How to stop being a fattie fat fat?

[CallumD]

Hey,

I come to you with a question, I'll try and explain it briefly.

How do I stop being a fattie fat fat?

I have had a problem with weight for half of my life. I have overcome a lot, and I'm still trying to overcome some problems. However one of my major problems in my life is being overweight, well at this point BMI says I am obese.

I try to think logically about food, it is just transport and energy. When I eat though, I want to eat more. I have cravings for food and it is probably the peak of the illogical thoughts I have had when I try to not eat so much.

I expect answers like: Consume less calories than you burn per day.

I have a problem though, hard to admit but I genuinely have a problem regarding weight and food consumption. I want to fix this problem for several reasons, physical attractiveness - Girls, health - Longevity etc.

I have tried a lot of things. I guess I am just looking for typical answers, but ideally a unique perspective from people who think like me.

That is probably where the problem stems from, thinking too much... Way too much about this issue, how to overcome it and when I am trying to overcome it I think a lot about it, and eventually give in because I usually find a logical reason to eat more.

Thank you, any replies are appreciated.

 

[Hadoblado]

Want something that is mutually exclusive with food, more than you want food.

 

[redbaron]

I think to give an answer that will actually help you specifically, you'd have to give a bit of an idea about your typical diet.

Do you drink tea/coffee with sugar each day?
Do you eat a lot of refined carbs (bread/rice/pasta)?
Do you snack/what do you snack on?

Typical answer:
- drink only water (includes sugarless tea)
- cut down on your refined carb intake by at least half, substitute with green vegetables
- don't snack on junk. Sound obvious but it seems that a lot of people don't realize how often they do it and how bad the things they snack on are.

 

[Hadoblado]

sssshhhhh RB I'm trying to be guru aloof

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

Do you consider yourself a foodie? Someone who appreciates the quality, tastes and textures of food? Do you appreciate the art of food preparation even if you lack the skill or confidence to do it yourself?

Or

Do you sometimes minlessly eat an entire bad of chips while trying to focus on something else? Will anything that you like the taste of well enough do? Do you find yourself purchasing premade foods most often?

btw, I'm 6'3" 260lbs.

 

[nanook]

combine the understanding of overweight of the gabriel method with the understanding of human health as communicated around the 801010 world.

the gabriel method teaches
that calory restriction makes fat, because it's traumatic famine, and fat is preparation for frequent famines.

that the body decides how fat it wants to be, based on sophisticated intelligence. the decision is what i call set point.

that various forms of stresses are what programs this intelligence

that various foods are stressing the body in the wrong way (causing it to want to be fat)

(it correctly realizes that foods ought to be live foods, that means for example fruits and raw vegetables)

that absence of certain foods can stress the body in the wrong way ('')

that psychosocial anxieties and attachments exist as such hormonal stresses ('')

that eating behaviors and activity behaviors cause different forms of stress


(some people experience a type of psychological stress, that keeps their setpoint super low, regardless of what crap they eat, they are fighting to survive, running away from wild animals, while fat people are hiding from social threads, abandonment into exile, etc)


so, to reprogram the body, the setpoint, a lot of things have to be changed, it requires total dedication but also patience, because it's in part a very intuitive or instinctive process, you can't push it forward, by being too obsessed about it.


the gabriel method teaches that to loose weight means to reduce appetite, because as your body is willing to burn fat, it gets energy from fat, hence it requires less food. likewise, when the body is not willing to burn fat, it will create hunger. . it may still burn fat if forced, but that fat will come back, eventually the hunger will win, because the body wants it. if the setpoint drops, your appetite drops. you must learn to stay 100% true to your appetite. it will be huge on some days and low on others. the body is alive and moody.

so never allow for painful hunger. however, one expression of low appetite can be high tolerance for low degree hunger. there are different kinds of hunger. if you genuinly feel like playing ball is more interesting that going for a snack, than it is okay to do that for a period of time.


the gabriel method is wrong about some details:

it suggests you need omega 3 from fish or protein from things like cooked eggs. that's nonsense and john gabriel is almost admitting it. he says, he is becoming more and more convinced, that raw foods are the best foods.

you do need some omega 3 from flax seed, but you also must reduce omega 6 from all the other oils.

the 801010 + starch solution low fat vegan world teaches you correctly:

that fat makes fat. (actually it makes you fat faster, but doesn't always make you more fat, because setpoint is the king ruler and eating fat is just one voice for being fat, in the democracy)

that processed foods (flour, oil) make you fat. empty calories.

that animal products kill and processed vegetable oils are also toxic to the brain and body and insulin sensitivity.

that no high amounts of protein are needed for physical strenght. muscles run on glycogen, if the body has enough glycogen to afford the presence of muscles, it will grow muscles. muscles grow slow, protein from plants is more than enough. the body is recycling protein, little protein is ever lost, no need to refill like crazy.


that carbs do not make fat, but that the presence of fat in the blood is the cause for broken insulin sensitivity, which is why some people believe in the low carb paradigm, when they break insulin functionality by eating tons of fat, they would normally gain weight, but won't gain weight as quickly, if they manage to eat virtually no carbs. however, if their setpoint is higher than their current weight, they will have enough appetite to gain weight anyway. please pay attention to how most low carb gurus are fat. take advice from people who a) used to be really fat for several years b) became lean and stayed lean for several years. 3) who are not public gurus, because those fuckers use drugs to achieve results. keep in mind, that marco ratios are just one voice in the democracy of setpoint, but a major factor in general health. the body lives on glycogen and ages on fat.


this vegan low fat paradigm is wrong in the following claims

1) thea say carbohydrates do under no circumstance make fat. wrong. if the setpoint is high, everything makes fat, empty calories or various forms of stress can cause the set point to be high. people with low set point (like infamous durian rider) are no logical evidence of the idea, that carbs don't make fat.

eat a high carb low fat vegan diet, try to make it mostly raw, mostly fruit and vegetables and greens, but do not follow the advice from lean people, do not overeat like crazy, to communicate abundance to your body, it does not work like that, pay exact attention to your appetite, eat huge meals if you feel like, but eat tiny meals if you feel like, eat constantly if you feel like it, eat rarely if you feel like it, learn to become one with your body, it's one key to minimizing stress. make sure though you get acquainted with the feeling of having filled glycogen storage. you must be abel to tell the difference between being fully alive and being in fasting mode, where appetite is suspended because the body is depressed. it requires practice.


i have probably forgotten a number of important things, but i can come back later.

hope you do not waste many years, following stupid ideas.

loosing weight in the only permanent way is already something that takes years (if it's a lot of weight anyhow), but doing it wrong can turn it into a matter of needing more reincarnations

 

[CallumD]

Thanks for the replies fellas.

Want something that is mutually exclusive with food, more than you want food.

sssshhhhh RB I'm trying to be guru aloof

That's difficult, any suggestions?

I think to give an answer that will actually help you specifically, you'd have to give a bit of an idea about your typical diet.

Do you drink tea/coffee with sugar each day?
Do you eat a lot of refined carbs (bread/rice/pasta)?
Do you snack/what do you snack on?

Typical answer:
- drink only water (includes sugarless tea)
- cut down on your refined carb intake by at least half, substitute with green vegetables
- don't snack on junk. Sound obvious but it seems that a lot of people don't realize how often they do it and how bad the things they snack on are.

My diet is fairly eratic, It could be carb filled or protein filled days. There is no real balance.

I don't drink tea or coffee regularly.
My diet is fairly eratic, as I said so I could be eating a lot of refined carbs. I'd say that is the primary part of my 'diet'.
I don't necessarily snack, not slowly. It is sort of, if there is something in front of me... Eat it.

Do you consider yourself a foodie? Someone who appreciates the quality, tastes and textures of food? Do you appreciate the art of food preparation even if you lack the skill or confidence to do it yourself?

Or

Do you sometimes minlessly eat an entire bad of chips while trying to focus on something else? Will anything that you like the taste of well enough do? Do you find yourself purchasing premade foods most often?

btw, I'm 6'3" 260lbs.

I appreciate the quality etc. of food, and I am a fairly good cook. However If there is nothing else to eat I would probably eat bread by itself.

I sometimes mindlessly eat an entire bag of chips. I wouldn't say I am trying to focus on something else, I usually have something to do but can't bring myself to do it so I focus on eating food. I purchase premade foods most of the time, whether it be take-away, frozen meals etc.

combine the understanding of overweight of the gabriel method with the understanding of human health as communicated around the 801010 world.

the gabriel method teaches
that calory restriction makes fat, because it's traumatic famine, and fat is preparation for frequent famines.

that the body decides how fat it wants to be, based on sophisticated intelligence. the decision is what i call set point.

that various forms of stresses are what programs this intelligence

that various foods are stressing the body in the wrong way (causing it to want to be fat)

(it correctly realizes that foods ought to be live foods, that means for example fruits and raw vegetables)

that absence of certain foods can stress the body in the wrong way ('')

that psychosocial anxieties and attachments exist as such hormonal stresses ('')

that eating behaviors and activity behaviors cause different forms of stress


so, to reprogram the body, the setpoint, a lot of things have to be changed, it requires total dedication but also patience, because it's in part a very intuitive or instinctive process, you can't push it forward, by being too obsessed about it.


the gabriel method teaches that to loose weight means to reduce appetite, because as your body is willing to burn fat, it gets energy from fat, hence it requires less food. likewise, when the body is not willing to burn fat, it will create hunger. . it may still burn fat if forced, but that fat will come back, eventually the hunger will win, because the body wants it. if the setpoint drops, your appetite drops. you must learn to stay 100% true to your appetite. it will be huge on some days and low on others. the body is alive and moody.

so never allow for painful hunger. however, one expression of low appetite can be high tolerance for low degree hunger. there are different kinds of hunger. if you genuinly feel like playing ball is more interesting that going for a snack, than it is okay to do that for a period of time.


the gabriel method is wrong about some details:

it suggests you need omega 3 from fish or protein from things like cooked eggs. that's nonsense and john gabriel is almost admitting it. he says, he is becoming more and more convinced, that raw foods are the best foods.

you do need some omega 3 from flax seed, but you also must reduce omega 6 from all the other oils.

the 801010 + starch solution low fat vegan world teaches you correctly:

that fat makes fat. (actually it makes you fat faster, but doesn't always make you more fat, because setpoint is the king ruler and eating fat is just one voice for being fat, in the democracy)

that processed foods (flour, oil) make you fat. empty calories.

that animal products kill and processed vegetable oils are also toxic to the brain and body and insulin sensitivity.

that no high amounts of protein are needed for physical strenght. muscles run on glycogen, if the body has enough glycogen to afford the presence of muscles, it will grow muscles. muscles grow slow, protein from plants is more than enough. the body is recycling protein, little protein is ever lost, no need to refill like crazy.


that carbs do not make fat, but that the presence of fat in the blood is the cause for broken insulin sensitivity, which is why some people believe in the low carb paradigm, when they break insulin functionality by eating tons of fat, they would normally gain weight, but won't gain weight as quickly, if they manage to eat virtually no carbs. however, if their setpoint is higher than their current weight, they will have enough appetite to gain weight anyway. please pay attention to how most low carb gurus are fat. take advice from people who a) used to be really fat for several years b) became lean and stayed lean for several years. 3) who are not public gurus, because those fuckers use drugs to achieve results. keep in mind, that marco ratios are just one voice in the democracy of setpoint, but a major factor in general health. the body lives on glycogen and ages on fat.


this vegan low fat paradigm is wrong in the following claims

1) thea say carbohydrates do under no circumstance make fat. wrong. if the setpoint is high, everything makes fat, empty calories or various forms of stress can cause the set point to be high. people with low set point (like infamous durian rider) are no logical evidence of the idea, that carbs don't make fat.

eat a high carb low fat vegan diet, try to make it mostly raw, mostly fruit and vegetables and greens, but do not follow the advice from lean people, do not overeat like crazy, to communicate abundance to your body, it does not work like that, pay exact attention to your appetite, eat huge meals if you feel like, but eat tiny meals if you feel like, eat constantly if you feel like it, eat rarely if you feel like it, learn to become one with your body, it's one key to minimizing stress. make sure though you get acquainted with the feeling of having filled glycogen storage. you must be abel to tell the difference between being fully alive and being in fasting mode, where appetite is suspended because the body is depressed. it requires practice.


i have probably forgotten a number of important things, but i can come back later.

hope you do not waste many years, following stupid ideas.

loosing weight in the only permanent way is already something that takes years (if it's a lot of weight anyhow), but doing it wrong can turn it into a matter of needing more reincarnations

I like to acknowledge these things that you have written, statements like this usually provide more motivation than any other.

I do understand it is a lifestyle choice, however my life is fairly erratic due to being a weirdo (mental disorders, bipolar, depression) and I'm not hiding behind labels... I'm just saying, I am pretty shit at this. The longest I have dedicated myself to losing weight is one week of eating healthy and regular exercise.

It was my understanding that carbs are probably the worst macro-nutrient.

Thank you for the reply, I'll look into the method.

 

[nanook]

100% understanding is the only thing that could ever motivate me to do anything with consistency. eating differently is impossible to me now, it would be like drinking battery acid or jumping out of a window. the best thing is, that this understanding of health is not limited to theory, because sensation becomes much more sensitive and educated over time. the addictions to the fake stimuly of false food get lost. and i could eat a pizza or a doner kebab but it would make me sick immediately, so i would regret it. people have developed tolerance to toxic foods, from daily usage. their system is constantly fighting the attacks. they are numbed down. peeling and eating bananas is not a lot of work, a healthy diet is almost the laziest diet. i was on a low carb diet for two years, i understand the flaws of it physically and theoretically. please don't fall for this horrible nonsense.

realistically speaking: you CAN NOT change your diet from eating crap to pure health over night. you don't have to. gabriel method recommends throwing more and more healthy foods on top of whatever crap you are attached to. you will learn from experience. 1kg of strawberries makes you feel good, 1kg of lasange kills you.

however there will be some false experience, for instance some things can't be digested well together, so you may unfairly judge the better food, because you add it later.

to avoid this problem, i would recommend, have one or two perfect days in a week, energy from fruit, maybe some raw vegetables (carrots, cucumber, tomato, lettuce) for fun, just so you know what a clean body full of natural vitamin c feels like. for the rest of the week, add good things to whatever crap you are still attached to. you will grow tired of your attachments.

 

[QuickTwist]

Some people know this stuff a lot better than I do as seen in the advice you got. One trick is to not allow yourself to overindulge in your pleasures. People who have a very active pleasure center of their brain have a lot more trouble doing this than someone who has learned from the beginning not to overindulge and has learned delayed gratification. My advice -which could backfire if you are not fully committed about losing weight is to try and stretch out the amount of time before you feel like you have to eat something by just a little bit. The idea behind this is to let your body adapt to the change of not eating whatever and whenever you want there by building up a tolerance for not eating. This has worked for me but I was forced to do this method since I was a wrestler in high school and had to cut 5 lbs. a week when I weighed 108. I am currently on some pretty powerful meds that generally cause a pretty big weight gain but have managed to stay within the normal range. I am 5'4" and weigh about 125-130 many years after high school being on these meds. I "should be" 50 lbs. heavier because of the meds.

Exercise helps a lot too and it is the same concept in reverse. Just do a little exercise -just enough to be aware that you are doing something. Maybe start with just going on a 15 min walk or something. Prepare your mind before hand what you will do and then allow it to run its course. Once you think you can handle more make a small step in the right direction. Remember that muscle can grow rather fast when you are eating a lot and working your muscles to the point of exhaustion. One big no no to this is to think about having to do this X amount of times or thinking about how much time and energy it will take. Feel it out. Only you know what your body can handle at this point.

Some other advice is to just think about using your muscles. when you have to open a door or something think about using your muscles to open the door not your weight. Think of it like trying to be athletic in everything you do.

I don't know if this will help you but I am giving it my best shot.

 

[OrLevitate]

to me it seems obvious the problem is not figuring out what actions must be taken to no longer be a fattie fat fat, but to enact them.in my opinion, the most potent form of strength of will comes from you, solely you. I think by not accepting the hardship and looking to others for a magical answer is the reason the whole get skinny industry flourishes, and that you dilute your willpower at the same time, indefinitely, especially if this behavior is positively reinforced.

Try to solve a complex problem for a few days, then look back at your weight problem and the new context of a higher boundary of complexity will give you a firm grasp on what the actual reason you're still a fattie fat fat is.

You are your inner monologue, what you tell yourself the most is what you see yourself as, eventually (months, years) this is how people build character unwittingly or not. As long as you're losing weight, it seems permissible to see yourself as the thing you're going to become, a fit person. I imagine you would probably be devastatingly hindered with each social interaction in regards to sustaining a fit, healthy self image, and that frustration is the source of your desire to aspire to be on fireworking out to not be a tire, to constantly be reminded is to keep your mind from deluding you as it would a liar.

 

[CallumD]

100% understanding is the only thing that could ever motivate me to do anything with consistency. eating differently is impossible to me now, it would be like drinking battery acid or jumping out of a window. the best thing is, that this understanding of health is not limited to theory, because sensation becomes much more sensitive and educated over time. the addictions to the fake stimuly of false food get lost. and i could eat a pizza or a doner kebab but it would make me sick immediately, so i would regret it. people have developed tolerance to toxic foods, from daily usage. their system is constantly fighting the attacks. they are numbed down. peeling and eating bananas is not a lot of work, a healthy diet is almost the laziest diet. i was on a low carb diet for two years, i understand the flaws of it physically and theoretically. please don't fall for this horrible nonsense.

realistically speaking: you CAN NOT change your diet from eating crap to pure health over night. you don't have to. gabriel method recommends throwing more and more healthy foods on top of whatever crap you are attached to. you will learn from experience. 1kg of strawberries makes you feel good, 1kg of lasange kills you. however there will be some false experience, for instance some things can't be digested well together, so you may judge the better food.

It seems to make a lot of sense, I looked into it and like most 'diets' even though this is 'not a diet' it is very familiar, except the unique approach which may be enough to get myself into a proper mindset of eating well. I looked at the video and reading chapter one of the book. It is interesting and feels like more than just a fad diet. Thank you.

Some people know this stuff a lot better than I do as seen in the advice you got. One trick is to not allow yourself to overindulge in your pleasures. People who have a very active pleasure center of their brain have a lot more trouble doing this than someone who has learned from the beginning not to overindulge and has learned delayed gratification. My advice -which could backfire if you are not fully committed about losing weight is to try and stretch out the amount of time before you feel like you have to eat something by just a little bit. The idea behind this is to let your body adapt to the change of not eating whatever and whenever you want there by building up a tolerance for not eating. This has worked for me but I was forced to do this method since I was a wrestler in high school and had to cut 5 lbs. a week when I weighed 108. I am currently on some pretty powerful meds that generally cause a pretty big weight gain but have managed to stay within the normal range. I am 5'4" and weigh about 125-130 many years after high school being on these meds. I "should be" 50 lbs. heavier because of the meds.

Exercise helps a lot too and it is the same concept in reverse. Just do a little exercise -just enough to be aware that you are doing something. Maybe start with just going on a 15 min walk or something. Prepare your mind before hand what you will do and then allow it to run its course. Once you think you can handle more make a small step in the right direction. Remember that muscle can grow rather fast when you are eating a lot and working your muscles to the point of exhaustion. One big no no to this is to think about having to do this X amount of times or thinking about how much time and energy it will take. Feel it out. Only you know what your body can handle at this point.

Some other advice is to just think about using your muscles. when you have to open a door or something think about using your muscles to open the door not your weight. Think of it like trying to be athletic in everything you do.

I don't know if this will help you but I am giving it my best shot.

That's very interesting and I admire you for maintaining your weight, do you mind if I ask what meds you're taking? Don't answer if you don't want to. Just want to know if we're drug-buddies.

I exercise fairly regularly by obligation, walking everywhere etc and I used to play sport. However I think I have sort of allowed myself to do and eat whatever I want after I have exercised enough.
Your best shot is more than I can ask for man, the thought that you're here answering a question to try and help someone (and succeeding) is humbling, that goes for everyone else too, thank you.

 

[CallumD]

to me it seems obvious the problem is not figuring out what actions must be taken to no longer be a fattie fat fat, but to enact them.in my opinion, the most potent form of strength of will comes from you, solely you. I think by not accepting the hardship and looking to others for a magical answer is the reason the whole get skinny industry flourishes, and that you dilute your willpower at the same time, indefinitely, especially if this behavior is positively reinforced.

Try to solve a complex problem for a few days, then look back at your weight problem and the new context of a higher boundary of complexity will give you a firm grasp on what the actual reason you're still a fattie fat fat is.

You are your inner monologue, what you tell yourself the most is what you see yourself as, eventually (months, years) this is how people build character unwittingly or not. As long as you're losing weight, it seems permissible to see yourself as the thing you're going to become, a fit person. I imagine you would probably be devastatingly hindered with each social interaction in regards to sustaining a fit, healthy self image, and that frustration is the source of your desire to aspire to be on fireworking out to not be a tire, to constantly be reminded is to keep your mind from deluding you as it would a liar.

Thank you for the continuing source of motivation.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

When I eat though, I want to eat more. I have cravings for food and it is probably the peak of the illogical thoughts I have had when I try to not eat so much.

Fill your belly with low fat, low calory food.
Vegetables, find a local vegetarian initiative, and they will hook you up with everything you need to come up with delicious alternatives to your diet.

That's step one.

Step two is to get regular exercise.
If you think you don't have the self-will to put yourself to this,
find someone who will force you (kindly) to make ends meet.

 

[QuickTwist]

I don't think we're drug buddies. The stuff I am on are anti-psychotics and sleep meds -though I don't need those anymore. Bipolar is a very different animal. I might push you and have you think about doing heavy physical work when you are manic. With all that energy and motivation it is the perfect time to do some strenuous physical labor until you can't take it anymore. This also might just keep you from getting into a bad depression as well after the mania wears off.

 

[nanook]

take advice from people who a) used to be really fat for several years b) became lean and stayed lean for several years. 3) who are not public gurus, because those fuckers use drugs to achieve results. keep in mind, that marco ratios are just one voice in the democracy of setpoint, but a major factor in general health. the body lives on glycogen and ages on fat.

i think andrew perlot is one of the few good examples for true fattie fat fats.

his understanding is broad, holistic, moderate. perhaps slightly too mechanistic.

he does have a concern for lifestyle, but afaik never goes into analysis of specific attachments that are in the way of freedom.

for instance i found that my way of suppressing the kind of anger, that makes you step up for your own needs, is probably a key reason for my body, to be prepared (fat) for that famine, that may happen for me any time other people stop supporting me. everyone is financially dependent on support from others, but what matters is the movie in your head. some people just feel like they are in control. like "well if my customers don't want to buy my product, i will just find something else to sell, no biggy. i need to be lean, so i can run fast and find much other things to sell". it's subjective but objective, because your behavior is real. you body knows that you won't run and fight in a crisis, that you would rather hide and wait for better times.

anyhow, knowing about this problem isn't fixing it, but allows for the intuition of some sort of opposite. i just kinda visualize that i will manage to get my hands on food, no matter what. i know how to steal, if need be. me first, bitches. it's just food. but i don't visualize actually having to steal, because that's only increasing the fear.

psychology is a difficult game. what if the believe in a possible psychological cause of overweight is making psychology into a cause of overweight? the human condition is such a fucking trixter.

 

[JimJambones]

Remember that gaining weight is usually a slow process and losing weight should be a slow process as well. Your current weight is the results of your current caloric intake over an extended period of time. So, just eat slightly less than you normally would to for a long period of time and if you don't lose weight after a couple of months, then eat slightly less than that. If you do this and lose weight it should stabilize and you'll stop losing weight. Then repeat decreasing your calorie intake a little at a time until you arrive at the desired weight. Keep in mind to have a realistic goal in mind that takes into account your bone structure. Good luck. It's a difficult thing to do. It's essentially mind over matter.

 

[Hadoblado]

I have the opposite problem. I'm unable to care about food enough to prepare it until I'm starving. I then binge really hard. This usually makes me eat once a day, though I'll have the equivalent of two meals at once.

Fortunately, I don't lose too much weight because I lose little energy to activity. I am the glowing exemplar of health.

I think I'd prefer your problem.

 

[QuickTwist]

the human condition is such a fucking trixter.

All too true man.

Another way to lose weight is to snack very frequently, and I mean like once every hour or two, in very low quantities. I hand full of peanuts hear a banana there. Its got to be healthy though. If all your doing is snacking on potato chips and candy bars you may lose weight but you will still be unhealthy with all those bad calories. Its funny that this is the opposite of the first method I told you but both work. The latter strategy usually comes much later and is harder to implement if you already have an eating disorder and are in love with those terribad foods that taste just too good to put down.

 

[xavieronassis]

Hey,

I come to you with a question, I'll try and explain it briefly.

How do I stop being a fattie fat fat?

<snip>

I can vouch for the Gabriel Method, or at least his main message, which - as nanook mentioned - is adding healthy stuff to what you already eat. I discovered his program after already dropping my extra weight.
I was doing exactly what he recommended for several weeks when I noticed my pants were a bit looser than before. I wasn't weighing in then, just trying to eat right, and stepping on the scale discovered I'd lost 10 lbs.
I found it easy to continue in this way, still eating things like pizza and having a beer on occasion and in the end, a little over a year later, I had lost 65 lbs.

I've had a lifelong struggle with my weight and am still amazed that after all the "diets" I've tried and failed at over the years, I finally loose weight when I was not trying to lose, but only trying to improve my eating habits.

 

[Jason Smith]

Control your diet and do proper exercise to stop the weight gain and being fattie fat.
I eat more raw foods specially raw vegetables, fresh fruits, and fresh fruits juices etc. along with the regular cardio exercise to control my weight and fat percentage in my body.

 

[littleanubis]

You've mentioned bipolar and depression. Are you on medicine that makes you gain weight? I know a few people with depression and bipolar. When they are feeling depressed they tend to snack on lots of carbs or have bouts of emotional eating and not be aware of the emotional eating.

One option is to stop keeping around unhealthy food, or at least stay in a room far from the kitchen and avoid the kitchen unless it is meal time.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Count calories and don't go shopping hungry. If you can't count calories in your head use a notebook. Then try to walk a bit more.

Alternatively research ketosis and speed-drop weight, but then you'll have to work harder to keep it off and you'll lose more lean muscle-mass

 

[TheManBeyond]

I started gym last week and i'm trying to consume a bit more of calories, i did some calculus and normally they are around 1500 per day which is pretty little for 68.5 kgs and 1.78cm of height. The worst part is to avoid nutella.
You know i wanna get the brad pitt's body in troya.
Also, do some cardio every day, i normally do around 20 minutes + muscle exercises in machines and stuff + abs.
I really want to get to 6 months to see how much i have improved, damn.
Shit is to stop eating so much.
EDIT: BTW in two days i've lost 1kg already.

 

[EthanGQ]

Go to YouTube and look up the Paleo diet in a nutshell. I haven't been following it very long, therefore I don't necessarily have too many results to speak of as of yet. However, it makes a lot of sense and it's very logical. Aside from that, lift weights! Muscle burns fat and lasts the test of time.

 

[DaDaMan]

If your obesity is a product of your lifestyle (way of being - all the dimensions that make you you) which includes everything from the way you perceive yourself, your attitude, your diet, your habits etc. I have gone through several different phases in my life. One of my goals over the past 2 years has been to improve my physical health and become more athletic and lean. I then went about creating the circumstances and lifestyle that would cause me to adapt in such a way that I would become more athletic and lean. So, in summary, it started with identifying a few specific goals and then reprogramming myself and my identify and creating the environment and triggers that would result in those goals. I created a few new routines in my life such as going to rock climbing, running, soccer, squash etc. then over time I refined it further to achieve more specific results. I tried to make this process as effortless and natural as possible for myself by incorporating things I liked such as soccer and squash instead of gymming\weight lifting which I loathe.

If you want to achieve any significant long term changes then you will need to make significant and fundamental changes. You need to "become" that which you desire. You need to remold you.

Put simply, you are a result of adaptation. There is that part of you that is a product of nature and that which is a product if nurture. The nurturing molds the nature. So, essentially, in the infamous words of Hannibal Lecter, " First principles, Clarice. Simplicity. Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek?"

What is your nature? What is it in your nature that makes you fat?

 

[The Gopher]

EDIT: BTW in two days i've lost 1kg already.

See I was wondering if it was just me but my weight seems to fluctuate about 4kg from day to day. I'm not overweight but noticing that you can track a 1kg change made me wonder how that's possible.

 

[nexion]

Do you consider yourself a foodie? Someone who appreciates the quality, tastes and textures of food? Do you appreciate the art of food preparation even if you lack the skill or confidence to do it yourself?

Or

Do you sometimes minlessly eat an entire bad of chips while trying to focus on something else? Will anything that you like the taste of well enough do? Do you find yourself purchasing premade foods most often?

btw, I'm 6'3" 260lbs.

But what if BOTH of these things are true?!

 

[scorpiomover]

I ALSO recommend adding fruits and veggies to your diet:
1) Add fruits to your sugary snacks like ice cream.
2) Add veggies to everything else, carbs-heavy snacks like pretzels and cookies, and protein-heavy meals like steak.

HOWEVER, my extra advice, is to EAT THE VEGGIES FIRST!

Weird thing:

1) If I eat a bowl of pasta with salad mixed in, I'll eat the lot, and still be hungry.

2) If I eat a bowl of pasta and then eat the salad, I'll eat the lot, and feel full after.

3) If I eat the salad and then start eating the pasta, I'll get about half-way through and have to stop. I don't full bloated. I feel relaxed. I just can't eat any more.

I think it stops me from over-eating. Even now, I was munching away on lots of pretzels. One pepper, and I've only had about 5 since. Reckon I'm gonna have me another pepper.

 

[nanook]

i have learned something new. weight loss is impossible. eat less now, gain more weight long term. eat more now (after dieting your half life), gain more weight instantly. eat more carbs, gain more weight at a fast pace. eat more fat, gain more weight at interstellar pace. eat more protein, gain more weight casually. eat less fat, convert more carbs to fat. eat less carbs, store more of ingested fat.

this is adaption to perceived famines.

if you find out how to reset your genetic memory: let me know. i guess there are some illegal drugs.

many claim that consistently eating all you care for will eventually make your body forget about famines. but no one knows how long it will take. it takes several years for sure.

meanwhile eating the most satiating plant based carb based meals is the best strategy. without restricting calories. maybe chew your fruit instead of drinking it as smoothie. have brown rice, mixed with lentils or beans and various vegetables and lettuce.

people may be different genetically, most overweight people will have to eat slow (fiber rich whole plant foods) carbs, few - those with a less severe weight problem - may do okay with faster carbs (smoothies, dried fruit, perhaps even pasta).

exercise daily, for moments at least, practice explosive effort, to motivate efficient energy utilisation in muscles (increase ATP mass, which was lost during caloric restriction).


what made me fat in the first place: in my childhood, my parents would deny me the foods that i wanted to eat. i was hungry all of the time, binging when i got my hands on what i liked. my diet lacked in diversity and in real food (whole food, plant based).

what is keeping me fat until today: 1) almost 20 years of attempting to reduce my caloric intake to correct the overweight that was caused by my upbringing. 2) low social status, financial insecurity, still dependent on authorities. food supply could be interrupted any time.

another relevant video.

 

[Quantumbear]

Understanding from a biochemical standpoint shall give you some great answers and places to look. 95% chance you are leptin resistant meaning your neurons in your brain in the hypothalamus are not receiving the signal that you have adequate leptin aka fat stores. So it will continue to want to store fat, until it receives the signal properly. The signal can be disrupted by improper omega 3-6-9 ratios, heavy carbohydrate intake, toxin intake, stress levels, not enough good saturated fat intake, sleep irregularities, and some other factors.

I suggest you research further into leptin resistance for a greater understanding on how to overcome the most additive thing on the planet... sugar.

 

[ApostateAbe]

Quantumbear, welcome to the forum.

CallumD, I am becoming a little overweight, and I am trying a new method. Here is my spiel:

We all know how to eat right. We have that knowledge in our brains. And many of us WANT to eat right. But many of us still do not eat right, because the temptation is always there, and it is the gradual accumulation of dubious diet choices that causes the average American to become as fat as the average American. A little extra cream in our coffee, a half a pastry at work, then the other half, an extra beer after work, a few M&Ms, a few more M&Ms, and it adds up. I have become as fat as an average American--holy shit! I will end this ASAP, and I have a plan. The plan is to add accountability.

(1) I will take a picture of any food or drink that I plan to shove down my pie-hole, and I will upload the pic to the comments of this post. I will do this for breakfast, lunch, dinner and snacks. This will apply to EVERYTHING I eat or drink, except water.
(2) Every night before sleeping, I will tell you how I exercised or how I didn't exercise.
(3) Every Saturday night, I will post a pic of me without a shirt.

And, if you would like to help, then you will hold me accountable. You will call me out when you suspect that I cheated and skipped a post. You will rhetorically kick my ass if I lose motivation. You will ridicule my shitty diet choices. You will overestimate the Calories and present it as a fair estimate. You will suggest alternative foods. And, you will give me positive reinforcement when I do it right. You will make sure I follow these rules even when I am on a holiday vacation (God help me!). And I will stop only when I no longer have a fat face--and maybe not even then.

I dub this "The Facebook Diet." It is inspired by my Facebook friends who post pictures of everything they eat but without an obvious purpose.​

I have been doing this for two weeks now. The problem is that not a lot of people are paying attention. I posted a pic of six ice cream bars, and I claimed I would have them for dessert; that post got one like, and I had no objections from anyone. I would be willing to collaborate with you, so we can always review each other's food, criticize it, and keep each other accountable. I will call you a fat fucker every day and tell you that you can do better, if you will do the same for me. Send me a friend request.

http://tinyurl.com/p8sr6wc

 

[6125]

Eat for nutritional density within a "paleo" framework. Eat all parts of the animal. Herbs, spices, mushrooms, etc etc. You are probably starving for nutrients and consume insulin boosting foods. http://perfecthealthdiet.com/ http://robbwolf.com/ Do high intensity physical activities (preferably outside absorbing sunlight) you enjoy (i never found gyms to be sustainable).

Throw out all the garbage in your house right now. If there are no temptations around that vacuum will naturally be filled with the good stuff. Oh and veggies are totally overrated vs meat. http://chriskresser.com/natures-most-potent-superfood

FAT DOES NOT MAKE YOU FAT. There is a reason saturated fats taste good.

 

[Minuend]

xD why did they choose apples and carrots specifically?

Beef liver is quite a good source for various vitamins and what not, but comparing it to apples which are the junk food of greens and then randomly carrots?

It would be more interesting if they listed greens that are more diverse and rich in contains.

 

[Pfness]

Stop eating all foods with dairy, wheat/wheat products, sugar. Walk 1-2 miles a day, report back in 2 months.

 

[Quantumbear]

Couldnt say it any better myself...

Eat for nutritional density within a "paleo" framework. Eat all parts of the animal. Herbs, spices, mushrooms, etc etc. You are probably starving for nutrients and consume insulin boosting foods. http://perfecthealthdiet.com/ http://robbwolf.com/ Do high intensity physical activities (preferably outside absorbing sunlight) you enjoy (i never found gyms to be sustainable).

Throw out all the garbage in your house right now. If there are no temptations around that vacuum will naturally be filled with the good stuff. Oh and veggies are totally overrated vs meat. http://chriskresser.com/natures-most-potent-superfood

FAT DOES NOT MAKE YOU FAT. There is a reason saturated fats taste good.

 

[OrLevitate]

amor fati fat fat.

"Zarathustra teaches that all the seemingly antiethical values, such as good and evil, pleasure and pain, are in each case, two sides of the same coin. all originate in the human being, the value-creator. and each such value depnds upon, and only has meaning when compared to, its so-called opposite value. Furthermore, our capacity to understand or experience one is intensified and deepened by our understanding or experience of the other. These facts express some of the "necessary characteristics of things" that Nietzsche wishes to regard as "beautiful." If this insight is combined with the idea of eternal recurrence, where "the ugly" means all the misery and sorrows of human existence, both in the present and in the past, then amor fati appears as the ultimate challenge of overcoming."

Were I the all-encompassing white light, I would have no opposite color from which to create value. You have an opportunity, a purpose, predicated on your most prevalent negative feels. Make haste, to your glory, for Rome.

Oh you're just asking how to do it, not why? Idk, run around.

 

[idokaiho]

OP still reading?

My advice is simple and it is something I do/have done in other areas. Start slow with specified goals like, "I won't drink soda for one day." Wherever you are at, progressively make goals to follow. Don't think about how long it's going to take, just focus on your short-term goals, they are all that matter. Every time you complete a goal you're getting a win and motivation to keep going.

Before I started doing this process for exercising I had been living an exceedingly sedentary lifestyle for more years than I can even remember. My starting goal was to exercise for 5 minutes per day for one week. I was so out of shape that 5 minutes of exercising was like a death sentence. I very slowly started adding minutes to my goals and now exercising is a valued and pleasurable part of my day (endorphins are amazing!).

I have also done this for my diet but I won't comment on what you should or shouldn't eat because it is very controversial. I think that I am pretty eating healthy now but I know I could be eating healthier. I recommend doing your own research and determining that for yourself.

You can succeed, and I hope that you do.

 

[Nenad]

Actually, a big problem is that a lot of information about weight loss is extremely wrong.

I am going to go against what most people have recommended in this thread, and recommend a low carb, high fat diet. I have personally managed to lose 18kgs over a period of 6 months by following it.

Like the name describes, the idea is to eat a lot of saturated fats, while reducing (or eliminating) carbohydrates as much as possible.

Here is a good overview: http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf

(I just noticed that somebody recommended paleo upthread. There is a lot of overlap between paleo and LCHF).

Exercise-wise... If you do change your diet, you will get a corresponding increase in energy, so when that happens, you will find it easier to exercise. Exercise, while it does have a ton of benefits, actually has very little to do with weight loss.