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The title is pretty boring I know, seing as we are constantly having ideas:p. But hear me out on this one.

Having lurked for a few days I've noticed some things.

1)We lack confidence in ourselves
2)we are lazy as hell
3)We have so many ideas and fantasies that we never get to play out.
...)

I don't want to go on making you guys feeling depressed so here it is(my ideas(s))

1)(optional)Meditation, it clears the mind, a much needed treatment for us INTPs
2)Learn how to lucid dream. If you don't already know what this is , well, basically it is controlling your dreams. This can have a part in living out our fantasies to a certain degree. Testing situations or practicing talking to girls/guys;)(not just talking););) visit this website for more information. http://www.dreamviews.com
3)lastly, to clear that clutter and humble jumble of thoughts in your head and try to organize your weird feelings and things. Keep a journal. Not typically manly (for you guys out there)but we really aren't know for sticking with the status quo;)

Side notes: knowing INTPs out there, there will be some who are very sceptic all of lucid dreaming, just try it, when you first experience it, you'll know its real.

Feel free to leave suggestions similar to mine below
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1) Is actually ok. Note that there are many types of meditations though. Mine is a form of prayer
2) Lucid dreaming rocks! You got to take a hint from your unconscious though.
3) Good idea. I find oldschool notepads more useful as journals rather than electronic ones though.
 

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Why stop at lucid dreams? Try to go for an OOBE (out of body experience/sleep paralysis).

I stopped going for that because of shadow people.
 

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I stopped going for that because of shadow people.

Yeah it's scary if you struggle. lol... Just let the demons take you for a ride. :angel:

If you have a good pair of earphones, listen to some binaural beats. Everything in the universe is tuned to the Golden Ratio. The binaural beats can tune your brain to natural frequencies. When you are in tune with the ratio, you suddenly have a natural understanding of the universe. If you're lucky, this will unlock your brain. When this happens, you instantly understand the universe and everything in it. E.g. Huge leap in consciousness.

Just for fun... Watch this because it's related to everything that I just said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MliWcu0GoxM
 

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Damn. Cant meditate, impatient as hell not to mention issues with boredom.
Im yet to try the out of body experience but hey theres time.
Last journal i kept went up in hellfire so... Not tryin that again.

The reasons i never get to play out my fantasies is because they wouldnt be very... Good... For ummm well everyone. World domination rarely is. I also think its a while away before ill get to control the elements. Think about all the stuff you could do if you could control the elements.
 

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Those are all some really good points, but I have a question. How does any of those little tips help with laziness?

Lucid dreaming seems cool, yet I'm a little afraid to try it. But I do have a good capability of playing out my ideas without lucid dreaming, just merely imagining; At least, usually.
 

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I guess he is counting dreaming and meditation as doing something and i guess you cant be lazy if your doing something.otherwise your guess is as good as mine.
 

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Those are all some really good points, but I have a question. How does any of those little tips help with laziness?

Lucid dreaming seems cool, yet I'm a little afraid to try it. But I do have a good capability of playing out my ideas without lucid dreaming, just merely imagining; At least, usually.

Lucid dreaming is about confidence. Confident people usually have lucid dreams and unconfident usually people don't.

Lucid dreaming is a good place for developing your skills. I use it for drawing and painting, testing my ideas, and working out social situations in a controlled environment.

Lucid dreaming is not just imagination. Your brain can calculate physics and psychology accurately while dreaming. It helps you develop your intuition which is what you rely on for creating the lucid dream.
 

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Everything in the universe is tuned to the Golden Ratio (citation needed).
The binaural beats can tune your brain to natural frequencies (citation needed).
When you are in tune with the ratio, you suddenly have a natural understanding of the universe (citation needed).
If you're lucky, this will unlock your brain (citation needed).
When this happens, you instantly understand the universe and everything in it (citation needed).

:rolleyes:
 

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Lol this thread...

You are determined to theorize on your inaction,
you are determined not to act.

Solution for lazy, shy and suicidal intp's:
Gummy bears, but not the green ones as these disproportionately boost the left hemisphere.
Talk to your gummy bears to boost your confidence.
Eat them to obtain amazing powers.
Cooperate with them to increase your productivity.
 

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Just woke up lmao

So, I didn't mean that these things were magical cures that would magically stop your laziness. They are just ways that you can motivate yourself to (possibly) be less shy or more confident. If you try something in a dream you might be more inclined to do it in real life.(laziness)

Gummy bears are a good idea for depressed INTPs...
 

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Everything in the universe is tuned to the Golden Ratio (citation needed: see nature... lame, I know.).
The binaural beats can tune your brain to natural frequencies (citation needed: try it out, or not, I don't care).
When you are in tune with the ratio, you suddenly have a natural understanding of the universe (citation needed: you would have to experiment to understand).
If you're lucky, this will unlock your brain (citation needed: I doubt anyone's mind is getting unlocked today).
When this happens, you instantly understand the universe and everything in it (citation needed: good luck! only those who are ready will understand).

:rolleyes:

Look it up, don't be lazy. :rolleyes:

It's something that most people will refuse to understand. I can send you many citations but what's the point? Some people figure it out, and most don't.

http://www.dhammawiki.com/index.php?title=Theravada

If you want to read something, then this one gives a decent explanation:
http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/SODA_chapter6.html

Most will read it, refuse to understand, and think that they understand and know. Regardless, everything that I say is an opinion so I am the source (citation needed).

Most people here need to see "proof" but then they depend entirely on outside sources. Science is experimentation. Reading is not understanding. Understanding and knowledge are two totally different things.

Just to be annoying, I should go around doing the (citation needed) on every sentence that you write. This is a forum, not Wikipedia (citation needed). :confused: :facepalm:
 

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When this happens, you instantly understand the universe and everything in it.

I've came to certain conclusions like this (still do), but for me when something like this runs through my mind, it's a red flag that I went way too far into assumptions, and I'm entering a fallacious fantasy of delusion. My metaphoric structure of understanding then needs to be torn down and rebuilt anew with more realistic and practical logic. In essence, it's a good time to take quite a few steps backwards and try again.

Shouldn't need to say that even if you can lucid dream, listen to binaural beats, meditate, and witness occurrences of the golden ratio, a person is still lightyears away from understanding the universe. The golden ratio is...'cool', but its not the end-all be-all of everything.

Unless I am extremely ignorant (I really am actually), and perhaps you do have a huge grasp of the workings of the universe (I will be open to that idea), I would sure be greatly interested in a detailed explanation and how it is rationalized / justified.

I'm sorry if I came off as a prick. I'm (mostly) skeptical of certain mysticisms though.
 

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I've came to certain conclusions like this (still do), but for me when something like this runs through my mind, it's a red flag that I went way too far into assumptions, and I'm entering a fallacious fantasy of delusion. My metaphoric structure of understanding then needs to be torn down and rebuilt anew with more realistic and practical logic. In essence, it's a good time to take quite a few steps backwards and try again.

Shouldn't need to say that even if you can lucid dream, listen to binaural beats, meditate, and witness occurrences of the golden ratio, a person is still lightyears away from understanding the universe. The golden ratio is...'cool', but its not the end-all be-all of everything.

Unless I am extremely ignorant (I really am actually), and perhaps you do have a huge grasp of the workings of the universe (I will be open to that idea), I would sure be greatly interested in a detailed explanation and how it is rationalized / justified.

I'm sorry if I came off as a prick. I'm (mostly) skeptical of certain mysticisms though.

No, you are perfectly rational. To completely close yourself into a box is irrational.

And, no you're not coming off as a prick. You are open minded which is a rarity around here. If there was no open-mindedness, then science would cease to make any progress. Science is an inaccurate simplification of reality; which is the same as mysticism. Both are trying to explain extremely complicated things in a way so that it's understandable to regular people. Both are invalid, science is behind, and mysticism is followed mostly by simpletons. Both are valid tools for interpreting reality to some degree.

Mysticism only appears to be magical because science has yet to write it into law. At the same time, people who approach it as magical are just as ignorant.

The Golden Ratio (or Phi, Φ, φ, etc...) is more than just "cool." I use it frequently with a very high success rate. I use it in psychology, poker, stock market, design, and in several other ways on a regular basis.

Ever wonder how ancient civilizations achieve amazing feats? They understood the Golden Ratio.

Want to know how to predict the stock market? Use the Golden Ratio. (It's aggregate psychology).

Want to know why certain music notes are more appealing that others? The Golden Ratio.

I could list out thousands of phenomena that are directly related to the Golden Ratio.

Basically, the Golden Ratio is natures preference. Anything other than that, is unnatural (free-will).

My point is that you should explore these things and decide for yourself instead of depending on other people (science, math, religion) to define your beliefs. Meditation, the Golden Ratio, and an open mind may lead you to a better understanding of the universe.

:rip:
 

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Damn, I just finished watching that video...

I'm now super intrigued, but very skeptical. If anyone has any more links similar to that that would be great.

The golden ration is interesting, it brings up lots of questions and answers.

I'm not going to be able to fall asleep tonight am I? *groan:ahh:
 

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Damn, I just finished watching that video...

I'm now super intrigued, but very skeptical. If anyone has any more links similar to that that would be great.

The golden ration is interesting, it brings up lots of questions and answers.

I'm not going to be able to fall asleep tonight am I? *groan:ahh:

Some people go insane over the Golden Ratio. You should be skeptical, but equally as skeptical in all knowledge.

You can PM me with questions regarding these things if you want.

Here are a few more videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN0rB0CKkG0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvdmISdytXg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MJTb4cAcTc
 

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Confirmation bias is a real and terrible thing.
 

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Confirmation bias is a real and terrible thing.

Absolutely!

“A person hears only what they understand.” – Goethe

At the same time...

"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." – Albert Einstein

And...

“Ignorance, the root and stem of every evil.” ― Plato

My goal is always to find reasons not to believe something, and never default to the easy answers.

“I'm trying to think, don't confuse me with facts.” ― Plato

“Real sign of intelligence isn't knowledge, it's imagination.” – Albert Einstein

Ignore the supernatural, extract the truth. Supernatural explanations are models for weak minds; to make complicated concepts easy to understand.

"What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism." – Albert Einstein

Confirmation bias is the lesser of two evils...

"We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality." – Albert Einstein

Wisdom. :smoker:

"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.” ― Plato
 

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Sacred Geometry, Fibonacci sequence, Golden Ratio...

Why aren't we taught this at school?
Omegafacepalm.

Obviously "they"(lolz) don't want "us" to know such things for a reason(much lolz).
 

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Preaching the importance of creativity and imagination, by spamming links and quotes that are the product of other people's imagination and creativity.

Keep mashing out those tags, it's very creative and imagi...getting kinda fun :ahh04: carry on you two
 

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Preaching the importance of creativity and imagination, by spamming links and quotes that are the product of other people's imagination and creativity.

Keep mashing out those tags, it's very creative and imagi...y on you two[/quote] Yeah, it is for me too!
 

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It WAS creative how I used the quotes.

Obviously your standards as to what constitutes creativity and imagination are much lower than mine.
 

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Obviously your standards as to what constitutes creativity and imagination are much lower than mine.

Why does creativity need standards? What am I missing?

"Creativity is defined as the tendency to generate or recognize ideas, alternatives, or possibilities that may be useful in solving problems, communicating with others, and entertaining ourselves and others." (citation needed :phear:)

I would venture to say that my any one of my posts is (objectively) more creative than any of your responses in this thread.

Confφrmation bias is a real and terrible thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gswmcc4TpxU

You could do something productive, instead of trying to tear people down for having a difference in opinion.

“Every man is a creature of the age in which he lives and few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time.” ― Voltaire

Reflection...

[BIMG]http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag448/computerhxr/stuart-smalley-good-enough_zps10c0e22c.jpg[/BIMG]
 

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Does your definition of creativity also include regurgitation?
 

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I love that INTPs openly discuss lucid dreaming and OBEs.

Fascinating stuff, though the initial auditory phenomena can be extremely overpowering. I'd actually been having it for years until I realised what it was; I assumed it was some kind of horrendous, reoccurring nightmare :S
 

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No, you are perfectly rational.
I wish. But no, far from perfect.

You are open minded which is a rarity around here. If there was no open-mindedness, then science would cease to make any progress.

Open-mindedness is good, but I believe it can go way too far.

I theorize that there is a portion of the mind that deals with critical, skeptical judgement, and when inhibited or dampened, this can result in large amounts of 'open-mindedness'. However, based on my experience of how easy it was to believe in just about anything, and being slyly tricked into various delusions based on fallacies, I favor slightly more critical analysis over open-mindedness.

However, being open-minded is also crucial in brilliantly being able to wrap one's head around new complex ideas. It's a great aspect of taking in information. However, I find it important (at least for myself) to take in ideas carefully, and at least resist labeling things as true fact, and be sure to realize that many things are still merely assumption, not excluding my own ideas of things.

Science is an inaccurate simplification of reality; which is the same as mysticism. Both are trying to explain extremely complicated things in a way so that it's understandable to regular people. Both are invalid, science is behind, and mysticism is followed mostly by simpletons. Both are valid tools for interpreting reality to some degree.

Science (at least the scientific method) doesn't deserve such a bad light. I admire how there is clear distinction between hypothesis, testing for evidence and having a good outline for procedure, and coming up with unbiased conclusions on sound reasoning. Sure, it's an excruciatingly slow process, (at least compared to some people's standards), but really, it should be. It's too easy for some of us to get ahead of ourselves.

The Golden Ratio (or Phi, Φ, φ, etc...) is more than just "cool." I use it frequently with a very high success rate. I use it in psychology, poker, stock market, design, and in several other ways on a regular basis.

Ever wonder how ancient civilizations achieve amazing feats? They understood the Golden Ratio.

Want to know how to predict the stock market? Use the Golden Ratio. (It's aggregate psychology).

Want to know why certain music notes are more appealing that others? The Golden Ratio.

I could list out thousands of phenomena that are directly related to the Golden Ratio.

Basically, the Golden Ratio is natures preference. Anything other than that, is unnatural (free-will).

I have used the golden ratio in some of my artistic designs of various stuff, and photography, because I do find it to be subjectively 'pleasing' for some reason. At least in some aspects, others not so much. I wonder how it can make me a better poker player? :D

My point is that you should explore these things and decide for yourself instead of depending on other people (science, math, religion) to define your beliefs. Meditation, the Golden Ratio, and an open mind may lead you to a better understanding of the universe.

I'm no stranger to the experience of 'understanding the universe'. I've had a couple spiritual awakenings over the last decade. The indescribable experience of everything making complete sense, and being able to explain the hidden workings of everything happening is both eerie and euphoric. It was as though I 'cracked the code' to my mind, body and spirit, and unlocked all the beautiful secrets of my life and it's relation to the entire universe.

A few weeks of pacing, thinking deeper, and mumbling all kinds of bumble jabbo, afforded me a trip to the mental health unit, and from that point on, it took awhile to get me back on track again.

Currently, where I stand, I look back to it, and perhaps I did have valuable unworldly knowledge, but I somewhat doubt it. It all goes back to what I said about open-mindedness. I think my critical thinking was severely dampened or inhibited, or a more common explanation; too many neural connections with excess of a dopamine neurotransmitter, in certain portions of the brain.

Anyways, my point is, when I see you post "Lucid dreamers are confident, and non-lucid dreamers never are", it raises those certain red-flags which I try to monitor myself under. The links you posted to certain ideas of sacred geometry, and spiritualism are filled with some good facts surrounding some absurd unproven ideals, which can be very tempting to fall into belief because it's hard to distinguish through what is known, and what is assumed.

In my opinion there is lots there that need more methodical experimentation and research before coming to solid conclusions.
 

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Anyways, my point is, when I see you post "Lucid dreamers are confident, and non-lucid dreamers never are", it raises those certain red-flags which I try to monitor myself under. The links you posted to certain ideas of sacred geometry, and spiritualism are filled with some good facts surrounding some absurd unproven ideals, which can be very tempting to fall into belief because it's hard to distinguish through what is known, and what is assumed.

Well, it's not my fault. I never said that! You are taking my words out of context and giving them a new meaning. You are putting words into my mouth and misrepresenting them in a false context. This immediately raises tons of red flags for me.

Lucid dreaming is about confidence. Confident people usually have lucid dreams and unconfident people usually don't.

Lucid dreaming is a good place for developing your skills. I use it for drawing and painting, testing my ideas, and working out social situations in a controlled environment.

Lucid dreaming is not just imagination. Your brain can calculate physics and psychology accurately while dreaming. It helps you develop your intuition which is what you rely on for creating the lucid dream.

My point is that if you practice and challenge your beliefs internally (via a lucid dream state), then you will usually become more confident when you repeat the same thing in reality. Usually people who are not confident also are not confident in their dreams either. It's because confidence is something that requires practice, and you have a choice where you practice. Internally in a dream state is a judgement free zone so you don't have to worry about the restrictions that society places on you.

These are practiced in psychology and therapy. Practicing a traumatic event in a dream (where you imagine all of the dangerous and scary parts to be something that couldn't possibly scare or hurt you) will help you get over it. You can get mystical about it if you want, but you can also study psychology and come to the same conclusion.

After seeing that I had to respond quickly so I haven't had time to review the rest of your post. I have work do to so unfortunately I will have to do it at a later time. Don't worry; it's an honest mistake and I understand that it happens sometimes. I just needed to point it out before the "bandwagon" hitches a ride on misinformation.
 

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Obviously your standards as to what constitutes creativity and imagination are much lower than mine.

lolwut? hmm, on this forum you behave as a standard easily recreatable 13 y/o video gamer persona. It's like one of the most prevalent if not the most prevalent persona on the internet. You're seldom genuine, if you even have any of your own opinions. I can't really tell, because when you seem a little more passionate than normal in posts it's just on really simple stuff that I assume you see a high chance in feeling superior in by engaging in the confrontation. You usually end up backing out saying something about the other party's inferiority. Since all the above seems exactly like what a troll would do, I guess I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt.

If not though, the archifect might be at play. Coined by Dr. Oreo Levitorius, it's the illustrative concept at play during intellectual & moral materialism, also coined by the doctoreo. It's just a parabola with the peak up top, with # of occasions you think you're right on the x axis, and # of occasions you're actually right on the y axis. It's a trap that people who allow their ego to inflate too much fall into.
 

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1)(optional)Meditation, it clears the mind, a much needed treatment for us INTPs
I enjoy thinking too much to bother with that.

2)Learn how to lucid dream. If you don't already know what this is , well, basically it is controlling your dreams. This can have a part in living out our fantasies to a certain degree. Testing situations or practicing talking to girls/guys;)(not just talking)http://www.dreamviews.com
I actually discovered lucid dreaming on my own when I was like 8, and was surprised to learn it's a real thing several years later.

It can't possibly help me deal with things like talking to or being interesting to women IRL though.
 

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Open-mindedness is good, but I believe it can go way too far.

Having an open mind is only a problem if it consumes too much time. You can have an open mind and not accept any new idea. You just have to be open and listen to what others have to say. Closed mindedness is the real problem.

I theorize that there is a portion of the mind that deals with critical, skeptical judgement, and when inhibited or dampened, this can result in large amounts of 'open-mindedness'. However, based on my experience of how easy it was to believe in just about anything, and being slyly tricked into various delusions based on fallacies, I favor slightly more critical analysis over open-mindedness.

Again, there is no requirement to accept the ideas. You just need to use your best judgement to separate the good from the bad. Most ideas are abstractions of something that exists in reality, so they aren't wrong, they just don't have the tools to express or define what it is.

However, being open-minded is also crucial in brilliantly being able to wrap one's head around new complex ideas. It's a great aspect of taking in information. However, I find it important (at least for myself) to take in ideas carefully, and at least resist labeling things as true fact, and be sure to realize that many things are still merely assumption, not excluding my own ideas of things.

That's more of a right-brained thing than open-mindedness. The right side of the brain can process large amounts of data. The left side is critical and can only process one idea at a time.

You might be surprised how much you believe that is entirely based on indoctrination. "Words" for example are abstractions used to communicate ideas. The meanings of words are indoctrinated into our belief system, but that doesn't mean that everyone has the same definition for the word. The "soul" is something that is defined differently by nearly everyone, so when it's used by people they may not be talking about the same idea. So words are logically inaccurate representations of ideas.

With that in mind, you need to release yourself from the definitions of words to truly understand an idea and analyze it critically.

The same thing applies to math and science. They are not perfect representations of reality, they are merely abstractions to help people understand reality. People aren't even open-minded about math and science. They are indoctrinated into your belief system.

Science (at least the scientific method) doesn't deserve such a bad light. I admire how there is clear distinction between hypothesis, testing for evidence and having a good outline for procedure, and coming up with unbiased conclusions on sound reasoning. Sure, it's an excruciatingly slow process, (at least compared to some people's standards), but really, it should be. It's too easy for some of us to get ahead of ourselves.

Science is not the problem, it's people who use it to pretend like they actually understand an idea. People need to realize that they are abstract ideas used to simplify something so that we can understand roughly how it works. Having a rough idea of how something works is generally enough to make it practical but it should not be accepted as fact. Science needs to be challenged or it loses it's value.

I have used the golden ratio in some of my artistic designs of various stuff, and photography, because I do find it to be subjectively 'pleasing' for some reason. At least in some aspects, others not so much. I wonder how it can make me a better poker player? :D

How good are you at poker now? It's not something that's very practical for someone unless they have a good handle on the game and basic strategy. I'm referring to poker games with some shared community cards, like Texas Hold'em, Horse, or Pineapple.

I use it to control the table, the flow of the chips, and peoples emotions. I move chips to people who are friendly, and take them from the asses. The friendly people usually will help you out in return, and the asses end up on tilt. The friendlier people aren't usually as good so it makes it easier to win later in the game if you're playing a tournament.

You can use it to get a read on someone to determine the strength of their hand. I typically test them during each betting stage. Most cases I will know exactly which two cards that they have before the river.

My favorite hand is when someone plays like they have the Ace with another Ace on the board. Then when the third Ace comes out, they push pretty heavy. I've called with Queen high and won more than once in this exact scenario. The odds of someone having an Ace when there are two already on the board is not very good. In most cases it's still in the deck or another player at the table tossed it out already.

It works just as well online as it does in person. It's like reading someone without seeing their face. Most of the time I don't care what my cards are; I just want to know what the other players have and if I can beat them. At all times, you need to know every possible hand that can be made between the cards on the table against what people could have in their hand. So I wouldn't teach it to anyone unless they could at least do that pretty quickly in their head.

I'm no stranger to the experience of 'understanding the universe'. I've had a couple spiritual awakenings over the last decade. The indescribable experience of everything making complete sense, and being able to explain the hidden workings of everything happening is both eerie and euphoric. It was as though I 'cracked the code' to my mind, body and spirit, and unlocked all the beautiful secrets of my life and it's relation to the entire universe.

Yep, it's awesome isn't it?

A few weeks of pacing, thinking deeper, and mumbling all kinds of bumble jabbo, afforded me a trip to the mental health unit, and from that point on, it took awhile to get me back on track again.

That sucks. I had my breakdown all at once, and it lasted maybe 5 minutes at the most. There's no way to convince anyone of your ideas because most people can not let go of their preconceived ideas of reality. E.g. Trying to understand an idea without words is impossible for someone who depends on them.



Currently, where I stand, I look back to it, and perhaps I did have valuable unworldly knowledge, but I somewhat doubt it. It all goes back to what I said about open-mindedness. I think my critical thinking was severely dampened or inhibited, or a more common explanation; too many neural connections with excess of a dopamine neurotransmitter, in certain portions of the brain.

In my opinion there is lots there that need more methodical experimentation and research before coming to solid conclusions.

Yep, that is absolute. The definition of "indoctrination" is to accept something without critical examination. They say that education isn't "indoctrination" but it absolutely is.

Understanding something with just math or the scientific method, or with our limited senses is not critical enough to validate an idea. You need to approach it from all angles and criticize every part of it.

Here's an exercise that you can use to figure out if you understand an idea or if it has been indoctrinated into your belief system...

Take an idea that you are pretty sure that you understand. For example, the concept of "square".

Then imagine how it sounds, what color it is, how it feels, what emotions that represents, and so on.

If you have a good understanding of "square", then you should be able to answer those questions. It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong, but if you haven't thought of it to this degree, then how can you say that you have analyzed it critically?

Don't think a "square" has a sound? Compare it to a circle.

The concept of sharp and dull, jagged and stable, boring and worldly can all be used to describe these shapes. These are inherent to the concepts of square and circle.

Next test... Can circles ever be square without changing their shape? (the answer is yes, but what form would it take to do this?)
 
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