I can post again!

[cheese]

I don't have any desire to censor opinions or hinder discussion, if Adymus had simply stated that he honestly disliked Anthile or his attitude I could respect that, it would be an opinion, but once ad hominems or flames/insults are introduced it always goes downhill from there.
If you want an example go to /b/ or read through YouTube comments; various individuals all intent on attacking others according to what they personally value.


"Fuck You" is just another way of implying that you dislike somebody while also making every attempt to show an absence of respect towards them.

The line between an honest remark and a personal attack because of temporary emotional instability is very important and using words specifically designed to denote lack of respect makes your intent quite obvious.
Arguing why they're defined as they are isn't much different than arguing why any other term is defined as it is, and I do not care to get into a philosophical debate in absence of the point.
I'm sure Adymus was aware of the connotations of "Fuck You".

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My perception of this is structured and not emotionally charged - I can assure you that I do not antagonize or dehumanize others and can't help but assume that that is the problem at the center of many, many conflicts; my attachment to this forum is minimal and while I would honestly tell any member if I disliked them or my opinion on their intelligence should it be asked (assuming I bothered responding at all to such a query) I do not ban people based on any reason other than them displaying disrespect for another member, trolling or causing excessive chaos within the forum in some other way.

I could care less whether members are offended by something, just treat one another as something more than dirt, please.


At worst I think Adymus has a bit of a temper, he's not intent on insulting others but can lash out at them as if they were lesser beings when frustrated, which is why he's only going to be away for three days, the shortest ban I've ever given (most of the others being infinite in duration).

Thanks for responding; wasn't expecting it.

I'm not saying he shouldn't have been banned, I just wonder why the criteria doesn't seem to cover all situations. All that you mentioned I have seen displayed countless times [well, it feels that way; I'm sure I could reach a concrete number if I tried] by respected members, just with a lack of obscenities; the intent and message are equally hostile and charged with situational emotion. But then as I said I probably interpret these things differently to others.

I still have a bunch of contentions, but I suspect neither of us are particularly interested in hashing it out here. I'll just go think over it more to see what I might have missed. Anyway Cow, have a frown-free day! (hopefully)

*edit
Anthile, well if it's just profanity, then it is consistent and I haven't a problem with the application of rationale (I assume you mean profanity intentionally directed with hostile intent towards someone else) beyond understanding.

 

[Minuend]

I bet you would make a great marshmallow.

Probably a better marshmallow than a human.

 

[SpaceYeti]

I've temp-banned Adymus for three days for something that anybody should be able to recognize is obviously immature behavior, he's lucky it's only for this long but I'm hoping he'll get the point.

Argue with maturity and respect, please.
Your perception of whether or not somebody else is being respectful does not justify immature retaliation or flaming.

So being immature is based on whether or not you curse?

 

[Subotai]

I fail to see what Anthile did wrong.
Am i missing Some previous conflicts?

 

[nexion]

So being immature is based on whether or not you curse?

in truth, using baseless insults is immature, whether with cursing or not.

 

[DarkGreen]

 

[SpaceYeti]

in truth, using baseless insults is immature, whether with cursing or not.

What if it's not baseless, but you cursed instead of using a lot of other words to say essentially the same thing?

 

[kantor1003]

What if it's not baseless, but you cursed instead of using a lot of other words to say essentially the same thing?

Fuck you.

Spoiler

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Yeti draws out our Fe fetish for drama.

Is this part of a theory or just arbitrary speculation? Because ENFJs are semi-duals for INTPs and that's the latest type for SpaceYeti.

I want to go back to the funny pictures. TmT

It's a bit too late for that, my dear.

 

[nexion]

What if it's not baseless, but you cursed instead of using a lot of other words to say essentially the same thing?

I see no problem with that. "Cursing" words are words just as any other word is... I really don't understand the distinction.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Is this part of a theory or just arbitrary speculation? Because ENFJs are semi-duals for INTPs and that's the latest type for SpaceYeti.


It's a bit too late for that, my dear.

ENFJ, huh? I wish I could get my hands one one of the tests given to me instead of the gay online ones. I'd like to see if I've changed or if the old ones were, perhaps, off. I doubt it, but everyone here keeps insisting I'm not an INTP just because I admit philosophy is mostly masturbatory and expect a question to be actually answered instead of danced around.

 

[nexion]

ENFJ, huh? I wish I could get my hands one one of the tests given to me instead of the gay online ones. I'd like to see if I've changed or if the old ones were, perhaps, off. I doubt it, but everyone here keeps insisting I'm not an INTP just because I admit philosophy is mostly masturbatory and expect a question to be actually answered instead of danced around.

I'm not sure about much of this typology stuff (and really don't care what type I am, I think I might could reasonably be INFP by now) but I do now that anybody could easily lie on the test, whether consciously or subconsciously, and you have to admit that it is a possibility that you inadvertently screwed up the results in this manner.

But I do wish I could get a real one. And a real IQ test, too.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Sure, I may have lied on the test by accident. I don't deny that. But even still, after ten years, INTP is still the most like me of all the types, judging by descriptions and the few online tests I take. Maybe I can get an Army psychologist to give me a more accurate test? Have they modified the test at all in the past few years?

Also, an IQ test doesn't really do anything for you. It's neat to know, but of zero actual use. I'd focus more on practicing logic and reasoning, which are actually useful regardless what your IQ is. Having a high IQ means only that you catch onto it faster. That's all.

 

[nexion]

Sure, I may have lied on the test by accident. I don't deny that. But even still, after ten years, INTP is still the most like me of all the types, judging by descriptions and the few online tests I take. Maybe I can get an Army psychologist to give me a more accurate test? Have they modified the test at all in the past few years?

Also, an IQ test doesn't really do anything for you. It's neat to know, but of zero actual use. I'd focus more on practicing logic and reasoning, which are actually useful regardless what your IQ is. Having a high IQ means only that you catch onto it faster. That's all.

Yeah, I know. Actually, I think that generally, among INTPs, that they are highly logical and whatnot, but perhaps not very practical/relevant much to the world. Maybe.

 

[Melllvar]

The tests are a joke, IMO. Here's my idea of how they work:

1) Tell us about yourself by answering these questions about yourself.

2) Read a vague, horoscope-like description that could fit nearly anyone and will encourage you to find similarities between yourself and the description.

I put about as much faith in this stuff as I do in the 12-year-cycle animal descriptions on placemats at Chinese restaurants.

INTPf's cool because most of the people here have a lot in common, and (in general) we all seem to have more in common with each other than we do with 99.999% of the rest of the world. That's it. Typology sucks, IMO, it's just cool having a forum of people I can actually relate to (unlike my RL).

Edit: That was my long winded way of saying, why even really care what "type" SpaceYeti is?

 

[SpaceYeti]

Yeah, I know. Actually, I think that generally, among INTPs, that they are highly logical and whatnot, but perhaps not very practical/relevant much to the world. Maybe.

No, not very practical. It took me a hot minute to figure out that relevant things are more important than the fancies of my imagination. Hell, I took my IQ test the first chance I got, just to see. I also thought MENSA would be cool to join, but my friend told me it's just people who happen to be smart who gather and talk about stuff. It's not like they solve world problems or anything.

 

[DarkGreen]

 

[DarkGreen]

 

[DarkGreen]

This is 'punny'.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Yay for puns!

 

[nexion]

No, not very practical. It took me a hot minute to figure out that relevant things are more important than the fancies of my imagination. Hell, I took my IQ test the first chance I got, just to see. I also thought MENSA would be cool to join, but my friend told me it's just people who happen to be smart who gather and talk about stuff. It's not like they solve world problems or anything.

I think it is perfectly possible for the two to overlap, and, perhaps, if the INTP population put forth a little effort, or got out of flights of fancies, and collaborated, even for just a short time, some real shit could be done. I guess the same could be said for most anyone, though. Maybe.

I do desire to be more practical and pragmatic in my everyday life, but I will always be interested in metaphysics and philosophy regardless. who knows, maybe they are practical?

...

Seriously, though, have you ever thought about it?

 

[SpaceYeti]

I think it is perfectly possible for the two to overlap, and, perhaps, if the INTP population put forth a little effort, or got out of flights of fancies, and collaborated, even for just a short time, some real shit could be done. I guess the same could be said for most anyone, though. Maybe.

I do desire to be more practical and pragmatic in my everyday life, but I will always be interested in metaphysics and philosophy regardless. who knows, maybe they are practical?

...

Seriously, though, have you ever thought about it?

Sure, it could overlap, but when was the last time you saw a headline saying "MENSA cures AIDS" or "MENSA invents antimatter propulsion"? Also, I've never really seen INTPs as the people who get together and do things. I'd say they're much more power behind the throne types, who do the planning that others see out.

There's nothing wrong with an interest in metaphysics or philosophy, and I would never expect anyone to give it up. Especially since I fancy my own flight in those lanes. But practicality is important for what should be obvious reasons. There are simply things you must do in order to live a happy life, such as paying your bills and having a job at which you earn the money to do so with.

Thought about what? INTPs tossing ideas off of each other, and then getting up and doing something with them? Not seriously. Geniuses already do that, though not as a group, necessarily. I'm talking about experimental pharmacology and engineers and people who improve our lives by advancing our technology and abilities.

 

[nexion]

Sure, it could overlap, but when was the last time you saw a headline saying "MENSA cures AIDS" or "MENSA invents antimatter propulsion"? Also, I've never really seen INTPs as the people who get together and do things. I'd say they're much more power behind the throne types, who do the planning that others see out.

I have never heard about MENSA doing anything. But it doesn't mean they can't or necessarily won't.

I definitely agree with you about INTP's having ideas and others making those ideas reality. But I want to find some sort of equilibrium between the two in my own life. I need a few good hands-on hobbies and projects, is what I think.

There's nothing wrong with an interest in metaphysics or philosophy, and I would never expect anyone to give it up. Especially since I fancy my own flight in those lanes. But practicality is important for what should be obvious reasons.

Yes, I understand. I wish I had motivation to do things, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, to make my thoughts into a reality. not many of my thoughts are wholly impossible (given the right resources, of course). I usually keep my possible thoughts and impossible fantasies entirely separated.

There are simply things you must do in order to live a happy life, such as paying your bills and having a job at which you earn the money to do so with.

You killed me with this sentence. Utterly killed me.

Thought about what? INTPs tossing ideas off of each other, and then getting up and doing something with them? Not seriously. Geniuses already do that, though not as a group, necessarily. I'm talking about experimental pharmacology and engineers and people who improve our lives by advancing our technology and abilities.

Well, I was actually talking about thinking that philosophy and metaphysics were perhaps practical. I see myself as more of a scientist type, which is what you were saying earlier, we come up with ideas and others (the engineers) make those ideas and theories a working reality. But I would love more than anything to be perfectly capable of both, and I'm going to be attending college at a prestigious engineering school, so you can expect me to do some engineering classes.

I think that my first step is obviously not to stop thinking about many subjects for hours per day, but instead cut the many more hours wasted doing neither meaningful thinking nor meaningful anything really. I think I might would be willing to temporarily deny myself any form of relaxation and fun to bring about some permanent change. Now... I just gotta do it.

(more interesting than this conversation itself is that you have seemed to take an isolation from other INTPs, referring to them in the third-person rather than first-person plural)

 

[SpaceYeti]

Sure, just because MENSA doesn't do anything it doesn't mean they won't. However, I'd rather cash in with the poeple who are currently doing things (scientists, engineers, doctors, etc), as their resume in the department of "doing stuff" is simply more impressive.

I wish I had the motivation to finish the stories I begin. I could probably be a writer right now if I only maintained my interest in telling those stories through the amount of time it takes to write them.

They're practical in the sense that they lead to an understanding of logic, which gives you a clearer perception of reality and a better ability to make wise decisions. Past that, past the point they have a use, they lack a use, though. Obviously.

If you're like me, denying yourself your mental fancies is a poor decision. The trick is to simply get up and doing something. Do one practical thing a day, perhaps?

 

[nexion]

God. I really don't know. Let me go figure out who I am and then who I want to be, and then I'll be back.

I'm not sure if I'm serious.

 

[cheese]

I think what you're saying yeti makes a lot of sense. I don't see why disagreeing is a matter of typology. Just seems practical; it's not like none of us complain about our spaceyness - we have whole threads devoted to it. Deciding to try to fix the problem instead of just getting depressed about it doesn't seem like an impossibilty for the INTP, just a rarity. All you've done is extend the practicality to other areas as well. Not everyone needs to satisfy the system (to reap the benefits etc) for a happy life, but if you do, then it makes sense to damn well do it. Which doesn't mean we will, but that doesn't exclude it either.

I know two ENTPs who've each (separately; they don't know each other) figured out the principles on which the world works, and those of how they'd like their own life to work, and simply put it into place. They're two of the most organised, efficient people I know, and they get a fair bit done. They're still full of ideas and do crazy zany shit but they've got their life together (on their own terms). I'm not advocating kowtowing to the system as a rule, but if you need to for the things you want and refuse to go without, then you better do it.

Of course, I might not be INTP. Bollocks.

 

[Mello]

I think I missed the party.

 

[nexion]

I think I missed the party.

Party? why wasn't I invited?

 

[Minuend]

Is this part of a theory or just arbitrary speculation?

Neither

<----- barely knows anything about typology.

 

[SpaceYeti]

I think I missed the party.

The cake was delicious and moist.

 

[echoplex]

Thread summary:

Spoiler

* I'm back yay!

* I love/hate you

* dudes not one of us​

* he's another us, just not this us​

* I know which us he is​

* omg his face​

* oh how stupid, plant a tree​

* arrrgh I hate you​

* rwwwar hate, fuck, etc.​

* stop it you guys, maybe we should plant a tree​

* I plant trees all the time​

* I just like to have fun, doesn't mean I don't plant trees too

* I should be more like you​

* what just happened?​

* dude has magical powerrz​

* decree: you are hereby banished​

* does banishing make sense?​

* probably​

* but...but the children!​

* wrong I just get things done​

* wow​

* cuuuuz I'm awesome​

* I've learned nothing​

* I luv you​

This may not be entirely accurate.

 

[Cavallier]

No. No. That's pretty spot on.

 

[The Gopher]

whoa seriously guys I read the first 12 or so posts then left thinking that was the end and I just came back to this?

oh and that thread summary was just perfect.

 

[DarkGreen]

Was I the tree hugger?

 

[SpaceYeti]

Probably.

 

[Adymus]

Pulling people out of their comfort zone was pretty much the point of my first tirade. Of course I was aware that people wouldn't like it. Every other reaction from this forum would have been astounding. I'm only surprised that Adymus replied in the first place since I only attacked his 'followers' for swallowing every word. I always thought he was someone who would encourage independent thinking and skepticism, especially since these are supposedly INTP virtues. I guess I was wrong with that.

I apologize for my outburst being as disrespectful as it was, but there is still something that needs to be said, and from the looks of your comment above, it does not look like it is quite understood.

Independent mindedness and skepticism is indeed a virtue of the INTPs, and I do encourage this. What is not a virtue of the INTP is closed-mindedness, suppression of new ideas, and intimidation.

What you did (and I am sure you are aware of this despite how you are acting like you were only promoting independent thinking) was more than promoting skepticism, you were stomping out the possible validity of a new idea, and then insulting people for only giving the idea a chance.

This is far more than skepticism, this is rigid closed-minedness. Skepticism would be simply reminded people that this is not a scientifically proven idea, it could be correct, and it might not be, thus you should not yet completely submit to it's premise. As opposed to saying, there is no way this idea is even possible, and you are stupid if you are even going to give it a chance.
In the latter example, not only are you trying to completely stomp out the idea from even being considered, you are intimidating other people from considering it with insults. This is why I replied to you, this is why I got angry, becuase this is a mentality that I find to be very destructive and a very ugly shade of Skeptic culture.
Nobody here is really taking what I say as gospel, they are simply playing with a new theory, In the exact same way that we were "playing" with MBTI when we first found out about it. MBTI is not scientifically proven, but if you actually play around with the theory, trying it on yourself and people you know, you will actually find results that are quite validating, despite lacking the approval of a scientific authority. People reading is no different, it also lacks scientific validation, but if you actually play with the idea, trying it on yourself and people you know, you will definitely see results, and very strong validating patterns.

I don't ask that people have complete faith in what I say, but that they play with it, and give it a chance. Nothing good will come from the suppression of new ideas, you might think you are saving people stupidity, but you are only destroying the chance of finding new truths to natural law.

I think if you truly cared about the development and progression of human understanding, you would be glad other people are coming up with new ways of looking at unsolved problems, and proactively coming up with solutions.
You can have your opinions and doubt, but all I ask is that you allow other people to experiment and give other ideas a try.