INFP's - Explained

[Black Rose]

INFP's are Fi dominate so I am very interested what this means for my reactions with people here. I think Fi makes me know the distinction between my motives compared others motives. But I hold back in my putting mine above theirs. I want a person to understand their choices and to know what personal reasons they have for acting on their goals. "How will they learn life lessons without full awareness of the real truth how they seceded"

I feel like the honesty of my Fi doesn't work as often as I want it to but I cant go against it. My Ne allows me to know what is possible and my Si helps me remember what kinds of people would listen to my Te explanations of the obstacles blinding them from seeing their weaknesses.

 

[EvilScientist Trainee]

The reaction is . Capitalized.

Just kidding. I'm one of your tribe also, just in hiding.

For me, Fi manifests itself in the following statement: "There is no wrong, just conflicting points of view." Therefore, I end up not falling into any sides of an argument, and avoid it altogether.

 

[CoryJames]

Am I the only person in this forum with almost no knowledge of all these two letter combinations and what they imply? They seem to have permeated to every thread, and it makes me feel ignorant. I do not have the time at the moment to look them up. .

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Explain INFPs? They are INTP-oids; they have this thing called feelings.

Am I the only person in this forum with almost no knowledge of all these two letter combinations and what they imply? They seem to have permeated to every thread, and it makes me feel ignorant. I do not have the time at the moment to look them up. .

Seriously? They are called functions. i and e represent introverted and extroverted, respectively.

 

[Jesse]

Don't worry CoryJames. I don't pay attention to all these types and functions.

 

[CoryJames]

I'm not worried. It's just that...unlike a lot of people here apparently...I come for the debate and the intelligent discussion and the theorizing and philosophizing and psychoanalyzing. When people shift the thread from the big picture and theoretical stuff and start breaking out there Te's and Se's and Fi's and whatnot, I feel like people are leaving me out....this makes James sad.

 

[LPolaright]

I'm not worried. It's just that...unlike a lot of people here apparently...I come for the debate and the intelligent discussion and the theorizing and philosophizing and psychoanalyzing. When people shift the thread from the big picture and theoretical stuff and start breaking out there Te's and Se's and Fi's and whatnot, I feel like people are leaving me out....this makes James sad.

Actually I felt like that too not so long ago, until I've learnt the letters and their meanings - it let's you talk about specific incidents in more details.

As for general conversation and theorizing, they do not help too much as each combination is rather relative. So, yeah... Maybe we should use a little bit less functions and a little bit more theoretical discussions. But they do give another dimension for understanding especially after you realize some parts explain behavior! It's actually quite amazing...

Have you ever thought about learning these? The point of view that it unlocks is great. That is probably why people are drawn to them.

I actually came here to recognize the individuality of each person and acquire another tool to analyze someone - getting his values and point of view faster then before, helping me with Mentalism.
I discoverd I can debate and theorize here as-well and that made me happy inside .

 

[CoryJames]

I am sure I will learn them eventually. Unfortunately, tonight I am pulling an all-nighter and writing a ten page paper, so I do not have the means to learn them.

I did learn something new recently though, my....Enneagram Type...3, the achiever. Didn't know about those before.

 

[LPolaright]

I did learn something new recently though, my....Enneagram Type...3, the achiever. Didn't know about those before.

What's an Enneagram?

 

[CoryJames]

Idk. I took a test for it though. I was testing the waters of the personality cafe forums and it came up. Did you know they have a whole category about sex and relationships over there? Pretty heavy shit. They aren't as fun though, and they actually believe in staying on topic and get awfully pissy if you don't.

 

[LPolaright]

Idk. I took a test for it though. I was testing the waters of the personality cafe forums and it came up. Did you know they have a whole category about sex and relationships over there? Pretty heavy shit. They aren't as fun though, and they actually believe in staying on topic and get awfully pissy if you don't.

Sounds like hell for us

It's probably J dominant


AS for the actual OP and I might be a bit wrong about it - but Si in the tertiary makes people kind of hypochondriac, at-least by my observation. People seem to be rather focused on their mental and physical health and maybe sometimes even try to attract attention with it. But we seem kind of distant from it as it is not our dominant functions and we don't go in-depth with our perceptions of illnesses - we only study few symptoms and go like "OMFG, I have that disease".

Again though, I might be wrong.

 

[Black Rose]

AS for the actual OP and I might be a bit wrong about it - but Si in the tertiary makes people kind of hypochondriac, at-least by my observation. People seem to be rather focused on their mental and physical health and maybe sometimes even try to attract attention with it. But we seem kind of distant from it as it is not our dominant functions and we don't go in-depth with our perceptions of illnesses - we only study few symptoms and go like "OMFG, I have that disease".

Again though, I might be wrong.

Dominate - Gives me my values. I want to share my personal understandings with others.

Auxiliary - Shows me the possibilities/imaginations of where my values can be applied in the environment.

Tertiary - Cross references current five sense's data with my past memorizes/actions leading to achievement or failure of my values.

Inferior - Prioritizes possibilities/imaginations generated by the Auxiliary based on logical rules of the environment. Protocols are formed/mentally tested to see if they will not violate my values. They are logged into Tertiary after testing in the real world.


All of these can come under my conscience control when developed. If all are developed adequately we make fewer mistakes gaining self confidence. Placed in the wrong environment they may not develop leading to many mistakes that create emotional stress.

Shadow functions are sub-conscience. They work without my ability to "know" how well developed they are. Using shadow functions causes us to go against our natural behavior mechanisms leading to neurosis (confusion of who we are, what we should do in life).

 

[CoryJames]

That is just the order right? Do all INTPs have the same lineup?

 

[Black Rose]

That is just the order right? Do all INTPs have the same lineup?

All of the 16 types have this line up. That how the MBTI works.

 

[CoryJames]

You misunderstand, Inception-Cat.

I mean...there are what, 8 functions? I meant, do all INTPs have the same dominant function, secondary function, auxiliary function, etc. Do all INTPs have the same lineup.

 

[Bird]

I'm not worried. It's just that...unlike a lot of people here apparently...I come for the debate and the intelligent discussion and the theorizing and philosophizing and psychoanalyzing. When people shift the thread from the big picture and theoretical stuff and start breaking out there Te's and Se's and Fi's and whatnot, I feel like people are leaving me out....this makes James sad.

Wait --- is this a confession that you
have feelings? Is this allowed?

 

[Black Rose]

You misunderstand, Inception-Cat.

I mean...there are what, 8 functions? I meant, do all INTPs have the same dominant function, secondary function, auxiliary function, etc. Do all INTPs have the same lineup.

Yes. By MBTI definition.

INTP - Wikipedia

Dominant: Introverted thinking (Ti)
Auxiliary: Extraverted intuition (Ne)
Tertiary: Introverted sensing (Si)
Inferior: Extraverted feeling (Fe)

 

[LPolaright]

Dominate - Gives me my values. I want to share my personal understandings with others.

Auxiliary - Shows me the possibilities/imaginations of where my values can be applied in the environment.

Tertiary - Cross references current five sense's data with my past memorizes/actions leading to achievement or failure of my values.

Inferior - Prioritizes possibilities/imaginations generated by the Auxiliary based on logical rules of the environment. Protocols are formed/mentally tested to see if they will not violate my values. They are logged into Tertiary after testing in the real world.

All of these can come under my conscience control when developed. If all are developed adequately we make fewer mistakes gaining self confidence. Placed in the wrong environment they may not develop leading to many mistakes that create emotional stress.

Shadow functions are sub-conscience. They work without my ability to "know" how well developed they are. Using shadow functions causes us to go against our natural behavior mechanisms leading to neurosis (confusion of who we are, what we should do in life).

Oh rats! I was taking the Socionic's definitions of these functions. Didn't even notice it was an MBTI discussion.

You misunderstand, Inception-Cat.

I mean...there are what, 8 functions? I meant, do all INTPs have the same dominant function, secondary function, auxiliary function, etc. Do all INTPs have the same lineup.

Yes James we all have the same lineup which derives from our MBTI letters INTP:
Ti - Ne - Fi - Fe

A method to transpose from MBTI letters to functions can be found here. They also give you an explanation for each function.

 

[CoryJames]

Why do we have two extraverted functions in our main four? I thought we were supposed to be a rather reserved bunch.

 

[LPolaright]

Why do we have two extraverted functions in our main four? I thought we were supposed to be a rather reserved bunch.

Take a look at.

I just replied on this thread and it disappeared

Anyways, apparently I took the Socionics definitions for the function (Shame).

Everyone has two extraverted functions and two introverted that compliment each other.

 

[Words]

Kitty, INFP? You definitely "display" abundant Te Fi, but Ne? Why not INTJ? Ni explains your often "interesting" perspectives.

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And, ah, yes. What are these functions? How were they arranged and defined as such?

 

[CoryJames]

I will look when I have more time and get back to you. Thank you good sir.

 

[Black Rose]

Kitty, INFP? You definitely "display" abundant Te Fi, but Ne? Why not INTJ? Ni explains your often "interesting" perspectives.

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And, ah, yes. What are these functions? How were they arranged and defined as such?

That is a difficult question for me to answer about myself. It has to do with how Ni or Ne is used by the INTJ and INFP personality types.

In INTJ's Ni creates new ideas from collected data i.e. memory that could be considerd imposible. Ti knows exactly how to explain these ideas by the rules of linguistics known by the INTJ. Fi is used to reflect on the mood others show when confronted by Ti. Se sends present and immediate details/information to Fi.

INTJ's with an undeveloped Fi and/or Se are slower to become aware that they have caused a social blunder because relevant information is not sent from Se to Fi or if Fi doesn't recognize that information do to underdevelopment.

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In INFP's Fi immediately detects good or bad moods socially/environmentally. Ne recognizes how the environment can change as possible or as impossible. Fi can reject or accept them based on the mood generated by them. Si creates actions immediately by recognizing the present events as correlations with past events that seceded in bringing harmony (Fi) to others or the environment.

Te evaluates Ne in their relationship to Si and Fi. The best way to achieve Fi is to compare all possibilities form Ne not rejected by Fi and put a probability on how each one will bring about new Si (a fast memory reaction). Te tells Si to remember Ne in relation to how much Fi rejects or accepts each idea Ne generates.

 

[Bird]

Sounds like hell for us

It's probably J dominant


AS for the actual OP and I might be a bit wrong about it - but Si in the tertiary makes people kind of hypochondriac, at-least by my observation. People seem to be rather focused on their mental and physical health and maybe sometimes even try to attract attention with it. But we seem kind of distant from it as it is not our dominant functions and we don't go in-depth with our perceptions of illnesses - we only study few symptoms and go like "OMFG, I have that disease".

Again though, I might be wrong.

My J forum gets off topic all the time.

 

[CoryJames]

Yea well we all know J stands for a "you're all a bunch of Jack-n-apes"

 

[Bird]

What are you talking about.

 

[CoryJames]

Dunno. I think I am losing my mind a bit right now. I am pretty sure that term comes from a movie that I found funny, and the letter J reminded me of it.

 

[EvilScientist Trainee]

Kitty, INFP? You definitely "display" abundant Te Fi, but Ne? Why not INTJ? Ni explains your often "interesting" perspectives.

I also thought that he was some kind of Ni dominant. Especially after I reminded of these threads:

INFJ or ENFJ
Is it normal for ENFJs believe in conspiracies?
If I'm INFJ can I stay?

Are you sure that you are a INFP, OP?

 

[Black Rose]

I also thought that he was some kind of Ni dominant. Especially after I reminded of these threads:

INFJ or ENFJ
Is it normal for ENFJs believe in conspiracies?
If I'm INFJ can I stay?

Are you sure that you are a INFP, OP?

Yes. I am sure.

This, somewhat portentous essence of character is perhaps the most prominent in the INFP psyche. This shows that unlike an Extroverted Feeler whose primary goal in life tends to be ‘to love’, the INFP finds it more important ‘to be loved’. An Extroverted Feeler would wish to make an emotional attachment under all circumstances, whilst the Introverted Feeler would experience intense reservations unless they thought that what they have inputted would truly be appreciated. This seems to evince that the function of Introverted Feeling gives one a more direct access to the essence of pure feeling than extroverted. For this reason the INFP tends to be more aware of whether or not their input has been appreciated on the level it deserved to be. Their longing for harmony first and foremost leads them to make intense emotional attachments to ideas that they are compelled by from a person-centered perspective. And since they are unable to remove themselves from the situations that their minds place them in, they very much envision themselves as having the basic emotional human needs. Due to their inability to detach, they always envision themselves as protagonists in their reveries. Fi gives them a direct view of their personality, from a person-centered perspective.

 

[Black Rose]

That is a difficult question for me to answer about myself. It has to do with how Ni or Ne is used by the INTJ and INFP personality types.

I was using the word "difficult" because the MBTI is complex to explain and I pushed my shadow Ti function to its limits doing so. I feel more connected to the way INFP's use their functions than to INTJ's.

 

[EvilScientist Trainee]

Don't worry, I am not too sure of my type either.

INFP just seem to fit myself more comfortably by now. Perhaps you may feel the same. Going on a different road than you, I may actually believe that I am an INFJ. I feel too logical to be INFP and too feel-ey to be INTP. Maybe i'm a Ti modulated INFJ.

So, i'm no person to be picky about others people validation of personality.

 

[Gather_Wanderer]

Oh rats! I was taking the Socionic's definitions of these functions. Didn't even notice it was an MBTI discussion.




Yes James we all have the same lineup which derives from our MBTI letters INTP:
Ti - Ne - Fi - Fe

A method to transpose from MBTI letters to functions can be found here. They also give you an explanation for each function.

Wow. I actually recently decided to nearly abandon the MBTI, as it has been leaving me with much confusion as to typing others (and myself). I'll be the first to admit that I've been taking my time with getting into Jung's original theory. That link, in addition to other recent readings, just did me a great service in clarifying some things/answering some questions I had about the differences in functions.

I have much more reading to do.

 

[PINT]

For me, Fi manifests itself in the following statement: "There is no wrong, just conflicting points of view."

What if I assert that there is such a thing as 'wrong'? Would you say I am wrong?

 

[EvilScientist Trainee]

What if I assert that there is such a thing as 'wrong'? Would you say I am wrong?

No, we just have conflicting point of views.

 

[CoryJames]

For one of you to be right, another must be wrong. A fight to the death, I say.

 

[SpaceYeti]

No, we just have conflicting point of views.

And you're is wrong.

Proof; 1+1=3 is wrong.

 

[EvilScientist Trainee]

Damn logic, my worse weakness~!

*goes all dracula after being stabbed in the chest by vampire slayers*

 

[CoryJames]

Yo Bill Nye. You should call him out on his grammatical error, and say that if you are in error there, what else could be in error. Possibly his whole argument! That sort of logic works in our legal system all the time...

 

[Black Rose]

Yo Bill Nye. You should call him out on his grammatical error, and say that if you are in error there, what else could be in error. Possibly his whole argument! That sort of logic works in our legal system all the time...

Don't take it personally but...

How dare you reference judging my arguments based on the *standards* of the legal system!

I actual believe in truth and justice. To bad moral retards tell us what laws we should obey.

 

[Words]

No, we just have conflicting point of views.

Based on the context, doesn't this still translate to stating "wrong"? To assert one proposition is to deny its opposite.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Not in hippy world!

Also, who said I said it that way in error?

I mean.. I did, but I do sometimes do the wording strangely for no reason better than that it amuses me.

 

[Black Rose]

Not in hippy world!

Also, who said I said it that way in error?

I mean.. I did, but I do sometimes do the wording strangely for no reason better than that it amuses me.

Hippy was a term used to denote people derogatorily as nieve about how to bring about world peace. This made it difficult to take serious anyone who had the intellect of Martin Luther King Jr. yet dressed funny and looked into eastern philosophy.

"Wrong" is a value judgment about factual information.

Something is deemed "wrong" when it creates bad emotions related the existence of an idea or physical object. Wrong things are deemed not worthy of existence.

EvilScientist Trainee is saying people deserve to exist even if they have faulty information about the world. He is saying that its not wrong to make mistakes. Mistakes do not make people inherently bad.

 

[pjoa09]

i don't like wrong i like incorrect. "1+1 = 3" : INCORRECT. "1+2=3" : CORRECT

What if i wrote:
"1+1 = 3" : WRONG. "1+2=3" : RIGHT

Sounds like I should be burning someone on a stake for telling me the world is round.

But seriously, the thing I hate most about INFPs.

Me: I love Stalin, he really helped the country. Got rid of a lot of retards.
Them: NO, YOU FUCKING IGNORANT DOUCHEBAG, HE MURDERED INNOCENT PEOPLE!!!
Me: What? Well you got to agree with retards.
Them: *gone far far away to seek world peace and suffering for all of humanity or that's what they said before they went to some party to get drunk with some friends*

 

[Black Rose]

i don't like wrong i like incorrect. "1+1 = 3" : INCORRECT. "1+2=3" : CORRECT

What if i wrote:
"1+1 = 3" : WRONG. "1+2=3" : RIGHT

Sounds like I should be burning someone on a stake for telling me the world is round.

But seriously, the thing I hate most about INFPs.

Me: I love Stalin, he really helped the country. Got rid of a lot of retards.
Them: NO, YOU FUCKING IGNORANT DOUCHEBAG, HE MURDERED INNOCENT PEOPLE!!!
Me: What? Well you got to agree with retards.
Them: *gone far far away to seek world peace and suffering for all of humanity or that's what they said before they went to some party to get drunk with some friends*

This only shows the negative affects being an underdeveloped INFP.

I would respond: Stalin thought that fear was a good foundation for how to run society. But when the people of the Soviet Union stopped being afraid of their leaders it collapsed. They stopped participating in the lies the government propagandists were giving them.

 

[CoryJames]

EvilScientist Trainee is saying people deserve to exist even if they have faulty information about the world. He is saying that its not wrong to make mistakes. Mistakes do not make people inherently bad.

Define information here.

 

[Black Rose]

Define information here.

Conflicting viewpoints happen when we are ignorant of another persons psychology.

EvilScientist Trainee See's this ignorance as not bad but sad, it causes conflict (which is bad) but people still deserve to exist. The conflict between people does not.

 

[CoryJames]

Ignorant of their psychology? Or unable to find a common language with which to understand their value system, or as we debated here a few weeks back, their "belief-desire" system.

 

[EvilScientist Trainee]

Ignorant of their psychology? Or unable to find a common language with which to understand their value system, or as we debated here a few weeks back, their "belief-desire" system.

Exactly that. Conflicts happens because one cannot see the other point of view, meaning that it is a communication flaw.

Just to clear the wrong right thing: I understand that there are right and wrong, logically. 1+1 cannot be 3, if 1 = 1. I meant in terms of overall conflict between people.

For instance, the stalin example someone gave above: There is no wrong, because while stalin made advancements to the country (a good thing), he still was a rough leader, ruling with ruthless method(a bad thing). In the end, you and people will disagree because you're seeing the situation from different perspectives, but I can't tell if one is right or wrong.

In other words, I can't say if the bad thing outweighs the good thing. That's a moral weighing that's beyond my skills.

 

[AutumnTree]

Exactly that. Conflicts happens because one cannot see the other point of view, meaning that it is a communication flaw.

I think the rise of conflict stems from the inability to accept the other's viewpoint, rather than not understanding it. Of course, not understanding their point at all makes it hard to accept it, which could then lead to conflict.

If two persons didn't understood the others point, but remained calm and constructive in order to sort it out there wouldn't need to be conflict. Remaining calm is key.

If two persons did understand the other but didn't accept the other's argument there could be conflict even without communication problems. Unfortunately not all conflicts can be solved with improved communication.

I can agree, though, that a lot of our conflicts today comes from not understanding what the other meant or not seeing where they're coming from. Actually, I have noticed that after long fights it often turns out that the original points of view were pretty similar. We just didn't see it at first.

 

[EvilScientist Trainee]

@AutumnTree

That's something I had not considered before. Thanks for putting that up.

And yes, I not only agree with you, but must say that your suggestion is far more encompassing than mine. Miscommunication can difficult the acception of an argument, but even if two people can understand the message that the other says, arguments can still exist.

That brings into account other people experiences, which is an important part of the formation of an individual's values.

Kudos for you.