INFJs mistyped as INTP, INTJ, ISTP

[wonkavision]

Interesting video by the people at Pod'Lair Planet (who I am in no way affiliated with, except that they gave me a reading and I found it helpful.)

Reasons why Nai'Xyy (INFJ correlate) mistype as Adaptive and/or Logic-Based "types" (Mojo Configurations) such as Zai'Nyy (INTP correlate), Nai'Zyy (INTJ correlate), or Zai'Vyy (ISTP correlate):

http://www.veengle.com/v/vmsBd

I guess you probably need to be somewhat well-versed in Pod'Lair to fully understand this video, but oh well. That's on you. I aint your Mama.

 

[own8ge]

@Chad
@C.Hecker88

 

[Obsidian]

With Pod'Lair the world revolves around the Nai Xyy

 

[Paladin-X]

With Pod'Lair the world revolves around the Nai Xyy

Then it's not much different than MBTI, with everyone thinking they might be an INFJ. :O

 

[Montresor]

Then it's not much different than MBTI, with everyone thinking they might be an INFJ. :O

For some reason I think an inordinate amount of people are mistyped as INTP and INTJ.

 

[own8ge]

Then it's not much different than MBTI, with everyone thinking they might be an INFJ. :O

In MBTI everyone thinks themselves to be a xxTx, (INTJ and especially) INTP in particular. And with a better understanding of the theory, they are wondering... Hmkay, perhaps I'm not an INTP. Let's consider the coolest F-type: INFJ. And because being an INFJ is stated to be rare, they will be thinking:"Ah them I'm also cool, because I'm special."

EDIT: Hey Montresor, Are stealing my thoughts and quickly post these before I have the opportunity? (I'm merely kidding, don't take it serious. lol, I'm noting that because if some1 told me this, I'm that guy that might have taken it serious. hehe)

 

[Absurdity]

I saw the shitty production quality of the video and the dumb names they have for different types and just thought, "No."

 

[Obsidian]

@Paladin-X

Thinking you *might* be an INFJ is reasonable. As far as I can remember, I have considered INTP, ENTP, ENFJ, ENTJ, INTJ, INFJ, INFP, ISFJ, and ISTP for myself. But definitively calling yourself an INFJ is something else. (I am still a little on the fence between INTP and ENTP.) According to MBTI, INFJ is supposed to be the rarest type.

@Montresor, I've definitely come across some INTP videos that struck me more as depicting Fi-users. But it does stand to reason that internet forums would have a disproportionate number of INTPs. So just the sheer number of supposed INTPs does not seem incredible on its face.

 

[own8ge]

@Montresor, I've definitely come across some INTP videos that struck me more as depicting Fi-users.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfKvH8pQn5A&feature=plcp
E.g. This is an INFP.

 

[BloodCountess88]

For some reason I think an inordinate amount of people are mistyped as INTP and INTJ.

I agree. I think a lot of INFP idolize the type that meets their personal set of morals/standards and therefore categorize themselves as it based on such emotions.

From another angle, many INTP women get wrongfully thought of as INFP's. Specially the ones that suck at math. Sadly, I am inept when it comes to numbers and have been accused of being mistyped. I'm often told I could be an ENFP, mostly by people who don't personally know me.

And that's another dilemma for me: What sounds more like you? I don't know, given different set of circumstances in my upbringing the possibilities are endless. There could be so many variables, I don't think I can be "this exact person" nor I understand why one would idolize a specific type. There are so many dowsides, so many pro's even just taking INFP and INTP. How do you consciously choose what to be and what to aim to be?

 

[Obsidian]

@own8ge

I could potentially go with ISTJ for that girl. Not positive.

edit -- actually, nm. I finished watching the video. INFP

 

[own8ge]

@own8ge

I could potentially go with ISTJ for that girl. Not positive.

She is an INFP. Trust me.

 

[wonkavision]

With Pod'Lair the world revolves around the Nai Xyy

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, but yeah, Pod'Lair does seem to reflect a particularly Nai'Xyy lens/worldview, which is not surprising, given that the founder/orginator of the theory/system is a Nai'Xyy.

I also have noted, as others have pointed out, that Pod'Lair seems to read an extraordinary amount of people as Nai'Xyy. But I have no opinion just yet about why that might be the case.

In any case, it does seem that tons of people mistype (misread) themselves, and that Nai'Xyy in particular often misread themselves as Adaptive and/or Logic-Based for the reasons cited in the video.

 

[own8ge]

With Pod'Lair the world revolves around the Nai Xyy

In MBTI, the world resolves around INTP.
idk what is worse.

 

[Montresor]

@Paladin-X

Thinking you *might* be an INFJ is reasonable. As far as I can remember, I have considered INTP, ENTP, ENFJ, ENTJ, INTJ, INFJ, INFP, ISFJ, and ISTP for myself. But definitively calling yourself an INFJ is something else. (I am still a little on the fence between INTP and ENTP.) According to MBTI, INFJ is supposed to be the rarest type.

@Montresor, I've definitely come across some INTP videos that struck me more as depicting Fi-users. But it does stand to reason that internet forums would have a disproportionate number of INTPs. So just the sheer number of supposed INTPs does not seem incredible on its face.

I suspect that a statistical analysis of INTP forum members' TRUE types would yield results that more or less mirror those in society.

The MBTI test is skewed towards INTP. It's that simple. "All my life I thought I was the world's only non-judging, introverted, thinking, non-concrete, abstract non-feeling thinker".

INTP profiles glorify certain traits to the extent that anybody who reads it is like: OMGz I'm INTP!

The process happens like this:

- Test out as INTP/INTJ
- Read profiles
- Pick INTP
- Does not understand the revolving nature of Ti/Fe and Ne/Si
- Desperately looks for examples of Ne usage to confirm INTP hypothesis
- Discovers Se
- Thinks, wait, no ... I'm Si
- Doesn't understand Se vs. Si
- Concludes ISTP
- Still doesn't understand Se vs. Si
- Concludes Ni-dom

>>INFJ!

INFJ is cool, right? I'm still a snowflake.

Not INFJ.

It should be easy: anybody who is considering INFJ should be able to identify Fe across all situations. If it is pervasive, it should be easy to confirm whether Fe is dominant over Ti or not.

 

[Obsidian]

In MBTI, the world resolves around INTP.

I don't think it does. If anything, MBTI practitioners may just be inclined to type every smart person they can think of as an INTP.

 

[wonkavision]

I agree. I think a lot of INFP idolize the type that meets their personal set of morals/standards and therefore categorize themselves as it based on such emotions.

From another angle, many INTP women get wrongfully thought of as INFP's. Specially the ones that suck at math. Sadly, I am inept when it comes to numbers and have been accused of being mistyped. I'm often told I could be an ENFP, mostly by people who don't personally know me.

And that's another dilemma for me: What sounds more like you? I don't know, given different set of circumstances in my upbringing the possibilities are endless. There could be so many variables, I don't think I can be "this exact person" nor I understand why one would idolize a specific type. There are so many dowsides, so many pro's even just taking INFP and INTP. How do you consciously choose what to be and what to aim to be?

Pod'Lair claims to avoid all these problems by avoiding subjective self-assessment altogether and focusing on reading physiological cues.

While I disagree with some of the broader philosophical claims of Pod'Lair, it seems that when it comes to determining personality, the reading/cues-based approach is better than the typing/self-assessment one.

 

[Montresor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfKvH8pQn5A&feature=plcp
E.g. This is an INFP.

You really think so? I've watched some of this person's videos before. I was pretty well convinced on INTP for her, but she doesn't really demonstrate Ti dominance (on a second look).

She seems Fe>Ti to me this time around.

I dunno I'm still just playing around with this.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

In MBTI, the world resolves around INTP.
idk what is worse.

Both are pretty bad. Tis better to study the functions rather than the tests as after awhile you become biased and test the same type continuously. Though with Pod'lair I am unsure because I haven't looked into it much. Best left to someone who has. But they do type a fair few Nai Xyy.. (Weird names)

 

[Obsidian]

@Montresor
@own8ge

That girl just comes across to me like she is on drugs. She acts bizarre, in my opinion.

 

[own8ge]

It should be easy: anybody who is considering INFJ should be able to identify Fe across all situations. If it is pervasive, it should be easy to confirm whether Fe is dominant over Ti or not.

I agree on your post but this. An INFJ can force himself to fully neglect Fe, whereas Ti happily suppresses Fe in any given situation. Fe may arise questions and bad feelings about it but then they happily rationalize this with their Ti, and they continue going on like this. Ton's of INFJs are forced to do this due to environmental pressure. Besides, Ti in the INFJ is often very well developed as the INFJ is the utmost sensitive type there is. (Developing Ti, can overcome this in many situations by controlling Se stimuli.)

 

[Obsidian]

@Montresor

I don't think the MBTI glorifies INTPness. It does kind of demean the SFPs, maybe, and the ISTJs. Everyone else has a pretty cool description.

 

[own8ge]

Best left to someone who has.

I have studied their theory. I've watched all their videos and had dialogue with Pod'Lair.
However, they banned me eventually because they got butt-hurt by a joke I commented on a video of theirs. lol. So yeah, I know loads about PL. I recommend to study what they have to offer, but don't fall in the endless pit they are creating. Keep your own worldview. (That's my personal advice, inb4 discussion)

 

[nanook]

and once again, I can't tell if i'm too humble or too cowardly to post a response

such a question wouldn't even arise, if they wouldn't push the anger button so hard.

if they were capable of a gentle attitude, everyone could simply make genuine contributions and the unfit would loose interest in contributing unfounded criticism.

you know very well, that the deepest individuals are the least likely to enter a tough fight aka "competition" or "game". entering the stage with red-meme aggression is therefore a way of ensuring that no worthy complimentary opponent dares to enter the "battle ground", only idiots will arise and quickly slayed.

all this bitching about being constantly attacked by 'mere idiots' is self-generated. if you are gentle in expression, you ll'be attacked by idiots verry rarely and all the bright kids follow you.

best wishes to all sentient beings, including podlair folks

 

[nanook]

lmao glad to hear they banned you, makes it easier to trust you

 

[Obsidian]

Pod'Lair has trouble distinguishing between Fe and Fi. Pod'Lair way overtypes people as Intuitives, and as INFJs. And Pod'Lair has stupid terminology, rips on Carl Jung, and follows the ramblings of a glorious leader who makes contact with "spirits." Those are my main criticisms of it. Also, I am not a big fan of their eight-function theory.

I don't find their videos useful.

 

[wonkavision]

An INFJ can force himself to fully neglect Fe, whereas Ti happily suppresses Fe in any given situation. Fe may arise questions and bad feelings about it but then they happily rationalize this with their Ti, and they continue going on like this. Ton's of INFJs are forced to do this due to environmental pressure. Besides, Ti in the INFJ is often very well developed as the INFJ is the utmost sensitive type there is. (Developing Ti, can overcome this in many situations by controlling Se stimuli.)

Well said.

That's the "faux-Zen" described in the video.

 

[BloodCountess88]

Pod'Lair claims to avoid all these problems by avoiding subjective self-assessment altogether and focusing on reading physiological cues.

While I disagree with some of the broader philosophical claims of Pod'Lair, it seems that when it comes to determining personality, the reading/cues-based approach is better than the typing/self-assessment one.

Which makes sense, to a certain extent. Mannerisms and physical cues can be adjusted and variate from lifestyle to lifestyle. I had to adjust to my children, from learning to sign to using a certain tone and structure of speech, which greatly differs from last year. This all following certain principles of the behavioral therapy and their specific needs. Extreme precision in word choice, selective and calculated tone, concrete models and prompting both physical and verbal. At least, if I were to submit a video talking about music, given the fact that I speak this calculated way for such a long time now (not naturally, intentionally) it might skew the results.
.
It would probably put me as an ISTP .

 

[wonkavision]

Which makes sense, to a certain extent. Mannerisms and physical cues can be adjusted and variate from lifestyle to lifestyle. I had to adjust to my children, from learning to sign to using a certain tone and structure of speech.
.
It would probably put me as an ISTP .

Maybe you should get your Mojo read and find out.

Then tell us the results.

Should be interesting.

 

[BloodCountess88]

Maybe you should get your Mojo read and find out.

Then tell us the results.

Should be interesting.

I'm going to send a video, I'm very curious now.

LOL Alice? when I went to their website for the first time that's all I could think of.

After reading the requirements I couldn't help but think, what do you talk about for 10+ minutes? A book report presentation is shorter....

 

[Impact Calculus]

But they do type a fair few Nai Xyy.. (Weird names)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JEamfe-pEU

@30 seconds in or so, it discusses the effect of specialized bubbles being massively dominated by just a few mojos.


Hence,

http://podlair.com/images/Typology Town.pdf


This doesn't mean that we read everybody as Nai'xyy. It simply means that this bubble happens to be heavily dominated by Nai'xyy and Ad'roms. Additionally, Politics is heavily dominated by Vai'xyy; And the human collective has shown itself to have a relatively even distribution of all mojos.

 

[wonkavision]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JEamfe-pEU

@30 seconds in or so, it discusses the effect of specialized bubbles being massively dominated by just a few mojos.


Hence,

http://podlair.com/images/Typology Town.pdf


This doesn't mean that we read everybody as Nai'xyy. It simply means that this bubble happens to be heavily dominated by Nai'xyy and Ad'roms. Additionally, Politics is heavily dominated by Vai'xyy; And the human collective has shown itself to have a relatively even distribution of all mojos.

Makes sense.

 

[Obsidian]

@Impact Calculus

Funny how even the ones who typed themselves as SPs and SJs turned out to be Nyys and Nais, according to your group. 100% intuitives on the list.

 

[Impact Calculus]

@Impact Calculus

Funny how even the ones who typed themselves as SPs and SJs turned out to be Nyys and Nais, according to your group.

Yep. Running off of irrelevant information can go a long way.

100% intuitives on the list.

Of course. We only read about 200 or so people. It's interesting that the only interpretive that we didn't happen to find on the list was a Zyy'nai. That remains pretty consistent with the celeb virtual village as well; as we have Zyy'nai on there, but it's far less than the other interpretives.

If you want some examples of literal mojos that we've read, you can go here:

http://podlair.com/images/Celebrity Virtual Village A-Z.pdf

 

[Words]

...I actually agree with several of Pod'lairs ideas. The fact that there are so many iNtuitives just clicks with me and many of their typings/readings also clicks with me at least based on an experiential level. (especially strange ones like that makemebad guy) And if you deconstruct this experience, you find that it connects well with the cues they so worship. Things like "Bifield face" and "midline face" interactively forms this particular "experience" of a particular type. It's like an emergent product of variations within a system. I also agree with their ideas of the functions, but then again my ideas of the functions are initially influenced by Adymus who is a member of Podlair. I agree with the number of INFJs around. I mean pshhh..my university is populated with INFJs. Certainly not the rarest type. I agree that type is natural. And there are many other controversial principles and observations that I agree with...

The only turn-off, which I think many can relate to, is the cultish mentality, the crazy ideological attitude, and the annoying themes...like the colors and the sounds etc. The names are ok. So, i think if you're in any way slightly interested in their ideas, try to focus on the content and try to ignore the people and the weird stuff and try not to let it affect your judgment of the content.

 

[Obsidian]

The fact that there are so many iNtuitives just clicks with me

So the fact that EVERYONE is an intuitive just clicks with you? Every single person on that whole list. Even the ones who self-identified as sensors.

 

[Words]

So the fact that EVERYONE is an intuitive just clicks with you? Every single person on that whole list. Even the ones who self-identified as sensors.

No. I wasn't exactly reacting to you. I agreed with the "idea" that there are many intuitives "in general." Much more than how conventional typology think there is. I'm not talking about a list. What list are we talking about? The Typology list? I think that's still pretty sensible. Typology is very abstract and all. The slightest interest in it I find is very definitive of being an intuitive.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

I have studied their theory. I've watched all their videos and had dialogue with Pod'Lair.
However, they banned me eventually because they got butt-hurt by a joke I commented on a video of theirs. lol. So yeah, I know loads about PL. I recommend to study what they have to offer, but don't fall in the endless pit they are creating. Keep your own worldview. (That's my personal advice, inb4 discussion)

I was explaining my lack of knowledge on the subject. Didn't mean to make it seem no one knew what they were talking about... Though with some people you can only wonder .

Impact Calculus.

That did make some sense. I may have to look further into it. If only for the sake of understanding the theory of Pod'Lair. And to sate my curiosity.

 

[Impact Calculus]

So the fact that EVERYONE is an intuitive just clicks with you? Every single person on that whole list. Even the ones who self-identified as sensors.

You're being erroneously silly. We grabbed 200 people from a very peculiar bubble, specifically within a subgroup that uploaded videos of themselves to youtube discussing the very peculiar topics of their bubble. Of course we're going to receive results like this.

 

[Brontosaurie]

what is that retarded non functioning video host?

typical pod'lair

 

[Cherry Cola]

Faux Zen defense mechanism :O

I use and to a higher degree used that a lot, video seems to be pretty much on point.

 

[Architect]

I agreed with the "idea" that there are many intuitives "in general." Much more than how conventional typology think there is.

Everybody is an intuitive, some in their secondary (XNXX) and some in their inferior (XSXX). What happens is because Sensor dominants have it in the inferior it's an attraction point. Its where they want to go, and what draws them forward as the inferior does for everybody. They also commonly mistake themselves as intuitive, because in today's world intuition is valued more highly than sensation.

This is why sensors love religion so much and religion has the form it has, because it's a perfect mix. Instead of consisting purely of the Numinous (as an Intuitive might take it), they come up with these crazy literal interpretations and fundamentalist approaches. And best yet, when you die you become a 'breath of air/spirit/intuition form' and go somewhere else. Sensor heaven indeed!

However the numbers of people with intuition in their dominant or secondary is clearly less than those with it in the tertiary or inferior.

 

[Impact Calculus]

what is that retarded non functioning video host?

Please don't dehumanize people. Thanks.

 

[Brontosaurie]

Please don't dehumanize people. Thanks.

nice pun (i suppose)

 

[Words]

Everybody is an intuitive, some in their secondary (XNXX) and some in their inferior (XSXX). What happens is because Sensor dominants have it in the inferior it's an attraction point. Its where they want to go, and what draws them forward as the inferior does for everybody. They also commonly mistake themselves as intuitive, because in today's world intuition is valued more highly than sensation.

This is why sensors love religion so much and religion has the form it has, because it's a perfect mix. Instead of consisting purely of the Numinous (as an Intuitive might take it), they come up with these crazy literal interpretations and fundamentalist approaches. And best yet, when you die you become a 'breath of air/spirit/intuition form' and go somewhere else. Sensor heaven indeed!

However the numbers of people with intuition in their dominant or secondary is clearly less than those with it in the tertiary or inferior.

Well, I think "clearly" depends on the number of people you've typed and the ratio of N vs. S you've estimated. I wouldn't agree with limiting religion and fundamentalism and follower mentality with S.

N vs. S is much more internal and less about where people are in terms of their intellect and ideological and religious beliefs. There are countries with 90% religious fundamentals especially when we're talking about countries such as those in Arab Countries. (I'm culturally a muslim myself and I'm family with a looot of blind, religious iNtuitives.) Clearly you can't simply have only around 10%(or even less actually) of an entire nation's population as being Intuitives. And what about societies in the past? People were a lot more idiotic back then but then type is natural so there has to be a significant population of Intuitives even back then. How about Ancient Athens in particular...that place had to be full of iNtuitives.


N vs. S is about "interest" and "potential", not "quality."

 

[Obsidian]

If you truly believe that the majority of people are intuitives, and entire populations online are 100% intuitive, then I guess Pod'Lair is the typology system for you.

 

[Words]

If you truly believe that the majority of people are intuitives, and entire populations online are 100% intuitive, then I guess Pod'Lair is the typology system for you.

I didn't say majority of people and I don't think Pod'Lair has asserted that as well. I'm saying that iNtuitives are much more than what conventional typology suggests. The official statistics is around 30% I think which is actually still a pretty big number if you consider the total population of the U.S. I don't know where this idea that intuitives are rare are coming from. I think it's derived from a misconception of what Intuition really is.

And what is this "entire populations online"...? If we're talking about the MBTI enthusiasts in youtube, then duh, it's bound to be full of intuitives. MBTI is an intuitive hobby if you haven't noticed.

 

[nightstreaking]

http://psyphics.wordpress.com/2013/02/18/infj-vs-intp/

Erhm, Keirsey's system is actually pretty great at describing temperament and identifying differences (speech, time orientation, etc.). The linked article employs a similar approach.

 

[Duxwing]

http://psyphics.wordpress.com/2013/02/18/infj-vs-intp/

Erhm, Keirsey's system is actually pretty great at describing temperament and identifying differences (speech, time orientation, etc.). The linked article employs a similar approach.

The INTP section of that article described me almost perfectly. Uncanny! What's your type, nighty?

-Duxwing

 

[BloodCountess88]

Well the Pod'Lair typed me Nyy'xai.

This is extremely interesting to me, it correlates ENFP. I mentioned in another thread that my husband is an ENFP, fits the personality type completely. One of his main complaints is that I am too isolated and "cold" emotionally.


I was diagnosed with a schizoid personality disorder after going through a long period of severe isolation that, well, had strong negative effects in my life. I went 3 months without speaking to my family and having any desire to do so. As I age, it gets more apparent, but overall I am able to function.

As I said before, I am very animated when I speak now in order to teach my children facial expressions, and on that I have a strong structured routine/schedule. I also use my hands, a lot, and often sign when I am speaking because I use sign language at home (my kids were non verbal for a very long time). Which apparently took as a strong sign of being ENFP.

However they basically said something about my voice. It was drone like and unenthusiastic. Which well, I am as enthusiastic as I am extroverted.