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I've been over there a bit these days. They have many interesting discussions and you can tell that several members are real experts in their field, but the stuborness and animosity are there also and can get a little frustrating sometimes.

All in all its a pretty cool place.
 

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I was active there in the early days and really appreciated some of the quirky posters.

My impression of INTJs based on that? Funny individualists that act mysteriously the same. :p

In general the guys came over as chauvinistic. And it seems once an INTJs mind is made up they just stop listening... I received the impression that there was quite a bit of 'not listening' to one another going on. The girls seemed somewhat less staid.

Quirky and staid. What a combination.

I think I lost interest about the time an extraordinary number of inane topics (eg. walking fast - an INTJ trait?) became the most popular threads. But it was fun for a while. ;)

Jezebel helped here in the early days of this forum.
 

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Ok just had a skim through. I used to be best friends with an INTJ and this has brought back so many memories, I could imagine him being behind every post on there, its halarious.
They try to have this absolute cold logic and finality to every statement.
Read a thread about crying and all posters said they have only cried once because it is inefficient except for one who said: "Working backwards from the last question: tears secrete prolactin, a stress hormone, and a few other hormones I didn't recognize.

Since I learned about that, I cry pretty much whenever I feel like it. I just see it as unremarkable hormonal maintenance, so it's hard to guess a number. I'd say maybe twice as week, but almost daily for the last few weeks.

With me, there aren't any underlying psychological or emotional reasons, my body just finds an excuse when it needs to cry, thinks something up. Most recently, I think the problem's been high cortisol, low oxytocin - "loneliness", to normal people."

If you know an INTJ well enough to get really annoyed at there type you might find this qoute as funny as i did.
 

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I smiled at that^

So INTJ.
 

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I've browsed there before, as I used to think I was INTJ. I never made an account though. I liked how thorough some of the poster's explanations of various MBTI terms were. Some ppl did seem a bit disparaging of INTPs though.
 

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I occasionally post there. It's a really weird juxtaposition though. The females are brilliant, quirky and fun, while the males come off as supercomputers, extremely cold (coming from an INTP), chauvinistic, and unwilling to change their opinions.

There are exceptions on both sides though. Overall a cool place, though occasionally predictable.
 

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It's pretty cool, but there are way too many people there. And they don't let you have any avatar there...it has to be really tiny. They can't resize it automatically. Which sucks.

And the layout here is so much better...this is why I'm proud to be an INTP :D

But the INTJs there seem pretty cool. I just like this forum better. :)
 
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Some of their insights are interesting, but as a whole, they are just way too enamored of themselves. Their dismissive attitude towards us INTP's (e.g. were indecisive and wishy-washy) also turned me off.
 

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I have lurked on the INTJ forum before, but I find the INTP forum to be a lot more colorful (figuratively speaking). The INTJ's on that forum pick a topic, discuss it, and move on with an economy of words that just does not do the topic justice. For many INTP's it's not enough to discuss a topic and make a point, one must do it with a certain style or lilt.

Take for example the Political Correctness thread that was started by Corinthian a while ago (by the way, what has happened to Corinthian? I hope we haven't scared him away). It started as a "can you believe what happened in class today " complaint and quickly evolved into a rather spirited bullshit thread. But unlike many bullshit threads, this was a bullshit thread with a purpose: to expose the bullshit of Political Correctness whilst at the same time making fun of it. This had the added benifit of stress relief. I think the INTJ's could learn a lot from our sort of insanity. What do you think?
 

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Dang, those threads are too dense. I like our succinctness!

Some of them, you can just tell, know their stuff cold, which is cool. My INTJ friends are like that. Me, I prefer to get one bit of information and try to see how it fits into everything else.

I think what Ermine said is funny, about them being cold (even for an INTP) supercomputers. Of course this is harsh but reading some of the threads I must agree it is not far off. It's probably a compliment for them really.
 

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And the INTJs win the award for the type most likely to utter the sentence "You have outlived your usefulness." :p
 

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^^ perhaps this is why some people think they may be evil?

Did you mean what I said? Or just the thread as a whole?
Anywho, yeah, people don't trust cold-supercomputers much. See: 2001: Space Odyssey, I Robot, Terminator, etc.

Being referred to as "mastermind" probably doesn't help much with public relations either.

Hello, this is Bill, he's a guardian. (nice positive ring)

Hello, this is Carl, he's a mastermind. (dun dun dun!) :eek::confused:
 

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And the INTJs win the award for the type most likely to utter the sentence "You have outlived your usefulness." :p

or maybe ENTJ
 

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Being referred to as "mastermind" probably doesn't help much with public relations either.

Hello, this is Bill, he's a guardian. (nice positive ring)

Hello, this is Carl, he's a mastermind. (dun dun dun!) :eek::confused:

I'm the opposite, even before I knew about MBTI.

He's a guardian. (Me: mkay...)

He's a mastermind. (Me: Cool! When can I meet this guy? He sounds interesting. What is he a mastermind of? etc.)
 

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The word Guardian can mean "the one who protects" to some people and a jailer to others. Mastermind is just a way of putting their potential evilness in a more positive light.
 

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^^ what you said about them being cold. Some people may see as evil.

Right, well from what I've read from Keirsey most of the NT types (rationals) are seen as cold, to each other and the other types. Though, I think this is a lot of time more to do with demeanor than what they actually think. The classic line from other types to NT's is "you don't know I exist" or something similar. When confronted with these statements NTs are usually surprised. They care, they just feel like it's a weakness, emotions controlling them, so they hide it. Showing care is not as natural nor seen as a necessity.

Something like that I guess, maybe.
 
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They certainly seem very unemotional.
 

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I think the INTJ's could learn a lot from our sort of insanity. What do you think?

I've got to ask what you mean by the word "insanity" since I doubt most of you INTPs are "insane" in the traditional sense.
 

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Sometimes things look like insanity on the surface but actually make sense when you take the time to truly understand it. Then you find yourself stepping back again and looking at the "insanity" from the original position and wondering if you have become insane because you now have some understanding of the thing you originally thought was insane. It can be a bit unnerving at times.



What is labeled as insane can be a matter of perspective. When you loose yourself in something in order to understand it, you can loose perspective. Then you come back to your original perspective and it seems different somehow, and you wonder if you lost something in your investigation (it's like a kind of vertigo). My statement was a joke about a happy acceptance of what may or may not be (I.e. the loss of sanity or something like sanity)
 

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Based solely on that forum, INTJs come across as level-headed, cool, and decisive.

From my own personal experience, my INTJ friend and I share a special bond. Every INTP should have an INTJ sidekick, and vice versa (said with light humor, but a large grain of truth). My INTJ friend is full of wisdom and has no trouble defending his views on any topic, and I admire that. I have trouble defending my views sometimes because I have trouble compressing my ideas into a single summary, without much time to think and pull out the most accurate, precise, and meaningful answer I can.

We seem to have a special intuitive understanding of each other.
 

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Based solely on that forum, INTJs come across as level-headed, cool, and decisive.

From my own personal experience, my INTJ friend and I share a special bond. Every INTP should have an INTJ sidekick, and vice versa (said with light humor, but a large grain of truth). My INTJ friend is full of wisdom and has no trouble defending his views on any topic, and I admire that. I have trouble defending my views sometimes because I have trouble compressing my ideas into a single summary, without much time to think and pull out the most accurate, precise, and meaningful answer I can.

We seem to have a special intuitive understanding of each other.
Hey! INTJ here. I came over because my ears were burning... :D

Lestatican is so right; my best friend for well over a decade is an INTP, and we connect wonderfully. He slaps me when I jump to conclusions; I sometimes prod him into making decisions; we both understand each other wonderfully.

I can't speak for all INTJs, but I'm definitely not unemotional; as said, it's just sometimes difficult to express them. The poster that mentioned the thread about crying chose the oddest possible examples to exhibit (BostonIan can be a little weird); several posters, such as myself, talked about how we cried like anyone else.

Anyway, I love you guys! You're like my perfect complement.
 

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Sometimes things look like insanity on the surface but actually make sense when you take the time to truly understand it. Then you find yourself stepping back again and looking at the "insanity" from the original position and wondering if you have become insane because you now have some understanding of the thing you originally thought was insane. It can be a bit unnerving at times.

What is labeled as insane can be a matter of perspective. When you loose yourself in something in order to understand it, you can loose perspective. Then you come back to your original perspective and it seems different somehow, and you wonder if you lost something in your investigation (it's like a kind of vertigo). My statement was a joke about a happy acceptance of what may or may not be (I.e. the loss of sanity or something like sanity)

So it's the ability to be able to lose yourself in a mess of arbitrary facts and ideas without feeling the need to organize them in order to see the logic behind them?

In that case, if it's just a matter of INTJs learning to let go and enjoy the thinking process without feeling the need to come to conclusions then yes we could probably learn a thing or two from ye INTPs ;).
 

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I've got to ask what you mean by the word "insanity" since I doubt most of you INTPs are "insane" in the traditional sense.

I'd actually bet that there are at least a few here who would be considered insane in the traditional sense. I'd also bet that nearly everybody else here rejects the traditional bounds of sanity. There's just too much pathologizing of differences in the psychological world for me to take their diagnoses of insanity very seriously. Like gray said... and I'm coming to agree with this more and more as I grow up... the traditional sense of things is too tied up in perspective.
 

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I'd actually bet that there are at least a few here who would be considered insane in the traditional sense. I'd also bet that nearly everybody else here rejects the traditional bounds of sanity. There's just too much pathologizing of differences in the psychological world for me to take their diagnoses of insanity very seriously. Like gray said... and I'm coming to agree with this more and more as I grow up... the traditional sense of things is too tied up in perspective.

Alright so clearly INTP limits are stretched beyond the social norm of what is considered sanity and insanity...where do you guys draw the line, if one exists?
 

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Blasphemy. Insanity is just another word for unrecognized genius.
 

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Overconfidence is strongly correlated with INTPs.


I don't think so. It is mostly self-mockery I'd say.
Often I have problems with that because most people don't understand irony and are rather gullible anyway.
INTP in general are more often than not aware of their talents and know what they can do and what they cannot do. No, I even noticed that many INTP have a low self-esteem - and I blame society for that.
Also, I think that INTJ are more prone to overestimate their capabilities.

And don't forget - a MBTI type is not a planet of hats and there are surely some of us out there who are mercilessly overconfident.
 
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I don't think so. It is mostly self-mockery I'd say.
Often I have problems with that because most people don't understand irony and are rather gullible anyway.
INTP in general are more often than not aware of their talents and know what they can do and what they cannot do. No, I even noticed that many INTP have a low self-esteem - and I blame society for that.
Also, I think that INTJ are more prone to overestimate their capabilities.

And don't forget - a MBTI type is not a planet of hats and there are surely some of us out there who are mercilessly overconfident.

I was kidding, Anthile. Stop being overconfident with your assumptions. Kidding again.
 

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OooOOOoHhhh This Double Agentry Is Killing MeeEEee.

hurrhurr 911 posts you should start a war or something.
 
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