seriously, there are other things to get worked up about, such as the end of the Oil Age...

 

[Ermine]

^ Did I ever make it sound that dramatic? Ok, I admit it! My post wasn't thought through well! I was tired! I was acting mediocre and parroting what I hear! Happy now?!?!?!

*pant* *pant*

Ok, I'm fine now.

 

[Zero]

-loner (I can be alone and be alright. It's a little awkward to eat alone in public is the only thing)
-more interested in intellectual pursuits than relationships or family
-wrestles with the meaninglessness of existence
-likes esoteric things
-disorganized
-messy
-likes science fiction (O_o)
-can be lonely (T_T)
-observer
-private
-can't describe feelings easily (If I had the right word I could)
-detached
-likes solitude
-not revealing
-unemotional
-rule breaker
-avoidant
-familiar with the darkside (This just makes me laugh)
-skeptical (Especially when I'm tired and irritated)
-acts without consulting others
-does not think they are weird but others do (I don't think I'm weird and other people don't really think I'm weird either. Well maybe a few.)
-socially uncomfortable
-abrupt
-fantasy prone
-does not like happy people (Normally I don't, but I have a friend who's very happy, an ENTJ)
-appreciates strangeness
-frequently loses things
-acts without planning
-guarded
-not punctual
-more likely to support marijuana legalization (I'm not concerned about that, nor do I really think I would or would care.)
-not prone to compromise (I'll compromise if there's benefit to it or if it doesn't matter)
-hard to persuade (That Depends, I don't think I'm that difficult to persuade, unless I don't want to do something. Then it's impossible, unless the person can give me some very good reason.)
-relies on mind more than on others (I'm assuming this means I rely on my mind more than I rely on others, rather than I rely on my mind more than others rely on their mind.)
-calm (I tend to be stressed out...)

If it hasn't become clear... Bright Green= Always, Mold Green= Usually, Yellow=Sometimes, Orange=Not so much, Red=Not at All

 

[Wisp]

WAIT A MINUTE! The argument for legalization of marijuana has NOTHING to do with smoking it! It is the legalization of 'juana for medicinal purposes (painkiller), NOT so people can go around being potheads...

 

[Ermine]

Ah, but no one made that distinction. Yeah, sure people only want the plant for pain killers and making hemp. Right...

 

[Linsejko]

Yeah. I just like a non-intrusive gov't. It's not killing people, and people have the right to kill themselves if they like.

As far as harming others, they shouldn't, or infringe on their rights, within reason.

And we're cool, Fernando. That's all I wanted. xD

.L

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

"second hand smoke from any drug is harmful"



So is owning a car. So is breathing itself, to an extent. We all die. Are you saying you would like to live until you have no idea who or what you are, getting your ass wiped by strangers and shouting random nonsenses at people, if you still have the ability to shout. Get over yourself.

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

Look at china. What dumb asses; nobody likes you at the minute, and you aren't impressing anyone by running the Olympic flame through Tibet, you small-dicked ego-maniacs.



I'm done.

 

[Linsejko]

Now that we got that over with.

My city is actually having a candlelight vigil for tibet, downtown at a coffeehouse I'm found of.

.L

 

[Ermine]

Which is all fine and good, except it's not proactive enough to do anything. Tibet is a really sticky situation. They're in a horrible situation right now, be it because of China or the Dalai Lama. And if they were freed, China would probably be after whoever helps free Tibet. Scary.

sounds like it needs to go in the politics thread. How is it that every thread in the forum seems to go off topic after the first several posts?

 

[CowSavior]

loner, more interested in intellectual pursuits than relationships or family, likes esoteric things, disorganized, messy, likes science fiction, can be lonely, observer, private, can't describe feelings easily, detached, likes solitude, not revealing, unemotional, rule breaker, avoidant, skeptical, acts without consulting others, does not think they are weird but others do, socially uncomfortable, abrupt, does not like happy people, appreciates strangeness, acts without planning, guarded, not prone to compromise,
In no perticular order,
I'd say I relate most to the following: (1) fantasy prone, (2) hard to persuade, (3) not revealing, (4) unemotional, (5) wrestles with the meaninglessness of existence (all the time)

And I relate least to: (1)calm (I'm always hyper... or depressed...), (2) relies on mind more than others, (3) acts without planning, (4) does not like happy people (they overflow... making me happy.) (5) loner (Though I spend almost all of my time at school and home in solitude, I don't consider myself a loner, because I don't feel that I need a lot of social contact unless it benifets me greatly. I like to do things for myself to improve, and hate being taught more than just the basics.)

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

"How is it that every thread in the forum seems to go off topic after the first several posts?"

That would be me. Sorry.

 

[Linsejko]

While Cabbo is a big part of it (at least you know it), we are INTPs...

I'd say by that definition, you are a loner, Zak. Also, the "hyper or depressed" isn't related to your type, it's a personal issue... I've known many people who had that.

They usually just show the hyper side; I eventually became able to tell that those types were depressed when alone, and had stuff going on. Of course, whatever that may be, it's probably propagated by your being 'unemotional'....

Best of luck with all that.


.L

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

'Hyper' is more commonly an E trait, isn't it?

 

[Ermine]

I beg to differ. If I'm with the right company, I can be quite hyper.

 

[Linsejko]

'Social' is more often an E trait, right?

While it tends to be, I don't think that means we can define 'I' as less social- only that they tend to be less social as a result of what being an 'I' really means. Which is, to themselves.

I's can be very social, you know. They just don't have a drive to be social, a craving for it.


All that to say, the person who you see as hyper could be an I who is in desperate need of approval and has no idea how to be social to get it properly.

(one example).

.L

 

[mm1991]

.........i was bored.......


loner - yes
more interested in intellectual pursuits than relationships or family - yes
wrestles with the meaninglessness of existence - no
likes esoteric things - yes
disorganized - yes
messy - yes
likes science fiction - depends
can be lonely - not really
observer - yes
private - yes
can't describe feelings easily - yes
detached - yes
likes solitude - yes
not revealing - yes
unemotional - no (eh, I can turn it on and off)
rule breaker - somewhat
avoidant - yes
familiar with the darkside - no
skeptical - yes
acts without consulting others - sometimes
does not think they are weird but others do - no (I'm aware I'm weird)
socially uncomfortable - yes
abrupt - somewhat
fantasy prone - depends
does not like happy people - no
appreciates strangeness - yes
frequently loses things - yes
acts without planning - yes
guarded - yes
not punctual - yes
more likely to support marijuana legalization - no
not prone to compromise - sometimes
hard to persuade - yes
relies on mind more than on others - yes
calm - depends

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

I didn't say 'social', I said 'hyper'. Big difference. In my opinion being hyper is being anti-social. Then again so is the opposite, so I guess social skills are just a way of annoying the least amount of people possible.

 

[Ermine]

How is being hyper anti-social? I don't know about you, but whenever I'm hyper, it's usually because I'm enthuastic about a deep or interesting conversation.

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

My understanding of hyper is clearly different from yours. Or maybe it's just my perception of hyper people as these annoying little blurs in front, no, wait, behind, no... where'd he go now?