Identity Agent of WTF

[dark]

Ok I have taken tests, and get INTP each time, but this is odd, I have noticed that the questions don't question my mind by my actual view of myself. Such as, the only difference between INTP and ENTP on most tests is when they ask if you either like or dislike being around people and how it makes you feel.
Personally I think that if I took one of the actual tests from the psychologists, I would result with a ENTP result.
I think the reason I falsify the test showing INTP is because of a simple matter. After working at a telecommunications place for one summer, and hating every minute of it, I became very afraid of people, in a sense. I can't even talk on a telephone without feeling like I will have a nervous break down.
Before that job (or not so much of a job, I had to tell people that the product sucked and that if anyone ever called that they should never buy that kind of stuff, yep I ended up getting fired, haha) I really wasn't afraid to walk up to a crowd of people and just start a conversation, or control a group of people with ease. Now I can do that stuff, but I think I have became "shy" some I am a shy ENTP which the tests see as an INTP, which is stupid.
Of course I could just be a very extroverted INTP, that is going through yet another identity crisis.
After that job I sort of isolated my self from humans, I make friends but it is usually superficial error on my parts.
My question is this, do INTPs tend to often think they aren't INTP? Or am I really an ENTP?
Ok to understand my mind I will tell you a script of my useless life. In my college classes, doesn't matter which, I almost always speak up even over the people I know for certain to be an E. I can go on in class, and explain the entire lecture in a matter of sentences that the teachers are just amazed at my comprehension and capabilities to make the complex very simple without losing anything. Another example, my teachers tend to have a sophist mentality when asking students questions and refute everything they answer to the questions, yet when I answer the teacher is dumb struck and it makes people think I am more intelligent than I really am, I personally think I am just average intelligent, but I do know I have a streak of cleverness, it may just be the Ne from INTP that gives this to me from pulling shit out of no where, but I don't know.
I am really good at talking to people, and people like to listen to me, but most of the time I prefer not to, I don't know if it is conditioning from childhood or the not so much of a job, or that I am a real introvert. It really doesn't matter to me if I am around tons of people, which if I am I prefer to control the crowd, or to be alone, I can live in isolation for-near-ever, until I just have to tell someone my thoughts. Am I a normal person or is this just messed up?
Also is there a link to an near-accurate personality test I could take other the actual ones since I don't put all that much value in it as of yet to pay right now. Really find it useless, haha.
Apologies for the lengthy probably useless form of questions.

 

[ApostateAbe]

I would have thought it would be easy for anyone to know if they are an introvert or an extrovert, but maybe not. You could try going to the ENTP forum and seeing if you fit in better. The personality profiles seem to fit you better, do they not? Of course, the arbitrary categories are not so important. If you can't easily find your type, then it is just as likely to be a problem with the whole system, the pseudo-science that it is, not necessarily a problem with you.

 

[dark]

Hum, both ENTP and INTP have the same top four functions, Ne Ti Si Fe, of course in opposite orders. But maybe that is my problem, maybe I am just a 50/50 type person and can not be typed as introvert or extrovert.

 

[The Gopher]

Ambivert

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Ambivert

dark, your first post really seems ENTPish with it's flurry of Ne ideas. Though that's just speculation.

There really is no easy way to tell besides self-assessment.

To you, is logic, truth, consistency, structure, systematization etc a means to bring about newness or change? Or is logic, truth, consistency, structure and systematization the foundation of your self and does creativity or novelty serve to express that self?

An old post:

Ah, ok understandable, so my extrovertedness I occassionally show has absolutely nothing to do with ENTP eh. So how does charisma come into existance? Because normally I don't have any, until that percent chance happens and I decide to be extroverted some how, and I have the ability to become something of a cult leader, I guess that's charisma, I really don't know what it means to feel emotion, so charisma is really questionable.

I have an ENTP friend who has talked about having indirectly influenced people to change their behavior in a sweeping wave. Socrates allegedly did the same thing. You may be ambiverted, but my thoughts are suggesting ENTP.

 

[dark]

Just spent the last hour or so taking other random google personality tests, got INTP each time, I do know I am NTP.

@ EyeSeeCold: the second option you stated makes more sense from my view. "Or is logic, truth, consistency, structure and systematization the foundation of your self and does creativity or novelty serve to express that self?"

I think my problem is this, if I am shy, I can over come that, if I am introverted, I will have to work to overcome it in a different way.
Maybe I am just a mixed up Ambivert.

Oh today I got to the part in Socrate's story where he was talking to the two sophists refuters in the garden and he turned their own arguments on them, sticking their heads up their asses and let them chew their way out. The I had to go to class before I finished that section. But this paragraph probably should be on my other thread.

 

[dark]

Thanks to the "Online Typology Resources" thread, I am now thinking I am an ENTP. I can identify with that generalization really well, even more than INTP, so I must be just a shy(ish) ENTP haha.
Then something is wrong with me or is being shy a semi-normal thing in humans?

Like today I went to return a movie to those handy little machines that lets you rent movies, and it is a 10-20 minute drive depending on how fast I am driving. I got there, and realized, I don't have the movies with me, so I had to drive all the way BACK home, then BACK to the machine, then finally back home, making a 20-40 minute trip into a near 2 hour event... Would that be more INTP or ENTP or just plain ignorant. Also probably forgot to bring them since I was talking about the technical issues of my car, explaining to him how the O2 sensor was sending faulty signals and the ECU was intern sending fault signals to my AFM, and started to explain how I was going to fix it since I have another one and was going to change out some electrical components to make mine work etc.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Sounds like NTP.

Remember Extravert does not mean shy/sociable. It merely means that you are energized by interacting with the outer world. Introvert means that you are energized by introspection and exhausted by interaction.

I think the closest to an objective example is wanting to go straight home after socializing as opposed to continuing socialization elsewhere.

 

[dark]

Ok so I am an iENTP? Haha, now that I think of it the outside world does give me energy, more so than being by myself. Only way I can keep from getting fatigued when alone is when I am engaged into something that interests me. But when around others I feel alive almost, although most of the time I have no need to do so, guess that is the P thing kicking in.
If I am more so an ENTP then it explains my want to become a professor, how would an INTP handle that much interaction?

But to be truthful, the 1st time I took a typology test it gave me ENTP; if I am remembering right I received that back in highschool. But had forgot since psychology at the time didn't interest me.

Just thought of this, are INTPs or ENTPs more prone to take risks (or is it similiar, or would it be individual and completely unrelated to typology)? Similiar to living on the edge like ISTPs, cause I know my brother(ISTP) wouldn't dare take the risks I would, but I do them as a challenge of sorts, he would only risk if he thought it was going to succeed.

 

[EvilScientist Trainee]

Let me give a try.

So, i once had also doubted if i was a shy ENTP. But the following helped me to define myself better.

When you learn something, what's the most natural path to take:

Understand the basic functioning of a system, then throw out as many variables to see how the system behaves?

Or

Notice how a system behaves in a holistic way, then try to define how the parts fit the whole?

So, when i was studying, for example, i did it best calling a group study. I already had my understanding, and people came by with many questions that just helped me define further the functioning of that subject in particular.

If you were to be an ENTP (I'm not one, so i might be wrong). You'd try to call people to clarify your views, and then everything would seem fit.

Have i come close to making any sense?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

If I am more so an ENTP then it explains my want to become a professor, how would an INTP handle that much interaction?

Depends, some people can interact better than others. Though, I see the INTP professor as a very lenient, direct and reserved one, doing it for the love of teaching.

Just thought of this, are INTPs or ENTPs more prone to take risks (or is it similiar, or would it be individual and completely unrelated to typology)? Similiar to living on the edge like ISTPs, cause I know my brother(ISTP) wouldn't dare take the risks I would, but I do them as a challenge of sorts, he would only risk if he thought it was going to succeed.

Se's are more prone to take physical/danger/adrenaline risks for fun while Ne types are more likely to generally bend and break the rules for fun.

The rush of facing mortality vs. the rush of acting chaotically.

 

[dark]

I, don't really know, I don't really know how to define what my mind does. I would have to say the second option. That seems to sound more like my thought process. The first seems a little foreign to me. When I reverse engineer things I usually watch it work then mentally find out what does what, then after I am satisfied with how everything works I take what I want from it.

 

[dark]

Ok I have stepped out of my own mind and observed how I operate, something I haven't done in a while, and realized more about how I felt about certain situations, then I decided to once again take another test, this time I just clicked the 1st one google poped up and answered the questions accordingly to my new thoughts, and got ENTP, but very weak extroversion, about 22% so to arrange in order of least to greatest letters I would stand, NTPE percentage wise. Of course that is how I feel now (still don't trust statistical psuedo-tests).

 

[EyeSeeCold]

As long as you're interested, which one can you identify with the most?:

Using arithmetic/algebra equations and logic to forge jokes

Using double entendres and euphemisms to conceal jokes

 

[dark]

ROFL I must be an idiot, I don't even understand that, let me google the words haha.

Edit: ok after looking the stuff up seems like I most fit with the 1st but also work in the second on occasions.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Sounds like ENTP.
The first manipulates logic to fit his idea.
The second manipulates ideas/words to fit his logic.

 

[dark]

Yeah I think I have deduced from looking at my childhood I am an ENTP, first of all my parents would manipulate me into to doing something by claiming it was impossible to be done, at first I think they actaully thought some things impossible, but they found that a good tool since I would never give up. Also I think my initial stray to INTP was my illusion of introvertedness, which conditioned as a child because I felt uneasy showing emotions and I realized that being near people or in relationships I would be required (or thought I was required) to show emotions, so I refused to be near or too close to people. So I conditioned myself to introvertedness actions, although I feel more at home in my own mind when I am with people, and also my illusion also comes from my mind not understanding the crowd, when in a crowd I become alone, I am just one single person out of many, alone, all alone, I guess an INTP wouldn't mind this at all, but I can't take this, if I was the crowds attention, be it good or bad I would relish it, or so I think, haha.
Also if you compare my number of random thread starts to how long I have been here you can deduce a lot of Ne going on, since I just post what I think of at the time. ETC.,