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I need a good concrete definition of intelligence.

NormannTheDoorman

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Many times I watch religious debates and both sides will throw out this.

"You're dumb for believing in X"

or

"You're dumb for not believing in X."

Of course, the more eloquent ones will use the word intelligence instead of dumb or smart.

However, I have having a hard time believing that a religious person is un-intelligent or stupid. But most cretins I come across beg to differ.


I stay neutral in most discussions I get into. Calling out both sides on their BS because I'm the hero they deserve, but not the one they need right now. Okay, I'm batman.
 

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Well what would be the simplest form of intelligence?

In artificial life simulations the "creatures" typically need to find food and avoid predators, imagine them as circles moving around a 2D plane, they can go forwards or backwards and turn left or right, to succeed they have to run into food and avoid running into or being run into by predators.

You can program them with all sorts of behaviours but that's you exercising your intelligence, and what are you doing if not optimising their behaviour for success? So to make them intelligent you should program them to optimise their behaviour autonomously and you do that by having them respond to stimuli in some way to "learn" what behaviours are more or less effective.

So a definition of intelligence could be behavioural optimisation in response to stimuli.
 

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Problem Defining Intelligence

I need a good concrete definition of intelligence.

I like this Q. Here is Cog.
So a definition of intelligence could be behavioural optimisation in response to stimuli.
Here is mine:
The ability to deal with stuff.
Last time this was discussed, another good def was cited but I don't recall if it was an improvement on the above. The problem though is with the wish for concreteness. The defs above are abstract and possibly contain words more complex than intelligence itself.

If the stimuli is new and some highly intelligent person is blocked due to neurosis or physical limitations, are they now unintelligent? If Einstein couldn't remember where he put his hat, would he be unintelligent? After all, memory is a factor in dealing with stimuli optimally.

My answer is we are organisms. Not only does our behavior have an aspect of randomness, so does our environment. Our control over this randomness operates as a tree radiating outward from a trunk into branches and leaves. Concreteness by its own definition is particular. "Intelligence" is an abstraction lifted from human behavior. Human behavior is an abstraction ... or is it? How would we define "human behavior" concretely?

Or more generally, how do we go from the general to the particular and do it with representative particulars? If all the particulars together represent the whole, how do we make a part illustrate the whole? If a part is unrepresentative, how do we rate its value? Answer: We can't.
 

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You think you've got problems>?

I need an intelligent definition of concrete. NOW
 

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Re: Problem Defining Intelligence

I need a good concrete definition of intelligence.

I like this Q. Here is Cog.Here is mine: Last time this was discussed, another good def was cited but I don't recall if it was an improvement on the above. The problem though is with the wish for concreteness. The defs above are abstract and possibly contain words more complex than intelligence itself.

If the stimuli is new and some highly intelligent person is blocked due to neurosis or physical limitations, are they now unintelligent? If Einstein couldn't remember where he put his hat, would he be unintelligent? After all, memory is a factor in dealing with stimuli optimally.

My answer is we are organisms. Not only does our behavior have an aspect of randomness, so does our environment. Our control over this randomness operates as a tree radiating outward from a trunk into branches and leaves. Concreteness by its own definition is particular. "Intelligence" is an abstraction lifted from human behavior. Human behavior is an abstraction ... or is it? How would we define "human behavior" concretely?

Or more generally, how do we go from the general to the particular and do it with representative particulars? If all the particulars together represent the whole, how do we make a part illustrate the whole? If a part is unrepresentative, how do we rate its value? Answer: We can't.

I'm going to cry now since I am not pleased with the answers so far. But that's okay, I'll get over it soon. :king-twitter:
 

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I can't find it at the moment but a few weeks ago I watched a TED Talk in which some guy made the claim that intelligence was the ability of a complex system to maximize its potential future outcomes. He even had a rather elegant equation (are equations concrete definitions?).
 

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Adaptability

Well say one believes he understand a situation and believes he knows what it takes to adapt to the stimuli, but is too lazy to do the work.

Does this count as being unintelligent?
 

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i couldnt survive in the wilderness. therefore, i am an idiot.
 

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A mental capacity to achieve predefined goals. Note that this means that there is not one holistic intelligence, but infinite intelligences as defined by context. These different types are often correlated but not always. There are many factors that contribute to any given intelligence, many of which are unknown.

There is no 'concrete' definition, because intelligence is not concrete. It's a hypothetical construct: a word used to refer to a very complex set of variables.

Only the stupid argue about who is stupid. If you're looking for who is winning the debate/argument (as mentioned in the OP), learn logic.
 

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Courtesy of British philosopher Nick Land:
The idea of intelligence, more abstractly, applies far beyond IQ testing, to a wide variety of natural, technical, and institutional systems, from biology, through ecological and economic arrangements, to robotics. In each case, intelligence solves problems, by guiding behavior to produce local extropy. It is indicated by the avoidance of probable outcomes, which is equivalent to the construction of information.

The general science of extropy production (or entropy dissipation) is cybernetics. It follows, therefore, that intelligence always has a cybernetic infrastructure, consisting of adaptive feedback circuits that adjust motor control in response to signals extracted from the environment. Intelligence elaborates upon machinery that is intrinsically ‘realist’, because it reports the actual outcome of behavior (rather than its intended outcome), in order to correct performance.

Even rudimentary, homeostatic feedback circuits, have evolved. In other words, cybernetic machinery that seems merely to achieve the preservation of disequilibrium attests to a more general and complex cybernetic framework that has successfully enhanced disequilibrium. The basic cybernetic model, therefore, is not preservative, but productive. Organizations of conservative (negative) feedback have themselves been produced as solutions to local thermodynamic problems, by intrinsically intelligent processes of sustained extropy increase, (positive) feedback assemblage, or escalation. In nature, where nothing is simply given (so that everything must be built), the existence of self-sustaining improbability is the index of a deeper runaway departure from probability. It is this cybernetic intensification that is intelligence, abstractly conceived.

Intelligence, as we know it, built itself through cybernetic intensification, within terrestrial biological history. It is naturally apprehended as an escalating trend, sustained for over 3,000,000,000 years, to the production of ever more extreme feedback sensitivity, extropic improbability, or operationally-relevant information. Intelligence increase enables adaptive responses of superior complexity and generality, in growing part because the augmentation of intelligence itself becomes a general purpose adaptive response.

Thus:
– Intelligence is a cybernetic topic.
– Intelligence increase precedes intelligence preservation.
– Evolution is intrinsically intelligent, when intelligence is comprehended at an adequate level of abstraction.
– Cybernetic degeneration and intelligence decline are factually indistinguishable, and — in principle — rigorously quantifiable (as processes of local and global entropy production).
 

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The ability and craving to learn, make connections, and see a bigger picture.


completely disagree. the ability to adapt to ones environment is the definition of intelligence IMO.

let's say hypothetically i always performed way above average on standardized tests and have a 'high IQ'- what does that get me if I can't apply that 'intelligence' to the real world and adapt to society?
 

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I think one definition is the capacity to learn and to figure out problems. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what an IQ test tests for.

Someone else said adaptability, that's good too.

There's kinesthetic intelligence. Pro athletes have this.

Social intelligence. People with a silver tongue. Politicians. Seducers.

Tactical intelligence, what a soldier has to survive various situations. Accomplish various missions.
 
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