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Found this forum not long ago, on a usual late-night internet scavenging. I've known I'm an INTP for about a year and was fascinated by the too-good-to-be-true description... restored my almost dead and buried trust in psychologists...

And well, this seems like an interesting forum.

I'm a male, 20 year old architecture student, a wonderful multidisciplinary profession that also allows me to indulge into various fields of interests including but not limited to all things design, arts, history, anthropology, psychology, philosophy, engineering, computer science, and abstract thoughts in general.

Guess that's about it.
 

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Welcome Tekton. If you're seeking a pond to make ripples; a sky in which to raise an edifice, this place is better than many.

We've had another architecture student, but they've not been around in a long while. I'll ask you what I asked them: are you familiar with Pattern Language, the work of Christopher Alexander?
 

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Welcome, fellow INTP.

Found this forum not long ago, on a usual late-night internet scavenging. I've known I'm an INTP for about a year and was fascinated by the too-good-to-be-true description... restored my almost dead and buried trust in psychologists...

And well, this seems like an interesting forum.

Sounds so familiar...

By the way what is it like to study architecture? I've been thinking should I study it in the future...
 

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Welcome to the forum, Tekton. Architecture sounds good (as a job group), but I can't draw to save my life (not really, but you get the idea). Looking forward to your future contributions. :)

On a side note, what do you think about the Taipei 101? I like the design a lot.
 

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are you familiar with Pattern Language, the work of Christopher Alexander?

Yes. I own the book. It is a precious little gem of knowledge. Since I was little I've been able to recognize patterns in nature, in history, and human behavior... and take great pleasure in discerning them and analyzing their inner motives. When I stumbled upon A Pattern Language it was one of those depressingly happy moments when you realize not only that someone thought of your theory before, but his ideas are deeper, more coherent and better developed than your own.

Still, a lot of people seem to never have heard of it, and sometimes you get strange looks if you bring it up, due to the "architecture-without-architects" nature of the book.

Have you heard about his tetralogy on "The Nature of Order"? I have yet to read it (not enough time/money right now)...

By the way what is it like to study architecture? I've been thinking should I study it in the future...

It's great. It's creative. It's always a challenge. It's filled with interesting crazy people. It draws from any and all imaginable fields of thought. An ancient, magnificent art-science...

Drawing is relaxing. Solving floor plans, structures, natural lighting and ventilation, while keeping all in good taste is quite satisfying. The fact that, like language, architecture is an ultimate manipulation of human behavior by means of all the senses, is a mind-numbing concept filled with possibilities. I specially enjoy learning about the history of architecture and urbanism: how the culture, technology, and rituals of a society evolve over time and are embedded in the amazing symbolic language of space.

Of course school work is tiring, but I believe it to be more fulfilling than other careers that focus on memorizing boring theory that you will never actually use and writing shallow essays on pointless subjects... It's pretty hands-on, there's nothing quite like it.

Some people will have you believe it is easy, and that anyone can do it. They have no idea what they are talking about.

Others will be terribly bad at it or will sell their souls just for the money, spewing archi-babble to justify their five-minute design and candy coated renders. At times, the amount of corruption in the architecture world is terribly depressing, and people say that architecture is dead, that it's all celebrity starchitects now... but I study architecture now in order to fix those things. You have to be foolish to study it, see: you must be an utopian, have unending trust that Architecture can and will make life better.

But I must warn you. The rumors are TRUE. You WILL end up forever addicted to coffee. You WILL alienate the few friends you have because you cannot talk about anything else. You WILL stay awake for entire weeks without sleeping, and at the same time be required to hear lectures, work with cutting tools and toxic glues that will inevitably hurt you, finish drawing countless plans and also manage to speak coherent sentences for your project presentations (in which you will be utterly crushed by the huge ego of your teachers). You WILL end up drunk at 4 am on the roof of the School of Architecture building when you have a final project presentation due in 3 hours. Your life WILL be consumed by architecture, you CANNOT escape from it and everywhere you go there WILL be something to criticize. And you WILL end up wearing glasses and black clothes.

Architecture is a harsh mistress. But I love her with infinite passion. :D

We are all born inside buildings; live, work and play inside buildings; die inside buildings. Studying and designing buildings is a great knowledge and even greater responsibility. It is the human will to happiness, to perfection, to transcendence... materialized.

Do study it.

/rant


I could go on forever on this subject. Do you have a more specific question? Something I should elaborate on?

Oh and thank you both for the welcome and for enduring my stream-of-consciousness. I can't seem to avoid it.
 

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Oh and thank you both for the welcome and for enduring my stream-of-consciousness.

That's what this website is for, isn't it?
 

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Welcome to the forum, Tekton. Architecture sounds good (as a job group), but I can't draw to save my life (not really, but you get the idea). Looking forward to your future contributions. :)

On a side note, what do you think about the Taipei 101? I like the design a lot.

Technical drawing is kids work. Just work the scales and T-square. It can be zen lile, just slide ruler, draw line, slide ruler, draw line. But no one does that anymore (besides students), in the real world it's all autoCAD now. But I believe you mean artistic drawing. You'd be surprised by the amount of (good) architects that cannot draw to save their lives...

Artistic drawing is basically useful for two things:
a) Pretty presentations (which can be "outsourced" or CG...)
b) Learning about color theory, composition, etc. (all of which can be learned without the need to draw)

A lot of people decide not to study architecture because they cannot draw, having perpetrated the misconception that you need to know how to draw in order to be a good architect. It's not necessary. Besides um... that's what school is for, learning, right? :p


On taipei 101. As far as outward appearances go, I think it is one of the good examples of postmodern skyscrapers. I like it. It's pleasing to the eyes, balanced, fulfills its multiple symbolisms, as well as the goal of being a landmark and monument to capitalism. But putting appearances aside, the fact that it is a supertall curtain-wall skyscraper means it was excessively costly (it's a huge project, and on highly seismic land... why not many smaller buildings... ego :rolleyes:), wastes huge amounts of energy (elevators, heating/cooling, lighting) and disrespectful to its context (it sticks out from the relatively flat city like a sore thumb...).


@ Jesin:

I meant my writing style (or lack of), not a lack of appreciation for my lengthy opinions. My ideas can become incomprehensible due to transfer from brain to words.
 

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Yes. I own the book. It is a precious little gem of knowledge. Since I was little I've been able to recognize patterns in nature, in history, and human behavior... and take great pleasure in discerning them and analyzing their inner motives. When I stumbled upon A Pattern Language it was one of those depressingly happy moments when you realize not only that someone thought of your theory before, but his ideas are deeper, more coherent and better developed than your own.

Still, a lot of people seem to never have heard of it, and sometimes you get strange looks if you bring it up, due to the "architecture-without-architects" nature of the book.

Have you heard about his tetralogy on "The Nature of Order"? I have yet to read it (not enough time/money right now)...

ditto.

I get passionate about this topic, but oh so wary of broaching it. Their eyes glaze and you realise... your voice, the wind, the ear of nature, all are dancing alone again. All you can speak for is the beauty and wonder before you, contained in the discipline of Pattern, but the deaf will never hear.

I actually shed a tear when I discovered the work of Christopher Alexander. It was so profound - all this knowledge inside me that I could not articulate, that no one could acknowledge... this brilliant man had come before me and put it into words. My attempts, (so full of pathos) at once validated, elevated and humbled. It was like being touched by the hand of a healer - these ideas that reached out to salve their own. And yet I was proven once again neither the first nor the best.

Yes, I know the feeling.

I want to race out there and redesign the world, but experience has made me cautious. Even bitter. :(

But no, I do not own his books. The number of times I have poured over them on amazon, so close to hitting 'order', but something stops me. Am I hoping still that there is something original that will come to me, a great revelation that will settle on my shoulder and push me forward? Stubborn vanity, eh?

Still, full strength to you in your studies, and to a future in which genius must not hide!

Oh and thank you both for the welcome and for enduring my stream-of-consciousness. I can't seem to avoid it.

For stream-of-consciousness like that - never apologise!
 

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Now I'm sure about it: I WILL study architecture! :D Even if it makes me friendless and sleepless ( actually I'm friendless already and so addicted to coffee that surviving without sleep isn't a big deal... ;)). But seriously: I have that utopian believe that you can make this world a better place with architecture. It's so big part of our lives even we wouldn't notice it: like you said we born, we live and we die in buildings. I want to be one of those who design those buildings and enviroments where we live and die (sounds cliched but it's true!). It's interesting how many ways you actually could affect on people's lives just by designing buildings -- if the money weren't a problem. I've heard about that corruption, but I believe that it isn't too late to fix it :) .
And also, I enjoy drawing and designing and solving problems in a creative way. Only thing I'm worried about is how I could remember all little details, 'cause I'm usually prone to forget them... I suppose it's quite dangerous to forget something if you desing buildings, right? ;) I've also been thinking could I be so creative under stress and pressure, but maybe some competition is necessary in order to think clearly (I usually get my best ideas at the last minute...)
But anyway, I would rather have a job where I could affect on people's lives than throwing my life away giving meningless answers to meaningless questions, and I think architecture is just right way for me to do that. And thank You for confirming that ! :) I hope all success to you, Tekton! :) And again, welcome to this forum.
 

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@ Lightspeed: Hi to you too. Did you know that scientists have managed to slow the speed of light as to almost stop it? Light has lost all it's street cred, these days.

But no, I do not own his books. The number of times I have poured over them on amazon, so close to hitting 'order', but something stops me. Am I hoping still that there is something original that will come to me, a great revelation that will settle on my shoulder and push me forward? Stubborn vanity, eh?

Revelation is usually the conclusion of an absorption-recombination-synthesis data processing cycle. Maybe the data you're missing is in those books.

On the other hand, as a teacher that literally destroyed our models last semester said (paraphrasing): "Originality is not an inherently desirable quality. We should not strive for original designs, we should strive for good designs" Stubborn vanity it is then. :rolleyes:

@ Linsejko: I do. I am. "Sounds fun" somehow makes me think of "fun sounds", which inevitably leads me to think of elevator musak. Dry humor is best served with fresh musak, after all.
 

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Now I'm sure about it: I WILL study architecture! Even if it makes me friendless and sleepless (actually I'm friendless already and so addicted to coffee that surviving without sleep isn't impossible... :D ). I had tried to imagine what it would be and when I read your answer it was like reading my own thoughts. I would like to have a job where I could affect on people's lives rather than just giving meaningless answers to the meaningless questions, and I think that architecture is just right way to do that. It's so big part of our lives, even we wouldn't notice it: like you said, we born, we live and we die in buildings. Ofcourse there's lots of other ways too, but I enjoy drawing and designing and solving problems, so ... :D Only thing I'm worried about is how I could remember all little details, 'cause I've been prone to forget them... I suppose it's quite dangerous to forget something if you design buildings, right? ;)

Thank You very much for confirming my thoughts! And don't give up your original designs! It might not be too late to fix the corrupted world of architecture. :)

It took me quite long time to reply, sorry...
 

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Don't worry about little details. With practice, it is hard to forget them. And if you do, then that's what review boards are for. Although that is usually them trying to remove things, not add them, to your project...

I feel good to have been of service. Now I shall go to AIA headquarters and demand a honorary membership :)

And the great thing about forums is that they are not instantaneous, right? It's ok.
 
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