I have a game you will not stop playing..ever.

[Vegard Pompey]

By normal gameplay you can take lava to anywhere you like

How?

 

[Cobra]

Define doable. With the watervator, you can leave holes in the structure of the shaft so the user can walk out onto the desired floor without out having to bust through anything (the sponges keep the water at bay). I can conceive possibly a lavavator which would have to have iso-chambers that you'd have to manually bust through and then reseal to make sure your rooms don't get flooded with lava, but I think that would be defeating the purpose, I think, of facilitation and ease of access. Doable, nonetheless. Is that what you had in mind?

A question about lava. It travels up?? How would you get it to go up a sky scraper like that? I don't get it.

I'm still racking my brain trying to figure out a cool thing to do with the lava I found while digging out my underground mansion...

After all is said and done, I may also make it a golden mansion. I am not gay. I just would like to appear gay to everyone who comes to my mansion.

 

[SEPKA]

@VP: one type of buildable block wil melt into lava if you build it near lava. So essentially you can suck up lava from the underground. It is the block in row 2 on the right, I can't remember the exact position.
@Cobra: something interesting about lava and water is that it do not suffer from Pascal's law of pressure. So...
L=lava; G=glass
L G
L G
L L L L G
L L L L G
L G G G G
L G
... and so on
The lava will not escape through the opening despite the whole column of lava pressure on it. Same go for water.

EDIT: Am I hallucinating? I'm so sure that I just saw Cobra post something before me!

 

[Cobra]

You're not. That happens sometimes. Also I'm a ninja demon.

I see your method now. Neat. Although the watervator is still more convenient and more like a regularvator.

EDIT: you know what would be so cool? A water/lava maze separating them by glass!

Also, a question: what happens when lava and water meet? Rock?

 

[SEPKA]

Phew now I can see the "invisible" post.
Yes, when they meet the rock is formed (however I noticed they sometimes do not form at exactly where they meet but slightly off).
I like the idea of the lava+glass+water maze; obscure vision teased by the occasion glimse of the other part of the maze...mmmm
I have a hunch that VP's server will get destroyed (filled with lava) so I come back to post a...

***DISCLAIMER***WARNING***CAUTION***
Working with high column of lava is dangerous. Beside the fact that they can potentially filled up to the sky from just normal gameplay, they are also hard to remove and will block your vision almost absolutely, so precaution needed to be taken!
When sucking up lava, always surround the would-be lava column BEFORE you start making the column (I learned this after filling the level with lava the 1st time).
Make sure there is no single hold in the column (I realize this after the 2nd time).
Do not raise the lava column too high (3rd time).

 

[Cobra]

Of course, backups can always be made of a map, right, VP?

 

[Vegard Pompey]

I do backups everytime I edit the map. There are no automatic backups, so try not to fuck up the map.

 

[Sirian]

Hello, this is my first post here, I tried minecraft and and just wanted to correct something : it is possible to make an elevator using water, actually there is no block that melt and turn into lava, but the blocks that fall (sand and gravel), if placed above water/lava, will exchange places with the fluid. Its also a bit buggy, so sometimes you will have to place several "blocks" of water/lava vertically to get them to behave like a fluid again.

thanks for making me discover the game, i hope i'll be able to meet you in the intp server, if VP wants to invite me

 

[SEPKA]

Hello, this is my first post here, I tried minecraft and and just wanted to correct something : it is possible to make an elevator using water, actually there is no block that melt and turn into lava, but the blocks that fall (sand and gravel), if placed above water/lava, will exchange places with the fluid. Its also a bit buggy, so sometimes you will have to place several "blocks" of water/lava vertically to get them to behave like a fluid again.

thanks for making me discover the game, i hope i'll be able to meet you in the intp server, if VP wants to invite me

Welcome to the forum.
I want to dispute some point here.
Sand do not exchange place with the fluid when it fall in, it merely displace (i.e remove the fluid block altogether). If you want to test this out, just drop a block of sand into the sea: if you are right then the sea level will rise.
You can make elevator using water, but you cannot make it above sea level because water cannot go above sea level.
Gravel do not exchange place with the fluid when it fall in, it also just displace. You can test this by dropping a whole column on gravel on a shallow lava pool: lava would flood the level if you are right. Gravel melt when you build it near lava, but it does not when you build it then after that pour lava at it.
Agree on the bug part.

 

[Cobra]

I'm enjoying this language study. lol

So let me get something straight here:

Hello, this is my first post here, I tried minecraft and and just wanted to correct something : it is possible to make an elevator using water, actually there is no block that melt and turn into lava, but the blocks that fall (sand and gravel), if placed above water/lava, will exchange places with the fluid. Its also a bit buggy, so sometimes you will have to place several "blocks" of water/lava vertically to get them to behave like a fluid again.

thanks for making me discover the game, i hope i'll be able to meet you in the intp server, if VP wants to invite me

Hello. This is my first post here. I tried Minecraft and just wanted to correct some things said earlier: though there is no block that melts and turns into lava, it is possible to make an elevator above sea level with water using either sand or gravel to raise water levels as they fall and switch places with the water at the bottom. This is sometimes buggy, though, so you might have to have several cubes of water depth for it to rise like real fluid in this way.

Thanks for helping me discover this game. I hope I'll be able to meet you in INTP World, if VP invites me.

So theoretically, if what Sirian says is true, one could continually raise water or lava up through a tube by dumping sand or gravel into the tube so long as there are several cubes depth of water or lava at the bottom to be raised. Then by deleting the sand or gravel at the bottom once one has reached the desired height, the water or lava would fill it in while not lowering the desired level.

Welcome to the forum.
I want to dispute some point here.
Sand do not exchange place with the fluid when it fall in, it merely displace (i.e remove the fluid block altogether). If you want to test this out, just drop a block of sand into the sea: if you are right then the sea level will rise.
You can make elevator using water, but you cannot make it above sea level because water cannot go above sea level.
Gravel do not exchange place with the fluid when it fall in, it also just displace. You can test this by dropping a whole column on gravel on a shallow lava pool: lava would flood the level if you are right. Gravel melt when you build it near lava, but it does not when you build it then after that pour lava at it.
Agree on the bug part.

Welcome to the forum. I want to dispute your statements here. Sand does not exchange places with fluid as it sinks, it merely displaces it (i.e. removes the fluid block altogether). If you want to test this claim, drop a block of sand or gravel into the sea; if I am wrong, then the sea level will rise.

You can make an elevator with water, but you cannot make it above sea level (due to the aformentioned mechanical claim).

Much like sand, gravel also does not exchange with fluid cubes as it falls; it, too, displaces them. Test this the same way you'd test the sand in water claim. Gravel melts when you place it in or adjacent to lava, but not when you pour lava onto it.

We are in agreeance on the "buggy" claim.

So this contradicts what Sirian was saying, but I'm not sure the counter-argument is convincing enough. I'll have to test Sirian's claim. SEPKA's claiming that dumping a block of sand in the ocean would raise the sea level, but that's not a good analogy because the ocean's a large body of water. Sirian, I think, was just referring to an elevator shaft.

Though I think I have to go with SEPKA on this one. Pretty sure he's right, even if his analogy was straight up absurd. ; P

EDIT: I am not bilingual, but imagine that learning English as a second language is a pain in the fucking ass. Ignore me when I poke fun. (This is a sign of affection! I Fe you guys!)

 

[Sirian]

Cobra : As you have guessed, english is not my native language, actually i'm french. And don't worry, i take no offence

SEPKA : Well at first i tried to put every kind of block in lava and none would melt, then i googled it, and i found someone saying that sand/gravel would switch places with the fluid its dropped in. So i ran some tests and i was able to completely flood maps with water and lava. Then i posted it here. The distance does not matter : as long as the the sand/gravel is dropped above a fluid, it will work (well i only used sand but i assume its the same with gravel).

The main difference is that lava is much slower than water. Oh, and expect a lot of lag if you flood a whole map.

Correct me if i'm wrong somewhere.

 

[SEPKA]

I just do some test. Sorry I was wrong, Sirian is correct.
Somehow for water I always get bugged and get a lone block of water hover in the air, but lava work normally most of the time. I think that is why I cannot raise the sea level by merely dropping a piece of sand into it.
So now Cobra can construct a watervator anywhere
Be careful though, water spread much faster than lava, at least it is less annoying if it does flood.
You can dump a block of of sand into water, then destroy it, the water will not fall back.
But why? Why am I so bad at English??? I'm living in an English-speaking country!!!

 

[Sirian]

Oh by the way, i tried to use the sand/water thing in INTP World and it didnt work, the sand was floating on the water, i guess it was fixed for multiplayer maps since any individual could cause endless grief with it. Also, Sepka, it seems that if you want to get water to work properly, you have to put at least 2 blocks of water together vertically.

 

[Cobra]

I like how both of your theories sounded correct, but neither were entirely correct. All of our iNtuitions need calibrating!

 

[asdfasdfasdfsdf]

Oh by the way, i tried to use the sand/water thing in INTP World and it didnt work, the sand was floating on the water, i guess it was fixed for multiplayer maps since any individual could cause endless grief with it. Also, Sepka, it seems that if you want to get water to work properly, you have to put at least 2 blocks of water together vertically.

when i use the trick with the falling gravel, it trades places with the water below it.
i flooded the shit out of my beautiful one player world..
good thing i didnt overwrite it.

 

[Cobra]

Oh by the way, i tried to use the sand/water thing in INTP World and it didnt work, the sand was floating on the water, i guess it was fixed for multiplayer maps since any individual could cause endless grief with it. Also, Sepka, it seems that if you want to get water to work properly, you have to put at least 2 blocks of water together vertically.

Elaborate. I didn't understand what you meant.

Did you mean that you tried to make a watervator in INTP World, and it didn't work?

And then by "fixed for multiplayer maps" do you mean that the watervator (above sea level) trick only works in a single player map?

 

[Sirian]

Ok i'll elaborate : the sand/water thing = dropping sand (because sand needs to be supported or it falls) above water. When you do that, water switch places with the sand and floods its container. Two blocks of water is enough to flood an entire map. And, as i said, it doesn't work on multiplayer map, only on solo maps. So my guess is that it was removed because of griefers (aka people who enjoy ruining other people's game experience).

So yes, it means that a watevator in INTP world can't be made using this technique, i guess it will require some kind of admin editing instead.

Is my english so bad ?

 

[Cobra]

Hahaha. No it's not so bad. I just needed elaboration on "the sand/water thing" because we were referring to so many "things" before.

And then when you said "fixed for multiplayer" I was trying to clarify if I had understood you correctly, and I did. The trick you brought up only works in Single Player.

So sad. It's a neat trick.

 

[Cobra]

Look what I can do!

DO A BARREL ROLL!!!

VP, as you can see, closing down the server is obviously a detriment to INTP World.

 

[asdfasdfasdfsdf]

Look what I can do!

DO A BARREL ROLL!!!

VP, as you can see, closing down the server is obviously a detriment to INTP World.

yeah.. i tried to connect earlier.. and i couldnt.. but i didnt think it was a problem with the server.

 

[Vegard Pompey]

I am currently in Karesuando, and I don't have good internet here. I'll be back in Kiruna late Sunday.

...but what's worse is, I may have irreversibly destroyed the map. The last backup is from 2 days ago, but I'll first see if there is absolutely no way for me to repair the damage I have done. I'm terribly sorry and too ashamed to post details.

It has to do with water, though. Take a guess.

 

[asdfasdfasdfsdf]

raised water level?
we could just sponge it up a little..

 

[asdfasdfasdfsdf]

i mean.. at least it wasnt lava...

 

[Vegard Pompey]

Indeed. Actually I can remove all the water above water level, and I can easily drain all flooded buildings. The real problem will be underground areas that are connected to water bodies but separated with sponges - they may have to be fixed with sponges in-game.

 

[asdfasdfasdfsdf]

Indeed. Actually I can remove all the water above water level, and I can easily drain all flooded buildings. The real problem will be underground areas that are connected to water bodies but separated with sponges - they may have to be fixed with sponges in-game.

...
... oh no
i hope my lava thing is still good.

 

[Cobra]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. OMG. *sigh* Well... it's just a game, after all. lol But that's both hilariously disappointing and disappointingly hilarious. Hope it can be fixed. No worries. Even if the backup is kind of old (cant remember if i made any neat changes in the last 2 days.

Was it while you were working on the watervator? lol

In regards to the lava house... I hope it's still okay, too! That thing was wicked!

 

[Vegard Pompey]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. OMG. *sigh* Well... it's just a game, after all. lol But that's both hilariously disappointing and disappointingly hilarious. Hope it can be fixed. No worries. Even if the backup is kind of old (cant remember if i made any neat changes in the last 2 days.

Was it while you were working on the watervator? lol

In regards to the lava house... I hope it's still okay, too! That thing was wicked!

Yup, the watervator. There was a hole in it somewhere. The thing is, all the previous times I accidentally flooded the world, the server was killed by lag and was unable to save any changes. I thought that would happen again if I flooded the world, which I thought I would be extra careful not to do anyway. But I did flood the world, and, unaware of it, I left the server running as I went off to eat, and this gave the server time to solve its lagging issues and save the map...

As far as I can recall, you, Cobra, are the one who made the most progress in those two days. Anyway for now I've started the server again with the backup. So at least it's up. I am going to finish kantor's watervator but I'll be extra sure to backup rigorously as I do so and will beyond that one watervator institute a no-watervator policy.

 

[asdfasdfasdfsdf]

for some reason i havent been able to connect in a long time.
instead of it saying "welcome to intp world" it just starts a single player map.
am i trying to connect when the server is down.. or is it up?

 

[Cobra]

So I finished expanding/hollowing out (and making accessable) The Super Church of Latterday Bros. (kind of). The buttons on Mario are eye-level windows on the second floor. His eye is also a lookout point.

My newer ideas for this structure are in development. I was thinking of making a giant star above his head with some depth and hollowing it out to put a bell-like structure inside it and a staircase that leads up to it giving off the impression that you can ring it, but that's a lot of work for something doesn't function... But, then again, all of this stuff doesn't really function per se, so it's not like it would be more a waste of time than the rest of the map! lol

I apologize for not building more on the surface, but I've come to realize that my true calling is in the subterranean INTP World! You may refer to me as the Moleman, if you so desire, however, choose your words wisely when speaking to the Moleman as it just may be the difference between 6" under and dead & a mile deep and dying! FOREVER!!! Mwahahaha!

In all seriousness, I'm addicted to hollowing out my sub-earth mansion, which grows and grows the more I find conveniently placed caverns not in use. I now know what it must have been like to be a young Bruce Wayne hollowing out the Bat Cave. It's really beginning to be something neat. Go check it out sometime. It's getting HUGE. I'm already finding myself adding furnishings here and there (can't resist) because it helps me make suppositions as to what a room's function is. Last thing I touched was the hot tub I installed in the upper lounge area's new bathroom (currently unfinished). Hot tub will be "heated" by a glassed off layer of lava beneath the water (gonna have to be real careful!).

Question for the wise about lava physics: same as water physics only slower and more permanent, obviously? I want to know before I try anything.

And another question: what did we establish about the fluid tricks in INTP World?

This is what I gathered (let me know, if I'm wrong):

- Raising fluid levels trick only works on a Single Player map?
- Melting gravel with lava doesn't work on a Multi-Player map?

Oh, and snikt! I have deep depth grass, so if you want me to work on getting grass into your lava exhibit, let me know, and I'll be vigilante, when I have time (and extremely careful), in delivering the goods! There is sub-terranean grass a mere 40-60 cubic feet from your area. To be clear (on the idea of being careful), it would entail ripping a crevice into the earth and allowing sunlight to direct the chain-grow operation all the way to your spots within the lava cavern where you just have soil glassed off with trees and such. Afterward, I'd probably allow you to fill in the crevice once the grass had grown in the selected areas. Be advised, you'd have to have sunlight coming down from above.

 

[Vegard Pompey]

Staying in Karesuando for a few days, expect to see the server up less.

 

[SEPKA]

@Cobra: well, I think lava is like water except slower and cannot be removed by sponge. However you can solidfy lava into rock by throwing water on it. You can also remove lava by building any block into lava to replace it.
As for the trick, melting gravel trick never work: the apparent melting is actually due to gravel fall into lava and raise the lava level. The raising fluid level never work in Multiplayer.
Another things to note about fluid is that they don't suffer Pascal's law of pressure, so you can build a fluid column with opening just like a barometer (btw I also establish that there are no air or air with no weight).
One tip for you: if you want to build a subterra level, hide sponge around the perimeter and the top to avoid potential flood which is quite annoying to clean (unless your subterra level is meant to be filled with water of course).

 

[Tink]

My point was, you were making it sound like playing with Legos was an INTP defining activity, when I'd say it's a bit more SP than it is INTP.[/QUOTE]


Lego, minus the instructions are an INTP treat. Not S.

 

[SEPKA]

Lego, minus the instructions are an INTP treat. Not S.

Lego have instruction?

 

[Cobra]

Lego have instruction?

Hahahaha.

 

[Cobra]

VP, is everything okay in Karesuando? Is there something serious going on that prevents me from making addiction to Minecraft jokes about the server being down?

 

[Vegard Pompey]

VP, is everything okay in Karesuando? Is there something serious going on that prevents me from making addiction to Minecraft jokes about the server being down?

Sorry, I'll be getting back to Kiruna as soon as possible. I'll definitely be there by Saturday, but I hope I can get there sooner.

 

[Cobra]

These Swedish cities sound like awesome Final Fantasy map locations.

You didn't answer my question. Is everything OK?

 

[Vegard Pompey]

These Swedish cities sound like awesome Final Fantasy map locations.

Final Fantasy Arctic Edition. Can't walk to the grocery store without half a dozen random encounters with polar bears.

You didn't answer my question. Is everything OK?

Maybe.

 

[Cobra]

Final Fantasy Arctic Edition. Can't walk to the grocery store without half a dozen random encounters with polar bears.

Well, now you're just toying with my US-based lack thereof in adequate geographical education! Plain mean!

Btw, "America" is the greatest country in the world, and the Carribean is located somewhere in "England."

Maybe.

You better fess up, chief. You okay?

 

[Cobra]

Built this Joker face on underd0g's server.

Anyone notice the crazy changes on Minecraft yet? I think they're new as of today. Buncha new brick types and a wierd hammer in your hand, mouse click changes, continuous jumping, etc. Many changes! Go check 'em out!

 

[Cobra]

YES WE CAN hide behind Mega Man. I'm on a Roll tonight. (get it?)

 

[transformers]

Hehe fun game. I spent longer on it than I intended to.

 

[Puffy]

Your World lacks a lighthouse, fundamental to an INTP world

 

[Cobra]

Actually, I think snikt built one as one of the first things in the map. One of the corners, I believe. Check again.

 

[GarmGarf]

Is there any way to re-make grass (on top of dirt)?


Edit: k, it turns out grass grows naturally on dirt when under sunlight.

 

[Vegard Pompey]

Nothing much has happened in INTP World lately, I think only Cobra and me have been building. It seems my address will change every time I move from Kiruna to Karesuando or back, and I do that every other weekend or so. I am currently sending the new address each time to Cobra, kantor1003, Sirian and sniktawekim. Anyone else I should add to that list?

 

[Cobra]

Is there any way to re-make grass (on top of dirt)?


Edit: k, it turns out grass grows naturally on dirt when under sunlight.

There's just one more requirement: the dirt cube also has to be touching a grass cube. The grass cube can be just to its diagonal (so if you have a 3x3 plot, you could stack 1 on top of that plot in the middle, and, as long as 1 cube of that plot has grass, and the 1 stacked has sunlight, it will grow grass), but I recently was a bit shocked when grass grew below a dual stack of grass (so I had 2 stacked, and there was grass on the very top, and there was dirt all around below, and suddenly the dirt below began to grow grass... all had sunlight, of course). So perhaps the radius is similar to the sponge water repelling radius. Not sure, I'll test this.

 

[GarmGarf]

I am currently sending the new address each time to Cobra, kantor1003, Sirian and sniktawekim. Anyone else I should add to that list?

I would appreciate being added to the list.

I can't guarantee that I will be active much or not, though. I'm new to MineCraft and don't know whether I like it or not yet, lol.

I do wish to see how INTP Land is doing in first person though.

 

[asdfasdfasdfsdf]

ever since i upgraded to windows 7, it wont load minecraft.

 

[Nicholas A. A. E.]

How do I join this server? I don't see it listed on the public servers list.