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How would you describe the Distance?

Tempestas

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If you ever feel distant and/or detached from reality, events, or people around you, how would you describe it? Metaphors and other forms of creativity are encouraged. I'm working on an art project and needed some new perspectives.

For example: I often feel like I am sitting on an armchair in my head, watching the movie of my life unfold around me. And every now and then something occurs which makes me self aware of my inner armchair status-- like the, "you are now aware that you are breathing" thing. (sorry xP)

Then there are the common ghost imageries.

Closely related tangents are also encouraged, similar feelings and similar ideas.
 

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i always feel like im hovering over everything, like im observing it but not really there if you know what i mean..

I also sometimes feel that im a puzzle piece or shape hovering around, and that i can never feel 'grounded' because the shape never fits. Though on occasions i tend to find the appropriate puzzle, and it seems that my piece slides in just right, and for a while it feels pretty good :D

hope it helps and good luck on your project
 

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Sometimes I'll disassociate in response to stress or fear. My mind feels soft, and the emotional content of the world appears as if it were viewed through a pane of frosted glass; everything feels unreal, and frightening imaginings terrify me.

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Has anyone here played Majora's Mask (Zelda)? When I've been in a certain routine for more than a few months, every-day life will start to feel like it does in that game, with people doing certain things at certain times in the day or simply carrying themselves in a predictable way; the same patterns repeating themselves over and over. I've worked in a number of cafes the last few years, so you can imagine this kind of thinking in regard to the regular customers coming in each day before work, the ones on their mid morning break, and what they tend to order etc.. One place in particular was surrounding by 3 massive government office buildings, and the routine really was like clockwork.

To go off on a tangent.. In a broader sense of detachment from reality, I've done this thing since I was in high school of considering my past in terms of "eras", with each like a chapter in a book. I can recall that my very thoughts during each era have a certain theme or atmosphere to them. They're usually divided by a change in location or routine (which tends to happen every 3 - 9 months), with certain people standing out further than others in my mental image of the time.
 

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Has anyone here played Majora's Mask (Zelda)? When I've been in a certain routine for more than a few months, every-day life will start to feel like it does in that game, with people doing certain things at certain times in the day or simply carrying themselves in a predictable way;
That's funny, I was just thinking about the postman (from the game) the other day in the same way.
Most of the time I feel like an observer, often this includes narration similar to a Dostoyevsky novel.
 
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I constantly have these out of body experiences where my consiousness thinks I am floating at the google map level (to the point that its not just my mind my body is also hovering high above the earth).

Or I am drifting towards and then hovering at the scale of a subatomic particle or bio molecule. One day I was perceiving all of the DNA in each cell of my body vibarating/ spiraling towards infinity all to the same rhythm.

My consciousness fairly often is between these extremes.

Usually I've already 'returned to earth' before something like a screaming child or contrived social convention jerk me back to this dismal reality of mass-conformation.

no exogenous chemicals involved. Someday a psylocibin, ayuhuasca, DMT, mescaline, or LSD journey would likely be and extremely interesting auxiliary mode of enhancement. Maybe too interesting...

The distance for me is that space between the here and now (e.g. the need to supply food to the body, excrete it, desire for sexual stimulation etc) and where I like to be (either up in the clouds or down within the cellular level). I'm not sure exactly when it happened, but I am certain that I became decidedly bored of the typically humanoid scale at some point in my life. Maybe several years ago? For awhile I think I was in denial and tried to force interest at the typically humanoid scale but realized the effort was all in vain. Sort of like trying to find the meaning in a chicken running around with its head cutoff simultaneously chasing its own tail (chicken-dog metaphor? LOL). Humanoids are mostly pointless in their endeavors.

Generally, unless I am out in the wilderness with very little stimulation from humanoids (except a few carefully selected ones) I find planet earth to be extremely dull and unsatisfying to the point of humanoid biomass induced overstimulation (death by meaningless, unrelenting chaos).

Meanwhile the reality of the physical existence of my body tethers me to the scale of the earth's crust. Or is it more like a chain?

The internet is like having an oxygen tank to support life at these scales.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fKBhvDjuy0
 
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.. In a broader sense of detachment from reality, I've done this thing since I was in high school of considering my past in terms of "eras", with each like a chapter in a book. I can recall that my very thoughts during each era have a certain theme or atmosphere to them. They're usually divided by a change in location or routine (which tends to happen every 3 - 9 months), with certain people standing out further than others in my mental image of the time.

I do this sort of thing too. I've always done it. Maybe I'm in the middle of the 14th chapter? (never actually sat down and counted them though it wouldn't be difficult at all to formalize)
 

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Attempting to engage the external world as other people do is like stepping into quicksand for me. The more I attempt to engage in it, the more I sink and the harder it is to escape the eventual suffocation or drowning. It's usually better just to stay in my head -- comfortably detached. Going back into my head is like a rescuing branch being offered to me.

I find I like being an observer of life. Those days when I forget who I even am are my favorite days. Peaceful, serene, uninvolved -- a dissipating self-image can be quite nice.
 

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I would do it on a scale similar to a 0-10 pain scale, except with it being how much you're interested in the environment or something within the environment. 0, of course, would be no care. 1-3 would be mild care, 4-6 would be moderate care, 7-10 would be intense care.
 

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I find I like being an observer of life. Those days when I forget who I even am are my favorite days. Peaceful, serene, uninvolved -- a dissipating self-image can be quite nice.

I love this view on disassociation, its very calming. Sometimes I think of it as being like a stone in the middle of a river, just letting all the raging opinion and emotion of the world wash over and past me. Really inert I guess.

Edit: At least it would appear inert to any other casual observer. There's usually some furious, deep brain activity going on.
 

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I love this view on disassociation, its very calming. Sometimes I think of it as being like a stone in the middle of a river, just letting all the raging opinion and emotion of the world wash over and past me. Really inert I guess.

Edit: At least it would appear inert to any other casual observer. There's usually some furious, deep brain activity going on.

I enjoyed that description as well, helped me re-frame dissociation and realize that while the isolation that comes with experiencing life this way results in a lot of mental drama and pain I often choose to be this way because I enjoy painting on top of the world or living in a hybrid space.

Example: World Cup 2010. Had just moved to Amsterdam. While the whole city was partying all day I floated around on my bike and observed...then the streets cleared out completely while the entire country watched the game. I was the only person out on the street and I felt like a ghost...or like I had pressed pause on time for everyone but me (always a childhood fantasy). I had such an incredible day mostly because the dissociation allowed me to exist so much in my head whole still being very much in the world simultaneously (around so many people, biking, vividness that comes with being in a being in a new place).
 

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I like this thread. I was comfortably at home on my couch during World Cup 2010. Would have been amazing to be in a country that cared about it like the Netherlands - I'd have been in one of those crowded Amsterdam bars getting joyfully sloshed.
 

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Example: World Cup 2010. Had just moved to Amsterdam. While the whole city was partying all day I floated around on my bike and observed...then the streets cleared out completely while the entire country watched the game. I was the only person out on the street and I felt like a ghost...or like I had pressed pause on time for everyone but me (always a childhood fantasy). I had such an incredible day mostly because the dissociation allowed me to exist so much in my head whole still being very much in the world simultaneously (around so many people, biking, vividness that comes with being in a being in a new place).

World Cup 2010... I was on an a tiny island off the coast of Newfoundland. Staying at a house that had not been lived in for many years. Exploring the rocks and beaches during the day, and watching games on an old tv with terrible reception in the evening. It was weird.

I like going out at night, and hanging out on rooftops and such. For that similar paused feeling. Observing without being observed.
 

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I love this view on disassociation, its very calming. Sometimes I think of it as being like a stone in the middle of a river, just letting all the raging opinion and emotion of the world wash over and past me. Really inert I guess.

Edit: At least it would appear inert to any other casual observer. There's usually some furious, deep brain activity going on.

Babbling, mostly:

It's odd, as time goes by and I spend increasing amounts of time in solitude, how this affects my perceptions of other people. Are people really people anymore when I no longer recognize their self-concepts as being real? Are they still subjects? Or are they "meat machines" loaded with spyware or memes? Conceptual tools to enforce hierarchy, social cohesion, and mirrored growth. But, when that growth is so haphazard when resulting from that mirror, the mirror may be haphazard itself. Accurate measurements are difficult to be found unless I want my growth to be along interpersonal lines of reality. What reality do I choose?

A realization of this means there's no reference point. No measurement. Just adjectives resulting from blissful solitude. When the attachment to my ego begins to thin, a sense of panic at losing property that's been possessed for long emerges, but that ego isn't itself's property. It's a conjuration of interpersonal reality. Return to the breath and see it further dissipate, leaving only the bliss of non-conceptualized social reality -- that is, no social reality at all.

But, then the ego returns along more abstract lines (i.e. internet forums). While this is freeing in that it allows for greater self-determination, it can subtract body language from the information that allows others to determine our self-concepts and return that information back to us. But, is body language that informs others of our self-concepts freeing or restricting in much the same way that social roles given by birth can be restricting based on traditions we didn't choose. Why tie our self-concepts to a restricting social order and why tie our self-concepts to a meat machine? As we progress, we are no longer as tied down by the social orders as we once were, and, now, we find ourselves no longer as tied down by our meat machines (bodies). Odd.

The American Dream once seemed so nice in that it allowed for greater self-determination for our self-concepts via class mobility. Now, the abstract means of the internet provides even greater self-determination. It seems that this will only increase in scope and intensity as we progress. Never before have we had such options as to who we get to chose to mirror ourselves back to us.

Those who have stake in the old social order naturally resist. Their egos have too much at stake in it, much as those who had a stake in having less class mobility before the myth of the American Dream might have opposed this emerging dream. Now, those whose self-concepts are heavily tied to their bodies oppose emerging abstract forms of socialization. It's escapism, they say. But, soon we may find that those who are engaging in escapism are those left in the dust, or, rather, their social realities entirely determine by their meat machines.
 

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You know how INTPs are notorious about getting wrapped up in or obsessed with a thought/interest/idea?

Sometimes it can be stifling and indeed limiting to my perspective. Sometimes a thing (interest, obsession or even an earworm of a song) becomes so close that I can't see around it. So I thought to myself this morning, "What if I could form a notion or feeling or whatever is plaguing me into a solid substantial object like a stone? Then I can set it aside on a shelf and thereby give myself some psychological distance from it. I could string it on a necklace to look at and briefly enjoy as my whim chooses. I could leave it as a trap to spring on someone else of my choosing.".
 

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i used to have nocturnal states involving a tingling phantom sensation outside of the epidermis. i call it the tactile divide and it was accompanied by panic and despair. probably related to the mental hermitship.

a preference for the "probably related" is also probably related to this clustre of traits & experiences.

o mystery joy

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When i detach, I'm either imagine two different versions of myself having a conversation (trying to decide what to do when given an option), or am completely absorbed in some train of thought, realizing 5-10 minutes later that I cannot remember perceiving reality during this time. Thoughts or images become so prevalent in my head that I almost "see" them. I rarely see myself sitting in an armchair thinking about something though, i'm doing just that instead.
 

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Ok, this is weird but sometimes right before I fall asleep where flitting thoughts, images and the like happen but not actually asleep, I have the detached sense of myself as either expanding or imploding infinitely through time. That's the best way I can explain it??? In both cases it happens within what I think are seconds. Expanding: getting so big (or blowing up). Seeing our planet, traveling faster as I'm expanding till...nothing.
Imploding: The inverse of expanding...getting smaller as my speed increases down to a speck till....nothing.
Very strange out of body detached illusions? Anyone else have this happen to them?
 

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I am water, a flowing stream, forever flowing, forever thinking. Now and then a leaf may fall, slight ripples created, yet I always revert to my true nature, flowing carelessly onwards.
 
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I am a reptile observing the mammalian interactions and social rituals from the periphary across a chasm of incomprehension. I become paranoid that my movements and facial expressions/gaze are betraying my cold-bloodedness. Have they spotted me or has my camouflage fooled them? :eek:

Edit: but sometimes i wonder if perhaps i am the mammal...
 

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I know all about phantom pain.. But can you have a phantom orgasm post dick chopping?
 

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What's the point of life when all you are is stuck inside of your own reality? Observing it, only to be pushed back inside yourself by the oppressive bloodsuckers of society. Nothing but cheapskates, con artists, and shallow rejects walk this earth. There's no real happiness, only more failure and misery paving the long road to death.
 

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I have more of a ''not belonging'' feeling with other people. I like to watch and observe people and their behaviors, like they're some wild animals...always wondering why they do what they do, as well as always calling them 'human' as if I'm not one myself, that's how distant I am from everyone and everything around me.
 

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I have the same insight Xerxes had when he saw his army and he realized in 100 years every man in his sight would be dead.

I like to watch people around with this thought in mind. It's like watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-5Ts_i164c
 

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A lot of the time I feel like I'm looking through a one way window. I can see everything that's going on around me but I'm not part of it and no one can see me.
 

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I have as long as I can remember had the distinct feeling that this is not my world, but can't remember where I came from or how to get back, or if i am suposed to get back. until i figure that out, I am a mind locked in this human body, trying to understand the world around me, and observing the world within me, and the thought processes involved.
 
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