Hypersomnia

[Lobstrich]

I thought about it today, read a bit into it. (I won't explain it, read up yourself; Yep, great way of asking for contribtions, I know)

I'm unsure and curious about wether or not I suffer from Hypersomnia.
The reason is because I do sleep endlessly. Say I go to bed at 0600 (Long night) Sleeping till 1600 the next day is a guarantee. I've somtimes woke up 1800,1900,2000,2200, even later once. I just keep sleeping, and sleeping and sleeping. I don't really have to go to bed at 0600. The other day (A school day) I went to sleep around 2359 which is normal for me when I'm not up late. And I slept till at least 1600. And I could have slept even longer if I 'wanted' to. And I had to go to school that day.

Another thing to add is that this sleeping pattern is really interfering with my life. School absence is at least 20-30% (which is low for me. I'm struggling to keep it down because this time around they'll just kick me out if it get's too high) I just wake up, look at the clock think to myself "I NEED to show up, I'll get thrown out.. And there's even a class today which I actually enjoy!" And then I turn around. And sleep till 1600+

Third thing is that hypersomnia also mentions daytime sleepiness.. Which is not something I have. At all. When I wake up, I'm up. (obviously, unless I've only slept for 2 hours, or so)

So that's where I'm unsure, do I really suffer from hypersomnia? Or is it just extreme laziness? I have the excessive sleeping but not the excessive sleepiness. Of course you could say I'm 'daytime sleepy' when I'm trying to get up at 1600, and I choose to continue my sleep.

EDIT: Another thing I wonder about, if this is just extreme laziness. How many of you people are 'lazy' as well? How does it intefere?

 

[Bird]

You do not suffer from hypersomnia.
You know this. Silly.

 

[Lobstrich]

Why would I ask if I already knew it?

 

[Bird]

Why would you doubt yourself if you were?

 

[Lobstrich]

If I were what? Why I doubt wether or not I'm Hypersomniac? It's very simple: Because I am no doctor, and I am not educated enough to make such a conclusion. Unlike alot of INTP's I can easily admit it, when I do not know something. And I have not read into Hypersomnia enough for trust my own descision on this subject.

 

[Bird]

Oh sweet jesus Lobstrich.

If you were suffering from hypersomnia!

 

[Bird]

Did you edit your post before or after I responded?


-- and let me see if I am interpreting this correctly:

You want a forum of internet strangers to affirm or
deny that you are hypersomniac?


I think you just need to get your ass out of bed.

 

[Lobstrich]

Did you edit your post before or after I responded?


-- and let me see if I am interpreting this correctly:

You want a forum of internet strangers to affirm or
deny that you are hypersomniac?


I think you just need to get your ass out of bed.

Before you responded, or maybe meanwhile. And no I'm not looking for you to confirm or deny, I think that would be pretty obvious considering my opinion on alot of INTP's. I'm looking for some theories, maybe some speculating. The only thing there is to do to confirm it is to get diagnosed. So I guess I'm just curious.

Sweet jesus what? I don't really appreciate that 'tone' Because you think I'm in no way hypersomniac for whatever reason, doesn't mean I have the same opinion or know what it is that you're thinking.
Or maybe it's almost common sense that I am not hypersomniac, because then my sleeping patterns would be FAR worse, but I think I've already expressed my ignorance about how much I know on this matter.

"If you were suffering from hypersomnia" Then what? (I'm not trying to be smug) I'm as I said, curious =)

Yes, I maybe just need to get my ass out of the bed. Did you not notice the part in my OP where I mentioned that having crossed my mind?

 

[Bird]

I said "Sweet jesus" because I thought it
was ridiculous that you had to ask what
I was referring to.

 

[Bird]

If you're suffering from hypersomnia you seek
a medical professional.


Did you really have to ask this, too?

 

[wadlez]

Remember with these types of diagnoses thats its more of a label than a actual medical condition.
Take the DSM with psychology for example, having depression isn't a real thing like having diabetes. It can be an inescapable biological defect which is real or due to a transient subjective state, both show up the same on MRI's though.

Reading the wiki on hypersomnia I would say I could be diagnosed with it if I liked as I definitely match these symptoms. If I slept for only the actual amount of sleep I need and got into a good sleeping pattern I wouldn't have it anymore (it wasn't a real thing in the first place, just an encapsulating label).

In conclusion ,I imagine your like me and have it, but don't have a static biological cause for it

 

[Lobstrich]

If you're suffering from hypersomnia you seek
a medical professional.


Did you really have to ask this, too?

The way you expect me to know what you're thinking is quite tedious. How would I know what you're thinking? Me not assuming what you're thinking is actually something I do out of kindness..

And yes I had to ask that. Because I already said myself that I know you guys can't diagnose me. Did I not?

 

[SpaceYeti]

I have an idea! Give yourself a sleep schedule like a normal person and force yourself into it. I understand staying up all night. I used to do it. Just make yourself sleep normally.

 

[Lobstrich]

In conclusion ,I imagine your like me and have it, but don't have a static biological cause for it

I suppose so. I also read the Wiki where the mentioned what could cause this, I certaintly don't have brain damage and I really doubt I'm depressed..

 

[Bird]

So you don't suffer from any of the things
which cause hypersomnia but you think
you may be hypersomniac...

 

[Lobstrich]

I have an idea! Give yourself a sleep schedule like a normal person and force yourself into it. I understand staying up all night. I used to do it. Just make yourself sleep normally.

Lol, that is alot easier said than done.. I've tried.

 

[Lobstrich]

So you don't suffer from any of the things
which cause hypersomnia but you think
you may be hypersomniac...

Are you really ignorant enough to have an approach such as this?

 

[SpaceYeti]

Lol, that is alot easier said than done.. I've tried.

Agreed. It took joining the military for me to do it.

 

[Lobstrich]

Agreed. It took joining the military for me to do it.

Yeah, I'm not much for the military. It's way to 'S' and 'J' for me.. I mean, I can take orders. I'm a chef's apprentice (read: chef's slave) I take orders all day. But the structured way they do things in the military where you're supposed to just nod with no fucking questions is not for me. I mean, you do it by the book or you don't do it.

I would however, like to join the military to become just a bit more structured in my habits, however contradicting with my initial stance that may be, heh. As well as the 'brotherhood' I know it's cliché.

 

[SpaceYeti]

The military is far too red-taped and SJ, but it is good for you.

 

[Lobstrich]

The military is far too red-taped and SJ, but it is good for you.

Red-taped? I don't know that expression.

EDIT: I know it now, and yes I agree, red-taped.

 

[wadlez]

I don't think the hypersomnia discussion is going anywhere, so may I derail your thread by asking SpaceYeti, Why is the military good for you?

I think I understand the induction process,risks and rewards for the military and can say that no, no its definitely not good for you. And thats before taking into the account the fact your murdering people and destroying other countries for no good reason.

So, if you want to answer the question I can retort and explain my reasoning behind thinking joining the army is a terrible idea.

 

[Lobstrich]

I'm not one much for killing myself wadlez.. But what I do think the military can give me, you and SY. Is a little bit of "J" I, myself. Am VERY unstructured, as any P I suppose.

I like my P'ness, I don't want to be a semi-autist, so to speak. But a bit of control over my life and being able to manage myself.


You do realise that the military is not "Full Metal Jacket" in real life, right?

 

[SpaceYeti]

I don't think the hypersomnia discussion is going anywhere, so may I derail your thread by asking SpaceYeti, Why is the military good for you?

I think I understand the induction process,risks and rewards for the military and can say that no, no its definitely not good for you. And thats before taking into the account the fact your murdering people and destroying other countries for no good reason.

So, if you want to answer the question I can retort and explain my reasoning behind thinking joining the army is a terrible idea.

The military requires that you grow some SJ. Further, it requires exercise, something I'd do off and on before joining to no significant effect. You get sent to classes all the time and generally learn stuff that's actually useful, it pays the bills, and you can get college payed for. Really, the only downside is the chance of getting killed or maimed, but the statistics for getting killed while deployed is lower than the risk for soldiers dying in automobile accidents while in garrison (granted, we all drive like jackasses). Besides the "murdering" people and "destroying" other countries, which is a wholly separate topic as far as I'm concerned, I'd like to hear your reasons.

 

[wadlez]

@ lobstrich

I see where your coming from.
I don't think it will increase your J though because:
J means that the types Extroverted function falls on a Judging function, so the first Extroverted function is T or F. INTP's first Extroverted function is N, so we are a Perceiving type, hence the P.
So this means that our extroverted attitude, the one we socialize and experience reality with perceives rather than judges (is open to a greater depth of experience by not forcing things into categories like a J would).
So for us to have a greater developed J we would be more inclined to put things into categories and push our views into the world rather than be open and have our view changed from the experience. As the best part of INTP's is the massive logical world of we have created from abstract theories, we would be stifling our best attribute by breaking this down into J like objective simple categories. Futhermore we wouldn't be able to push this onto the world as it is incompatible (the large theoretical world view was created very logically without the need to be congruent with the people in it).

So a sudden shunt towards J would not be possible as we are lacking the disposition of personality and world view required. We would just be trying to emulate J's like an actor, way to engineered to be possible

please hold for my reply to space yeti

 

[wadlez]

The military requires that you grow some SJ. Further, it requires exercise, something I'd do off and on before joining to no significant effect. You get sent to classes all the time and generally learn stuff that's actually useful, it pays the bills, and you can get college payed for. Really, the only downside is the chance of getting killed or maimed, but the statistics for getting killed while deployed is lower than the risk for soldiers dying in automobile accidents while in garrison (granted, we all drive like jackasses). Besides the "murdering" people and "destroying" other countries, which is a wholly separate topic as far as I'm concerned, I'd like to hear your reasons.

Lets break it down.

The military requires that you grow some SJ

As for the J I would like to refer to the above explanation I gave to lobstrich. The S on the other hand is another story.
INTP's can understand S but a move towards it is very hard for us, and identifying with it as a something we are proud of is a bad idea. We see the meaning and potential in an object by recognising them as symbols rather than to the direct sensation. Military types live in the SJ over the NP, NP is dangerous and counter productive as a SJ is a perfect robot which will form goals and motives always in line with the principals and morals of an ideal soldier, with observations from the NP destroying the foundation of these.
We can develop SJ, sure, as we are so open we will let SJ experience wash in like we do all the possible gradients of experience. The danger is that as we don't Judge and assert ourselves we get dominated by SJ and SJ types and since SJ has no value of us (as it is in opposition to NP), it will leave us feeling inferior and cannot appreciate us.
Living in a SJ world will have you constantly trying to keep your head above the water, to find value for yourself which SJ types wont recognize (and will demonize). This is the real affect of immersing yourself in an SJ world.

Further, it requires exercise, something I'd do off and on before joining to no significant effect

You can exercise out of the military enough to be healthy. Heaps of physical exercise has the ideal (which it achieves) of the person becoming ripped and physically superior. Which intuitively, as the animals we are, is a good idea. Having lived this mistake I can tell you that priding yourself on being physically superior has you sublimate yourself into a "tough" imago which stunts and censors development of any potential beyond this image. It has little reward and becomes more of a burden than an asset. Creativity and Thinking is our strength so we should focus on this.

Really, the only downside is the chance of getting killed or maimed, but the statistics for getting killed while deployed is lower than the risk for soldiers dying in automobile accidents while in garrison (granted, we all drive like jackasses)

Thats not the main thing to worry about. PTSD, having to watch someone die, having friends die, murdering someone (whether you believe the cause is just or not, its murder), living in intense fear/stress, being injured in combat.
My friend ran over a kid driving a truck and wasn't allowed to stop. He saw people die in front of him, on occasions he couldn't help them and on others he wasn't allowed to but able. War is a nightmare, don't let people trick you into going over there.
This is Vietnam. Look back on Vietnam and think how retarded it was and how useless the soldiers were against guerrilla warfare, the same is happening now but worse.

Besides the "murdering" people and "destroying" other countries, which is a wholly separate topic as far as I'm concerned, I'd like to hear your reasons.

The indoctrination process which patriotic rhetoric preaches works on the same principles and techniques of cults. The idea is that you break down the person emotionally and remove their sense of identity leaving them in an susceptible state such that you can shape them as you wish. This is how you create soldiers. The exercise in boot camps (with the facade of usefulness in battle), shaving heads and removing personal items, destroying sleep routines and keeping them in stress is how they do this. They implant what ever views they want and destroy you individuality and ability to think for yourself. This is brainwashing 101.
A soldier is not something you should strive to be, its actually the opposite. We need to think for ourselves, be independent, be unique and question the structure of society which has man kind go to the hell and stupidity which is war

 

[Lobstrich]

The indoctrination process which patriotic rhetoric preaches works on the same principles and techniques of cults. The idea is that you break down the person emotionally and remove their sense of identity leaving them in an susceptible state such that you can shape them as you wish. This is how you create soldiers. The exercise in boot camps (with the facade of usefulness in battle), shaving heads and removing personal items, destroying sleep routines and keeping them in stress is how they do this. They implant what ever views they want and destroy you individuality and ability to think for yourself. This is brainwashing 101.
A soldier is not something you should strive to be, its actually the opposite. We need to think for ourselves, be independent, be unique and question the structure of society which has man kind go to the hell and stupidity which is war

You do realise that not every country has "full metal jacket" military, right? Here in Denmark, yelling is not even allowed, neither i victimizing, punishing etc. Of course there will be those things, but it is very moderate, and just like any other workplace really.

 

[Lobstrich]

@ lobstrich

I see where your coming from.
I don't think it will increase your J though because:
J means that the types Extroverted function falls on a Judging function, so the first Extroverted function is T or F. INTP's first Extroverted function is N, so we are a Perceiving type, hence the P.
So this means that our extroverted attitude, the one we socialize and experience reality with perceives rather than judges (is open to a greater depth of experience by not forcing things into categories like a J would).
So for us to have a greater developed J we would be more inclined to put things into categories and push our views into the world rather than be open and have our view changed from the experience. As the best part of INTP's is the massive logical world of we have created from abstract theories, we would be stifling our best attribute by breaking this down into J like objective simple categories. Futhermore we wouldn't be able to push this onto the world as it is incompatible (the large theoretical world view was created very logically without the need to be congruent with the people in it).

So a sudden shunt towards J would not be possible as we are lacking the disposition of personality and world view required. We would just be trying to emulate J's like an actor, way to engineered to be possible

please hold for my reply to space yeti

I'm not very educated on the MBTI theory so I wont argue you there. But what I meant wasn't that I would litterally develop a J. What I meant was more that I would learn how to manage myself and my life, know when and where to do what, being able to take care of my homework etc.

 

[Jennywocky]

I'm not very educated on the MBTI theory so I wont argue you there. But what I meant wasn't that I would litterally develop a J. What I meant was more that I would learn how to manage myself and my life, know when and where to do what, being able to take care of my homework etc.

I don't think there's any way to do it other than do it.

I've always had issues with going to bed because I'm a night owl. Now I've been working a job where the commute's a bear and I ended up having to get up at 4:30am daily, but typically don't get to bed until after midnight. Why not? Because I have a lot of trouble committing to going to bed by 10pm, and I also have to typically take a small dose of sleeping aid to pass out.

I'm figuring, though, at some point my body will just give me the big F-U and then I'll be passing out. We can't run ourselves into the ground forever.

As far as developing personal discipline, we can do it... but I think you have to be ready. I'll never be the greatest organizer, but at some point I had to develop a modicum of organization because I tired of dealing with all the mental mess and started to miss important things like bill payments and laundry and whatever else, and couldn't function in a cramped, cluttered space efficiently.

At some point, there is a payoff to being more organized and discipline, and at that point you will make the jump. Meanwhile, it's not a bad idea to prep yourself for it by studying various techniques people use to keep themselves moving and living efficiently.

 

[bleepbloop]

http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/category/sleep

Some interesting info at that site about self-experimentation/ways to regulate sleep

 

[Lobstrich]

I don't think there's any way to do it other than do it.

I've always had issues with going to bed because I'm a night owl. Now I've been working a job where the commute's a bear and I ended up having to get up at 4:30am daily, but typically don't get to bed until after midnight. Why not? Because I have a lot of trouble committing to going to bed by 10pm, and I also have to typically take a small dose of sleeping aid to pass out.

I'm figuring, though, at some point my body will just give me the big F-U and then I'll be passing out. We can't run ourselves into the ground forever.

As far as developing personal discipline, we can do it... but I think you have to be ready. I'll never be the greatest organizer, but at some point I had to develop a modicum of organization because I tired of dealing with all the mental mess and started to miss important things like bill payments and laundry and whatever else, and couldn't function in a cramped, cluttered space efficiently.

At some point, there is a payoff to being more organized and discipline, and at that point you will make the jump. Meanwhile, it's not a bad idea to prep yourself for it by studying various techniques people use to keep themselves moving and living efficiently.

"than to do it" Yes. And by joining the military you would be forced to do it. That was my point. But yes, I agree with rest of your post.

 

[Lobstrich]

http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/category/sleep

Some interesting info at that site about self-experimentation/ways to regulate sleep

I'll check it out!