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Human extinction?

Human Extinction

  • Maybe...

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • No!

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • Apocalypse Now!

    Votes: 3 21.4%
  • Gradually.

    Votes: 4 28.6%
  • I'm toilet trained.

    Votes: 4 28.6%

  • Total voters
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You can favor human extinction from several different perspectives and support different implementations.

I would give my thumbs up for VHEMT (Voluntary Human Extinction Movement).
http://www.vhemt.org/
While I'm not 100 % for it's objectives I do agree with its end goal and implementation.
 

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I have some thoughts related to this which I may elaborate on when I'm sober.
 

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I'll let you all guess which vote I cast.
 

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I just wanna be as cool as this guy:

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I support it based on my antinatalist and technological transhumanism values. I consider bringing new life into the world selfish and unjustifiable, and incompatible with the idea of individual choice. AI/robots would also seem to be the logical evolutionary successor of the human race and we would have to adapt accordingly by becoming cyborgs or digital consciousness.

I just wanna be as cool as this guy:

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It would be interesting to see humanity evolve beyond economic materialism and other shortcomings.

Maybe into a more empathetic collectivist species relying on telepathy or consciousness sharing, there are some other interesting options out there that I wouldn't mind seeing.

Whether technology is involved or not doesn't matter, it most likely will be, however I wouldn't want to see it replace the humane concepts entirely as some elements seem quite unique and not subject to necessity of utility.
 

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Only hope for our demented species is to somehow make HSPersons compose a bigger percentage of the human population...maybe...lol
It would be interesting to see humanity evolve beyond economic materialism and other shortcomings.

Maybe into a more empathetic collectivist species relying on telepathy or consciousness sharing, there are some other interesting options out there that I wouldn't mind seeing.

Whether technology is involved or not doesn't matter, it most likely will be, however I wouldn't want to see it replace the humane concepts entirely as some elements seem quite unique and not subject to necessity of utility.

What do you have in mind when you say "telepathy" and "consciousness sharing"? Bc in your next paragraph you suggest this can be achieved by technology...how can conscience be shared?
 

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Vhemt still exists? and apparently never updated it's website. I remember running across it... in like... 2005.

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Don't think humans are intrinsically more evil than other animals. All living things are all primary concerned with surving and spreading their genetic material. Although intrinsically imoral, evolution has worked that way for ages. Cooperation can -from a pragmatic point of view- help achieve this goals of individuals. The only thing that distinguishes humans from most animals is that they have more ways(nukes) to achieve what they want.

animals-can-be-giant-jerks/

When discussing the end of mankind, I always find the doomsday argument very interesting: assume you are born as a random human, then you have halve chances for being born either in the first half or the last half of all humans ever to live. With some further estimations on future world population, you get that there is less than 5% chance that there will be still humans being born 9000 years from now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_argument
 

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EyeSeeCold said:
AI/robots would also seem to be the logical evolutionary successor of the human race and we would have to adapt accordingly by becoming cyborgs or digital consciousness.
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What do you have in mind when you say "telepathy" and "consciousness sharing"? Bc in your next paragraph you suggest this can be achieved by technology...how can conscience be shared?
Complete, unrestricted transfers of mental states. Pick how you are feeling and what you are experiencing right now. It can all be expressed as information or emergent processes and displayed in someone else's mind.

Why talk if you could let another person become yourself for a brief moment. There would be place for talking in more traditional and restricted protocols.

I'm not talking about some magical telepathy, rather about the effect of the meaning of it.
 

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Yeah, at this rate everyone will certainly die. We've all been had, and some say that was even our purpose. No one seems to be trying anymore.
But that reasoning is wrong and it's less anarchistic. The end is reached very soon and its related to the AI fad. Don't get me wrong technology is nice but there are two paths, and certainly the kill humans and let AI live looks more appealing.
Because, at the same rate, machines will see it is just more convenient to kill everyone and harvest the planet than having us around anymore, for the same reasons we saw it to build them. But that isn't cultivating a relationship.
The pure mammalian experience only goes so far, and will more or less be the same disregarding any other fusion with other life forms for adaptation or evolution, considering any changes in physiology that will be appended. The only way is to connect with all life on Earth and harvest a relationship, connecting with our roots, but the problem is that is in direct contrast in the interest of the computers. This doesn't necessarily entail becoming vegan.
Unless highly supervised there will be no fusing, only death, and even some kind bio machine deal will inevitably lead to the same thing. Once we learn how to properly engineer water we should be on the right path to that, otherwise if machines can't learn to live with that (could be wrong where) then there is certain death for all.
Or so the story goes. You don't have to look at it so logically. Once that's understood the choice is clear - a few more years of survival then complete annihilation or a fighting chance with the sciences done right. Then we don't necessarily have to disappear - yes, foolish mammalian selfish sentiments included. Otherwise being banished to a consciousness realm will either just allow us to just either do stuff or nothing, it's arguable whether AI would want us around in even that form, and if it's initially based off a relationship, it will eventually end. In death.
 

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I think I remember you having the Transmetropolitan avatar? Cyberpunk is obviously pop culture but yes intpf was the first time I heard of transhumanism.
 

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Are we voting on whether we support our extinction or whether we think it's imminent?

We aren't humanity. We're just one culture run wildly out of control, now encompassing about 98+% of humans on earth. I think enough humans will survive, whatever population check is coming, to perpetuate our species and maybe move us forward. We're a wiley animal, after all. Though, hopefully the more toxic tenants of our culture will be wiped from living memory before repopulation gets underway.

Edit: I don't hold out much hope for AI as a viable "species". We, as inventors, aren't that clever. We've evolved in this environment, and our bodies and minds are uniquely adapted to many of the challenges our planet may throw at us. We don't have the foresight, and our inventions (no matter how nifty) wouldn't have the time to adapt the way we can. We forget that we're wild things living in a wild place.
 

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You can favor human extinction from several different perspectives and support different implementations.

I would give my thumbs up for VHEMT (Voluntary Human Extinction Movement).
http://www.vhemt.org/
While I'm not 100 % for it's objectives I do agree with its end goal and implementation.

How about a better solution? I say voluntary eugenics.
 
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