INTP and Asperger's

[Ex-User (5841)]

I highly doubt that two INTPs meeting in real life would strike up a conversation

so, the insinuation is that one of them is not an INTP

I'm thinking that the 1% introvert is not actually an introvert at all

Depends. I can talk to anyone if I have a use for them or can fit them into something larger. Also depends how well I know them.

 

[crippli]

1% preference?

How was this measured? Average preference over how many years?

 

[NinjaSurfer]

Depends. I can talk to anyone if I have a use for them or can fit them into something larger. Also depends how well I know them.

so I'm wondering which one of them broke the ice to kick off the small talk.

 

[Mind Traveller]

My point wasn't so much that I met someone with a 1% introversion as it is about the relevancy of experiences within the MBTI type. The query is: does my experience as an INTP with a 95% introversion have the equivalent relevance to someone who experiences a lesser intoversion?

We have all seen the stats on the numbers of each MBTI personality type. The corallery to the first question is: Should those with more 'enhanced' INTP characteristices consider themselvs to be an even smaller segment of society - that is, if those with moderate to low INTP characteristices are disaggregated further from the type? If so, what kind of numbers do members think extreme INTP represent?

Introversion 95%
iNtuition 89%
Thinking 89%
Preceiving 89%

Verbal Reasoning scores in the 97th percentile.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

The query is: does my experience as an INTP with a 95% introversion have the equivalent relevance to someone who experiences a lesser intoversion?

Should those with more 'enhanced' INTP characteristices consider themselvs to be an even smaller segment of society - that is, if those with moderate to low INTP characteristices are disaggregated further from the type? If so, what kind of numbers do members think extreme INTP represent?

But which are we truly analyzing, characteristics or personal development? Are the 4 letters truly representative of use of cognitive functions?

Numbers should be examined with a grain of salt. The real diagnostic characteristic is replication of results. Repeatability.

 

[Mind Traveller]

I would have understood that numbers in and of themselves are merely representative and could never pose as near aboslutes. And, of course, I was also assuming that the numbers are consistent with repeat testing (mine are consistent over six tests of which three consisted of different questions). Given these qualifiers, I would like to keep focussed on the question (simplified): are INTPs to be considered equal by default or are some more equal than others in an Orwellian sense?

If so, is it likely/possible that much of what is considered to be Asperger's could be a more intense reflection of the INTP typology?




Powdered water: just add ???

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

are INTPs to be considered equal by default or are some more equal than others in an Orwellian sense?

What's the metric of comparison?

If so, is it likely/possible that much of what is considered to be Asperger's could be a more intense reflection of the INTP typology?

no. All INTPs =/= ass burgers and visa versa. Why are we restricting this to the autistic spectrum while ignoring the schizophrenic and bipolar?

Powdered water: just add no ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lfxYhtf8o4&feature=player_embedded

 

[Mind Traveller]

Adding questons to my questions may help to advance the perameters of the discussion, but gets us no further ahead in the end without thoughful input. At this juncture, I am only posing questions and not attempting to restrict the conversation within any perameters. If schizophrenia and bipolar are relevant, then by all means have them included.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

There's really nothing in the DSM IV that doesn't fall under at least one of those three spectra (plus they all share the same risk factors). If we go back to the original idea of plotting people using these 3 spectra on X, Y, Z axes, the best you're likely to get are clusters of non-INTP-specific intuitives which would theoretically identify shared genetic mutations.


Without triangulation or covariates, using the autistic spectrum alone is pretty well useless.

You also misspelled parameters.

 

[Vion]

There may be some similarities, but nothing significant, they have nothing to do with each other.
I knew a girl with Aspergers in another forum and you could easily notice that there was something odd. They have no empathy at all, you make a joke, they dont get it; you try to be friendly, they ignore you; they can be suddenly very harsh for no reason; etc. They have very narrowly focused interest which they are very constant with, not like INTPs, and they talk weirdly with no use of any kind of body language. Aspergers is not a matter of personality, its a neurological problem, a kind of lesser autism.

You think its easier to only just get it right that you can hide behind your insecurities with feeble psychological suggestions, Dissident preying on what you presumed mentally challenged women and then bashing them for your own failure as a man. Well now you are the monkey in the cage and I'm holding the taser. Let's have some fun shall we...

Let Dissident's post be a lesson to all of you I am not stuck in here with you for you are stuck in here with me that is the answer to every sentence ever with "life" in it and any other meme that represents your pecking order:

"There may be some similarities, but nothing significant, they have nothing to do with each other.

I knew Dissident has Aspergers in this forum and you could easily notice that there was something odd. Only sociopaths have no empathy, social empathy is akin to altruism and an oppressive super imposed ego, you dont get how to make a joke, they dont know what you are doing; you bumble into their social circle unkowing of the meme's or inside jokes to do what I don't know but you certainly aren't familiar enough to be friendly unless you are cheap company just a moron or needy, the opposite sex ignoring perhaps you approached like a faggot; they can be suddenly very harsh for no|with* reason and a smile on the face giving all the introverted attention in the world; etc. They have very narrowly focused interest which they are very constant with unlike Dissident whom enjoys talking about how he fascinates about pencils and pedo porn, not like INTPs, and they talk weirdly (on forums) with no use of any kind of body language such as picking of the nose. Dissident is not a matter of personality, they are a neurological problem, a kind of lesser person. I propose we all ignore Dissident."

Seeing as ignorance is never a working solution I make this long mimicry of a rant all while laughing my ass off somewhere deep down inside my introverted little mind. So when does the xNTx witch hunt begin? I got plenty of pitch forks and torches and my new weapon of mass destruction a blunt spoon that I will keep stabbing into your eye slowly over and over until you die a long and deliciously painful death like the colorful box of trix that you are silly rabbit. *lick*

"No reason" is reason there will always be reason... You can not think to escape thought what kind of a time paradox are you living in fool!? In other news Zero is now a number. Wrong is simply "not right". Nothing wrong with negative thoughts, they are there to save your ass and learn from if you never had them you would have already died by now. No has many compound alternatives no-thing, no-pe, no-ne far more choices and paths than yes a simple submission like a dying dog rolling over and playing dead.

Take your goals and expectations bend over and shove them up your ass. I don't need your regressive psychology for I am not traumatized by my perceptions. I am the ubermensch and your cause and effect are merely pawns in my process oriented view.

Steal the thoughts of others for that is called learning and education is the progressive understanding of one's own ignorance all those things you got right well get them wrong now and take every path. Aim to fail aim to win DO ALL THINGS all must and will be learned even if it must be thrust upon you blindly and unwillingly with painful demise. It has been said don't reinvent the wheel.

Reply at me in the subject header tell me are you a positive thinker or a chameleon on the scale of object relational theory and I will gladly rip apart your message for you. I'm like a honeypot of viral thoughts tweet away. I have Aspergers and its full of winning. GET ME YOUR GROUPTHINK IS WEAK even with post counts over 9000! SPAM MORE more mroe please lol I fap to your spam.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

spam

Well, aren't you just lovable?

 

[Grove]

Someone needs a cookie and a nap, or at the very least shown the introduction thread.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

I am the ubermensch

*Responding to a post from 4+ years ago...*

"U-ber-mensch!" "U-ber-mensch!" "U-ber-mensch!"

 

[Vion]

*Responding to a post from 4+ years ago...*

"U-ber-mensch!" "U-ber-mensch!" "U-ber-mensch!"

*Responding to a post from 20 minutes ago and 2000 miles away by typing with his toes*
Just because it is german doesn't mean it is hitler. I like prejudice but a predisposed pride is just hubris.

 

[Vion]

Someone needs a cookie and a nap, or at the very least shown the introduction thread.

That was the introduction thread, my introduction thread I think you need to read it before making idle dribble about fluffy blankets and soft baked goods. Your tedious euphemisms do not amuse.

 

[Vion]

Well, aren't you just lovable?

The difference between hatred and anger is the difference between lust and love, the conscious vs subconscious. Without anger you will never know the value of love, have any means to protect it or over come your fear of losing it. So yes lovable, I agree.

 

[Grove]

Yes it did amuse me, as you are. I'm looking foward to your future posts. Have a lovely evening.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

*Responding to a post from 20 minutes ago and 2000 miles away by typing with his toes*
Just because it is german doesn't mean it is hitler. I like prejudice but a predisposed pride is just hubris.

Wow, and I thought I knew Ass-burgers, having been diagnosed with it and all...

You sure you don't need a cookie?

 

[Grove]

That isn't Aspergers. You might want to hold on to something.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

One can choose to be juvenile.

U need cookie tu?

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Okay, I'm done

 

[Vion]

Wow, and I thought I knew Ass-burgers, having been diagnosed with it and all...

You sure you don't need a cookie?

You hang around some addicts and you eventually pick up on fanatic tendencies and death instincts, being able to read someones attention. Even the more touchy feely ones whom offer cookies playing on your desires.

 

[Grove]

I do need a cookie.

 

[Vion]

One can choose to be juvenile.

U need cookie tu?

At what point is one not juvenile? Your comparison is lacking.

 

[Vion]

I do need a cookie.

I ate your cookie.

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

Sorry, I'll respond back in about +/- 4 years.

Reminds me of Snafu in a way...

 

[Grove]

Snafu has more self respect.

 

[Vion]

The last post was by you 4 days ago. Obviously you thought this thread was still relevant why else would you be spamming it.

 

[BigApplePi]

Don't recall how I happened on this thread, but I read it all. I see Asperger's to be approached like this. To make it simple I will compare it to colorblindness.

1. Colorblindness can be neurological. Missing or unconnected or yet to be connected links.
2. I can live in a dark world. Then if you test me asking me if I see colors, I will reply I don't see any. You didn't ask me if I lived in a dark world.
3. I can live in a bright world but not pay attention. That is for artists. They excel; I don't. If you ask me if I see colors, I will reply that I didn't but now that you're calling my attention to it, I guess I do. Are THOSE what you want me to see?

Point is Asberger's can be physical or psychological. Symptoms are not enough. One has to look further.

 

[louiesgonnadie]

Also, I reckon there may be a high number of INTPs mis-diagnosed with this particular diagnosis at a young age, mainly due to a raw and immature manifestation of the inferior-Fe. I was dXed on two occasions (age 4 & 17), when I was 4 I had ADHD - out the wazoo - and anxiety to boot, and when I was 17 I was dealing with PTSD and depression (on top of ADHD/anxiety) - a deadly combination, which can easily disguise someone to have autistic traits, especially someone like me, since I'm considering myself to be an INTP.

I am one of those people that doesn't fit most of the criteria. So much, in fact, that when I tried to get re-evaluated for SSI a couple months after I turned 18, I was denied (in five seconds, amazingly!) due to "not fitting the criteria for Aspergers".

 

[pjoa09]

I think the INTP is a mild grey area between ADHD-PI and Autism.

I have a lot of autism and ADHD-PI symptoms but I haven't really found it impeding enough for me to cook my brain up.

 

[ESFP]

There may be some similarities, but nothing significant, they have nothing to do with each other.
I knew a girl with Aspergers in another forum and you could easily notice that there was something odd. They have no empathy at all, you make a joke, they dont get it; you try to be friendly, they ignore you; they can be suddenly very harsh for no reason; etc. They have very narrowly focused interest which they are very constant with, not like INTPs, and they talk weirdly with no use of any kind of body language. Aspergers is not a matter of personality, its a neurological problem, a kind of lesser autism.

Hm, I haven't read up on it but I have a friend who was diagnosed with AS and I think she's an INTP but she's very aware, caring, considerate, creative, and a really goodwriter. lol Did some great romance scenes that were more real and feely than what some people without AS could do.

Then there's people like Temple Grandin. She seems really empathetic.

 

[Paladin-X]

There may be some similarities, but nothing significant, they have nothing to do with each other.
I knew a girl with Aspergers in another forum and you could easily notice that there was something odd. They have no empathy at all, you make a joke, they dont get it; you try to be friendly, they ignore you; they can be suddenly very harsh for no reason; etc. They have very narrowly focused interest which they are very constant with, not like INTPs, and they talk weirdly with no use of any kind of body language. Aspergers is not a matter of personality, its a neurological problem, a kind of lesser autism.

There is a difference between having empathy and showing it. Aspies have a wealth of empathy, but may not know how to show it. But every Aspie is different. Just like the average person. Some have more empathy, some have less.

Similarly, Aspies have a sense of humour and enjoy comedy. The tougher jokes to understand are probably the dry, sarcastic ones.

 

[MerlinLuna]

I fall under both categories, and only read a single comment or two, I don't know if I'm repeating anything. Deal with it y'all.
The similarities are in fact so similar I cannot identify what strength is due to which classification, but the drawbacks are a lot more severe with Aspergers. Social interaction for me isn't just boring and a waste of time (which it usually is among those less intelligent), no to me it's an absolute nightmare. AS (Aspergers Syndrome) and INTP are too similar to work well together, as opposites attract, and the immense strain to learn everything along with the anxiety of inevitably failing, yet repeatedly setting goals outside of reach with such a state of fright. I live in a constant state of anxiety, and have had few meaningful relationships, half the time I wish I never had aspergers at all, but then later on I'll be creating something remarkable and am glad to have the double edged sword at my disposal.

 

[BigApplePi]

@MerlinLuna

Social interaction for me isn't just boring and a waste of time ... no to me it's an absolute nightmare.

My knowledge of Asperger's is limited, but what about social interaction with people who DO know Asperger's. Wouldn't they be talkable to and beneficial?

Let me say a few words about myself as an INTP. On this forum I mostly concentrate on thinking in a broad way. I've made posts about theory where I've deliberately tried to remove all emotions, feelings, etc. To put those in would ruin objectivity.

At the same time if I put in my feelings (which I neglect) that might make for better writing. You did that when you used the word, "nightmare." Good for you.

 

[pixieness]

I suppose you could say that aspies are likely to fall into the INTP personality type category but INTPs do not behave in many of the ways aspies do (eg, not understanding jokes, getting nervous when in social situations to the point of it having physical impact, etc).

 

[sushi]

aspie are characterized as people with obssessive interests and lack of social skills.

top 5% of the IQ population on the planet , cancer researchers, and eggheads teaching in university all have this problem, its just a fucking dumb label. Aspergers would probably be wiped out if we burn all the books, so people can no longer masturbate in the library. We then go back living in the prehistoric age and learn to socialize with each other instead.

don't see much difference between that and introversion.

 

[ENTP lurker]

I do not belive in Asperger's. However once I read original paper of H Asperger I would agree with that as a category. I think many psychiatric categories have very hazy level applicapility. The definition can go from lower level abstraction to higher level and now sky is the limit. Therefore they are ending up clumbing too different symptoms and people into one which is great disservice to all. Like social awkwardness in terms lack of assertiviness and bookishness = total disregard of social etiquette! What? Troubles with relations let's make a room for that and so on. If categories are flexible you end up grouping Vladimir Putin, too sensitive souls and a person who has visible neurological problems into one great assburger basket. Is that sensible? I have seen this.